Zed?

Wow! Welcome to the Lake TBogg! The water is fine, although it does get a tad warm sometimes. :})

Ciao!

I was looking for the pony just last night.

Welcome here. We’re going to be keeping an eye on you now!

Welcome!

So glad to see you here, Tom! The lake is getting hotter by the minute.

Ain’t this just the purtiest little thing.

First Empty then Tbogg, Christy and Jane are dealing like the Yankees.

Welcome TBogg,
Jane and Christy sure weren’t kiddin.
Now we need a corral for you and Blue Texan.

Resistance was futile anyway.
You have been assimilated and will proceed to the white door on the left.
There you will receive instructions on the secret handshake, new code words and the mystery of the Loch Ness monster will be at the back of the handbook.

Welcome, you are now a really popular blogger.
Please upgrade your stationary and business cards.

Just kidding.
A very warm welcome to you,now I have one stop shopping.

Busted

What a treat! Welcome Tbogg!

The pups needed some bassets to complete the mix!

Let me be the first to complain about having to register for an account. And my old three letter handle doesn’t work here? Whatever happened to the good old days when we could just say whatever damn fool thing we wanted with, like, zero accountability?

Ahh, hell’s biscuits. Congratulations on the fancy new place. Remember that if it’s not kept nice and neat it comes out of your security deposit.

And make sure there’s none of this “first post” nonsense.

(formerly zsa)

Is this what they can networking or working the nets?

Rim shot… dis is gonna get innerstin’

Welcome to the FDL family, TBogg. I don’t know who you are. Could you post me some links? biginla AT yahoo period com. Thanks!

The Bassets is a large dog with very short legs attached to very big feet, who can out slobber all other breeds with both ears tied behind its tail.

Dude, you’ve changed. You used to be about the snark.

And the basset genitals.

Welcome, TBogg — it’s an honor to be around a somewhat popular blogger. Can I get an autograph?

Yeah, I never understood the thing with the poodles. Bassets understand the world as it is.

I’m gonna call you “Madge”!

*mwah*

Thanks be to Odin the All-Father and the Basset Deities that you still exist in this heavenly afterlife of the New FDL. Perhaps now I will lurk less and post more on the other islands of the ‘Lake.

damn, check you out with the faux-Steadman logo and everything! (and a reassuring Beckham-in-repose.)

so long as you keep Hewitt’s boob cones handy, I’m cool.

I’m not familiar with your work as I don’t get out much, but welcome.

I must say I do not like the read more crap. I want my snark without additional clicks. So now we have to work to get Firedoglake as the #1 when you Google “Basset Penis?” Hey, we can try and get you on Digg’s frontpage now!

I remember when we used to read TBogg on Blogspot before he was a “somewhat popular blogger” and he was only “not Atrios.”

The Random Ten better not go away!

the internets better get more reliable…if this site goes down, now, it takes most of my favorite bloggers with it!

Not as homey or intimate as the old place, not wild about the registration, and there’s no blogroll (yet, I hope). But I guess it gets you a bigger audience, so…congratulations.

Hey TBogg! Great to see you!

TBogg’s been around for quite a while. I knew him from Salon’s Table Talk, well before they went to pay-to-post, and way well before he got blogging. The TTers were the ones who encouraged him to get blogging in the first places!

Hey, what does Satchmo say about Beckham getting his picture on the top of the page? Man, I bet he feels so slighted right now!

Welcome to the lake, TBogg — and what a wonderful get-acquainted to this first-timer at your digs. Crash Davis and basset hounds. And a DWR ad in the sidebar. Heaven.

Salut to the hounds from my 2 spaniels, both neutered of gender but not of voice.

Salut from this denizen of FDL-ville. Jane noted your inspiration to her, so I’ll play it forward that starting my own wee blog was inspired by Jane and Christy.

To the voice of Louie Armstrong, what a wonderful world….
[can’t preview, hope this is ok]

Congratulations! Does this mean that we will now have to eschew snark, sexual innuendo and cursing?

But, who’s going to volunteer to walk the trolls through registration?

Dick Cheney held it up
http://www.democracynow.org/

TBogg, congrats on hooking up with the lovely Ms. Hamsher. I know they’re more or less over and done, but you’ve gotta also mention your best.names.ever.: Jenna and NotJenna.

Shiny…

Congrats on the new home. I was one of those afraid you were calling it quits. glad that didn’t happen!

Now with this new power, remember what Kathryn Jean Lopez says, “But with great power and opportunity comes great responsibility.”

Wow, TBogg, a whole new look! We’ll be looking forward to seeing you here regularly. Get comfortable, it’s gonna be a fun ride!

Welcome, TBogg. Good to have you onboard here at the lake.

You had me scared there, T.

Oh, I’m not the one who didn’t know tbogg–I’ve been hanging out at his place for a few years now.

By the way, I spent a lot of time on the TT forums myself (quit when they went pay-to-post)–especially the Florida threads, November-December 2000. Still recognize some names from the old days.

Let me guess, Firedoglake is going to sign Johan Santana, too.

Congrats all around.

Hey! Very cool. I moved into this great new neighborhood and it turns out there’s this guy named TBogg and he has the sweetest dogs.

So we’ve got poodles, a dachsaund, a MilleniaLab, and now Bassetts. I think I’ve found the dog-blogging corner of the neighborhood.

Welcome TBogg
I read a lot, post some and have a long haired JackRussell

Welcome Sir…
Fresh lemonade to your left, wings and fries straight ahead, the band is setting up in the next room…
sit a spell.

Congrats T-Bogg, you’ve made it to the majors. So where’s the free booze and party snacks?

Oh dammitall, EW, you had to point out the dog thing out loud.

Now the kids are going to nag me: “All the other cool bloggers have dogs, why can’t you get one??”

Agh.

wow!!!!emptywheel, now tbogg!!!
xmas came early this year.

hope harry hutton’s next, now that he’s back from his bungee jumping holiday in chechnya.

For those who have not experienced the snark stylings of TBogg, you’re in for a treat. And you may want to pick up a spare keyboard or two.

Damn you, tbogg. I hate the new FDL so much that I had deleted it from my bookmarks and vowed never to darken their doors, not even for Christy or emptywheel.

Now you moved in.

Damn, damn, damn. Vow? or tbogg?

Okay, you win. I still don’t like it, but you win.

So we’ve got poodles, a dachsaund, a MilleniaLab, and now Bassetts. I think I’ve found the dog-blogging corner of the neighborhood.

Don’t forget Token, the cutest dog in the world, 9 lb. category. Suz is watching…

Wow!

Xmas The holidays come early!

What a great addition to FDL.

TBogg, I always kick my self for not going over to your sight more often. I’m one of those dour Germans who needs all the humor I can get.

A big FDL welcome!

Per others above, TBogg is short for spew alert aka “wiping coffee off monitor.”

Congrats again Jane!

Wow!

Damn dude, you gave me a fright! Well congratulations on making it to the “Bigs”.

I guess now it’s one-stop shopping here at the Lake.

Yer pal,

Jo

Kate, what is it that you don’t like?

Seconded.

I’ll say this once, and then I’ll hold my peace: this move is fucked up. I always enjoyed the comment threads at the old TBogg, because they were funny, insightful and actually had something to say. This place, on the other hand, is a retarded cesspool of “First!” and the like. Idiots.

Fuck, this shit pisses me off. One less intelligent place to visit every day.

If the first one to six comments will spook you, maybe you’re not cut out for this space anyhow.

I figure the more important meat is always farther along in the thread — and if you miss looseheadprop or Hugh or a number of the other FDL community members’ comments because of the first six, what a loss for you.

too cool!

This is a good get for FDL. You unhappy types should remember that tbogg classes the joint up a little.

Well congratu-fucking-lations, Mister Made-Us-All-Spend-Two-Days-Thinking-You’d-Gone-All-Billmon-On-Us.

At least we’ve discovered what it takes to get you to run an RSS feed.

Wow, Tbogg! Spiffy new digs you’ve got here.

I’m an old FDLer and I hope you don’t hold your peace. It’s TBogg’s space.

PhoenixWoman: The overall new look. The tiny font size. The incessant and ubiquitous advertisements. The incredibly grating comment shouts of “Zed!” and “First” and whatever the name of the post writer is. Diggs. The clannishness of the commenters, who cold-shoulder anyone who isn’t one of them.

I expect none of that to change. I don’t expect to get used to any of it. I don’t expect to like any of it any better over time.

Good going Tbogg!Although you would know me by my real name(we both live in San Diego,for awhile anyway),this is the handle i’ve been using for as long as I’ve been reading you.Congrats on the move and I’ll be here for the quality snark just like at the old place.

I don’t know what Kate doesn’t like, but there are a couple of things I hate about this. I hate losing one more independent blogger to the conglomeratization of blogtopia. I hate having to deal with a whole different culture of commenters (seriously: if there are actually people in the world who weren’t already reading Tbogg, I’m not sure I want to deal with them). And of course I hate the registration thing.

Tbogg classes us up A LOT.

Oh, and I have chihuahuas. So, what, that’s a problem for you?

BTW, feel perfectly free to flame commenters who mess up the Tbogginess of your threads. It’s your house.

kate,
I hope you will stick around, because it’s just too much fun and God knows we need to laugh. These are hard times for a lot of people.

kate, thanks for responding.

Font size is an excellent catch, I’m sure that’s something they’ll review.

Nobody likes advertising. If we all sent Jane a $100 every month, she wouldn’t have to.

WRT “zed” and “first” this is TBogg’s place. Rip into them.

As for the clannishness of the FDL commenters, just hang with TBogg.

Umm, not to get too offensive here, but the comment threads at FDL having always seemed kind of … unnaturally wholesome. It’s a bunch of sincere, happy, well-adjusted people having a cup of tea, cozily gathering around the fireplace, singing holiday songs, perhaps occasionally dipping into politics to discuss what a fucking cockhobbit that bad Dick Cheney is. And hugging virtually. There’s just way too much goddamn virtual huggery. It’s all just so fucking … pleasant.

It’s like you took Che Guevara to rehab, stuffed him into a turtleneck sweater, and made him a sensitivity trainer.

I’m more partial to the “maladjusted-punk-kids-huffing-paint-fumes-from-a-paper-bag-down-by-the-Winn-Dixie-loading-dock” style of commenting. Generally this involves using the word “fuck” a lot. Oh, and lots of sullen glowering.

BTW, the fucking comment preview doesn’t seem to work …

Tom Hilton, thanks. I know you and Kate are speaking for a lot of TBogg’s readers who are just lurking. FWIW, the registration thing is brand new for FDL too. Jane has always been adamant about open commenting.

I understand the objections of Tom H and Kate. But I’ve been reading Tbogg daily for four years and I can’t see how I could stop now. Regular readers might want to be like the indie kid who bemoans his favorite band’s sudden popularity, but Tom deserves a bigger audience and this is one way to get it.

And so…congratulations, Tom!

Love teh “new-blog” smell.

And Dr. W. sez “hi.”

It’s a problem when I have to explain to my kids, “No, you can’t have freaking dog just because all the cool blogger kids have one!”

“And your mom’s not a cool blogger kid so there!”

I don’t begrudge TBogg for this. I like most of the other articles and writing here just fine and Tom’s work is blogzentopicariffic as far as I’m concerned — I’ll follow you to the depths of hell, man (/Protein Wisdom totally manly kissassing) — but fuckity fuck fuck I’m with zsa and Tom Hilton (I’m calling you zsa motherfucker, it’s how I know you, see, I was Jay B before, but fuckity all I couldn’t use that.). I only pray the hordes don’t lard this with their idiotspeak and cliquish communiques about sunshine or whatever it is that brightens their day.

Ugh.

Congratulations, TBogg! Looks nice! And no trace of those awful, awful sconces!

You know, if you actually got to meet some of us FDL types, you’d find out we’re dirty fucking (often fem-bot) hippies who’ve been huffing for 20+ years now.

Sometimes one simply needs a respite from throwing Molotov cocktails, and FDL has been it. Nice to see the ‘hood’s growing, ‘cuz it’s been getting kinda tight; gives us enough space to stretch before we reach out and touch people *firmly* like we have for the last 1.5+ years.

I kinda like this format, it’s purty. Nice job, Jane.

tbogg, one small suggestion — maybe you could ban anyone that does that “First!” crappola. Too severe? I don’t think so.

I’ll add my concurrence to Tom H. & Kate, and add the following:

With a few exceptions (particularly memorable when the idiot target of Tbogg barbs turned up – Alec Rawls, anyone?), Tbogg comment threads stayed relatively short, and, therefore, easy to keep on top of. (Hell, I miss the days when there was no “comments” link, and you had to click the timestamp to get to the comments.)

No one begrudges anyone around here their success. But one of the charms of the blogoshpere has been that there were so many different strokes for so many different folks. The conglomeration of multiple unique bloggers into umbrella sites removes some of the finer strokes, and makes some of us old, grumpy types unhappy.

Also, I realize there are probably technical reasons for this, but not allowing punctuation or spaces in user names is, frankly, weak.

Cap’n Phealy

That should be “No reasonable person begrudges anyone around here their success.”

As another irremediably bitter tbogg commenter, I honestly hope this works well. But before revving up the snark chopper I would humbly submit the following:
Zed’s dead, baby. Zed’s dead.

Sometimes one simply needs a respite from throwing Molotov cocktails, and FDL has been it.

No offense, but many of us old Tbogg folk drink Molotov cocktails for the vitamins.

I’m calling you zsa motherfucker

Plain old “zsa” will do, but yeah, “zsa motherfucker” has got a nice ring to it.

Maybe …

Just let me gush further on the “fear and loathing” motif in the title.
Bravo.

Soooooo … we’re playing over here now? There goes the neighbourhood!

… maybe.

What is it, like almost 2008 and we can’t find a CMS that supports spaces and punctuation in user names? It won’t accept underscores, even.

‘Splains a lot, actually.

Molotovs are for THROWING.

Grain alcohol and tequila for DRINKING.

Perhaps that’s the reason FDL types seem more “wholesome”; our breath doesn’t reek of gasoline.

As a long time FDL’er, let me say that not everyone over there is all hugs and kisses and pretty please.
Fuck dat, there are some hell raisers too.
Just don’t get personal and no threats of violence or intimations of violence and every one gets along just fine.

I understand Kate’s points entirely. But I couldn’t do without my Daily Tbogg.

Zed’s dead, baby. Zed’s dead.

I am in favor altogether of putting a quarantine around that particular custom. Kinda like no slavery in the new territories.

FDL regulars, please take note: respect the tribal customs here at the neighboring village!

Tbogg regulars, if you want, save the link to this comment, so you can remind people the Inca asshole said so.

zsa,

I’m confused and scared by this new configuration and new people. TBogg can you write something — anything — to get me out of this thread? I feel weird.

I probably shouldn’t say anything since I haven’t had personal experience with it, but I’m sure there are others with spaces in their names: Phoenix Woman, Catherine Graham Cracker, Marion in Savannah come to mind. I think you have to go edit your profile (up yonder in the Toolbox) once you’re registered.

And please give FDL a chance before you trash us. We’re all getting used to the new format, too, and the techies are working out the glitches.

I understand the objections of Tom H and Kate. But I’ve been reading Tbogg daily for four years and I can’t see how I could stop now.

Agreed, and I have no plans to stop. Just kvetching (also, more than a little sad about the bigger trends in blogtopia).

Tom deserves a bigger audience and this is one way to get it.

And so…congratulations, Tom!

Thanks! I agree completely!

Oh, you meant tbogg…well, I agree with that as well (and did congratulate him upthread).

msmolly — nice of you to greet the neighbors, but they won’t understand your patois here; you did not punctuate your comment with “fuck” or “fuckety”.

Nice digs — congratulations!

(And you didn’t even drop me from your blogroll. You’re the best….)

Just wanted to chime in and say my “Congrats” honey. Should have known it would take a group of brilliant, beautiful, and bad-ass (ooooo, I can do THREE adjectives!) women to recognize you for the amazing talent that you are. Jane and Christy…you’re awesome. To all Tbogg’s loyal readers…hang with him. I personally promise the snark will be as great as always. Jump in and hang on, it’s gonna be a wild ride!!!

will this new location be moderated by the same folks as fdl? will a mob of angry women berate me if “scarlet pussy” appears in my pre-friday random ten?

AHHHhh, the Lovely Mrs. TBogg, nice to make your aquaintance.

They call me Busted,among other things…….

The wild & sexy Mrs. Tbogg is certainly a welcome presence around the place, classes things up a bit.

And for those who are worried about comments getting too tame — feel free to keep that from happening.

(sorry, Tom…ducking now…)

Hmm.

First thing the TBogg crowd does, I think, is rearrange the furniture, and make things a little less HuffDogLake. But, welcome.

(’More inside’ sucks, y’know? And it’s not mandatory on WPMU, either.)

All you disoriented TBoggers…just went back and read through comments on your old posts, and you motherfuckers sound pretty much just like us, so fuck you and welcome.

It’s great to see you up and running here…
loved your old site, and got quite a scare last
night listening to The Doors.
Your posts will be a great addition.

Tbogg! Great to see you here at the lake. I’m a faithful lurker over at yer other place!

Get the snark started!

Hey Busted….nice to meet you too!!!

No one begrudges anyone around here their success. But one of the charms of the blogoshpere has been that there were so many different strokes for so many different folks. The conglomeration of multiple unique bloggers into umbrella sites removes some of the finer strokes, and makes some of us old, grumpy types unhappy.

Why would you be unhappy? Clear Channel Radio has been very successful with this type of format and has thousands of unique radio stations where you can hear the finer strokes of all types of new and exciting music!

msmolly — nice of you to greet the neighbors, but they won’t understand your patois here; you did not punctuate your comment with “fuck” or “fuckety”.

I’m at work….shouldn’t even BE here, much less commenting. Fuck it. *g*

And by the way, I am a relatively new commenter and have been greeted nicely. Sure, it may seem clannish as it always is for a newcomer to an established group, but I think we’ll grow on you.

msmolly, that post could have been written by me – I’m at work, shouldn’t be here, fuck it!

I’m finding this new format oddly addicting – I’ve been commenting more, both at FDL and EW’s place, the last couple of days than I ever did before. Not sure why.

For tbogg’s regulars, a fuckity fuck fuck hello to you, too!

And dammit, we want the basset favicon back!

a very breathless and excited “hellllo” to you!

I’m finding this new format oddly addicting – I’ve been commenting more, both at FDL and EW’s place, the last couple of days than I ever did before. Not sure why.

I have been lurking and rarely commenting for about 6 months only, but am losing my reticence with the new format. Perhaps it is that the regular crew is stumbling around and disoriented so I don’t feel so much an outsider. I’ve been commenting at the Treehouse too, which I had never done before.

Good for you–you deserve it!

As for those of us who didn’t make the cut…is there any chance you (tbogg) would consider restoring the whole (old) blogroll? What if we beg? Okay, what if we grovel?

I’m getting a penis crisis: we’re not all women here at FDL central, ya’ know!

Well, pull it out and let us have a look, Pachacutec. We don’t take anything on faith, you know.

/waves to Mrs Tbogg

Oh noes….I hafta change my bookmarks?

TBogg expects me to WORK?!

Anything for Satchmo & Beckham, I guess.

Well, this sucks! I was only on one blogroll, but it was TBogg’s! Dammit!

Uh. OK. I have registered. Or arrived. Or something.

EPU’d (see what I did there? HA!) from TBogg’s old place:

1. No GRAVATARS??

2. What about saying fuck fuck fuckity fuck?

3. Zed! Fuck fuck fuckity fuck.

4. We can has Basset penis?

5. How will the next wingnut who wishes to stage a meltdown which can be blamed on Teh Libruls find you? Especially if he is too drunk/high to register? Huh? Have you thought about THAT?

What about the wingnuts???

It’s not you, it’s us. Well, some of us. We’re old. Set in our ways. What was good enough for us in 2000 should be good enough now, gardummit.

We’d faithfully be there day after day, from the great Haloscan Freeze of Ought Four, through the Dan Collins meltdown. And when one goes through things like that with other people, well, you get a certain fierceness and pride of place, like Hugh Hewitt broadcasting from the once-and-future front lines of the Empire State Building (you can’t know what it’s like until you’ve been there, man). Like the five Romney kids traisping through Des Moines, war has a way of bonding people. Even people who don’t like other people all that much.

I don’t take out my penis in front of a computer.

Whaddya take me for, the Doughy Pantload?

msmolly — that’s one upside to working for yourself from home — I can say all the fuck I want. (Unfortunately, it’s difficult to bill clients for that…)

This is going to be an interesting experiment, merging communities. I’ve been hanging at Jane’s digs and EW’s since before Libby’s indictment, have seen a lot of changes already. But this is a biggie, almost like moving into a dorm room with a bunch of unknowns.

It’ll take at least one drunken weekend for us to settle in.

I don’t take out my penis in front of a computer.

So those wild stories about late night are just urban legend, eh?

Gotta go find some brain bleach for that Doughy Pantload reference. Ya bastard. *grin*

Um, about those Cheetoh-orange fingers of yours…

I hear ya!!!!

What no Zed Bettys?

All you disoriented TBoggers…just went back and read through comments on your old posts, and you motherfuckers sound pretty much just like us, so fuck you and welcome.

Exactly.

As for the preview button: It was working this morning over at FDL — wonder if the tech folks are banging around in the plumbing?

New place or old place, I just hope the SOB quits making fun of me! And bassets suck!

Please visit my website! Please! Pretty please!

It’s not you, it’s us. Well, some of us. We’re old. Set in our ways. What was good enough for us in 2000 should be good enough now, gardummit.

I hear ya. I nearly bailed on Salon’s TT when they went to pay-to-post, and I wound up all but dropping TT when I started my own blog.

In fact, I think that while P-t-P served as the World’s Best Twit Filter (because very few GOP trolls, even of the paid boilerroom type, were going to give Salon any money for any reason), it may have spurred on the first wave of progressive blogging, because shortly afterwards a whole bunch of TTers started up their own blogs, or used TT mainly as a way to get an early audience (Atrios used to show up on TT as “Kurt Foster”, and the person behind the late and much-missed Media Whores Online was “Jennifer Kelly”).

And yes, Tbogg was one of the TTers who made the big leap to the blogosphere. So I knew him before any of *you* did! Nyah nyah nah nyaaaaah nyahh! (Though he never calls, he never writes… *snif sob*)

Let me join the chorus of loyal Tboggers (that sounds nice and dirty) slightly dismayed at the registration process but much moreso delighted about any opportunity for our Imam of Insight, our Sultan of Snark, our Sheik of Smackdown to broaden his audience. The only thing better would be for T to be awarded Joe Klein’s job at Swampland (with a contract clause that allowed him to personally fire Klein by punching him in the balls until his arms were too sore to continue) but this is very, very good.

Well, I’ll add you to ours. (Which I thought it was already on there, but I guess not. [Looks embarrassed.]) Not quite Tbogg, but it’s something.

PW, preview has not worked for me since the transition.

****Taking no notice of the clean new floor, with mud on his boots he enters, limping, heading straight for the bar and orders one of those new fangled malotov cocktail drinks. In fact make it a fucking double***

PW, preview has not worked for me since the transition.

Either here or in FDL itself? That’s weird — until today, it’s always worked for me, in both Firefox and MSIE.

I’ll say this once, and then I’ll hold my peace: this move is fucked up. I always enjoyed the comment threads at the old TBogg, because they were funny, insightful and actually had something to say. This place, on the other hand, is a retarded cesspool of “First!” and the like. Idiots.

Fuck, this shit pisses me off. One less intelligent place to visit every day.

Talk about clannish reactions! (wink wink nudge nudge)

By the way, keep letting the tech folk know about any issues that arise (such as the non-previewing Preview function).

I haven’t tested it today in FDL, but I assumed the “engine” that underlays the entire site is the same. But it doesn’t work here today, and it hasn’t worked at FDL since the new site went up.

I am on a Mac with the very latest OS and the latest version of Firefox. Preview always worked perfectly before the transition.

Guess no one really cares that I can’t load the new and improved FDL on my home computer. All the ads load on top of the text, I have to scroll sideways to read the lines that I can see. It’s just hash. I guess I don’t read FDL at home anymore.

Okay, now I’m annoyed for technical reasons: my browser freezes for a few seconds every minute or so. I’m getting approximately 278% more hourglass time than I got at Tbogg Classic.

Just tested over at FDL. Nope, preview doesn’t work.

Does preview work?

Testing it now. . .

Preview works for me: the text appears in the space just above the text box.

I think a lot of people just miss it there.

testing preview.
No worky for me.

Talk about clannish reactions! (wink wink nudge nudge)

And is there something wrong with that? Yes, there was a tbogg clan; no, many of us are not happy about being absorbed into a larger clan. It’s perfectly reasonable.

Does preview work?

Testing it now. . .

Preview works for me: the text appears in the space just above the text box.

I think a lot of people just miss it there.

Weird — it worked in FDL just now, but it’s not working here for me. (I’m currently using Firefox 2.0.0.11 in an XP environment.)

I can’t get Preview to work on any of the blogs & haven’t been able to since the transition (intel mac, firefox, os 10.4).

And is there something wrong with that?

Kate thought there was:

PhoenixWoman: The overall new look. The tiny font size. The incessant and ubiquitous advertisements. The incredibly grating comment shouts of “Zed!” and “First” and whatever the name of the post writer is. Diggs. The clannishness of the commenters, who cold-shoulder anyone who isn’t one of them.

I expect none of that to change. I don’t expect to get used to any of it. I don’t expect to like any of it any better over time.

See what I mean, Tom?

I’m glad you at least are willing to recognize that a) clannishness is a two-way street and b) there’s nothing inherently wrong with that.

Sorry about being confrontational, but I’ve never been one to let blanket statements go unchallenged. Especially when very little evidence is made to support them.

I get no preview. Windows XP, latest version of Firefox. There’s a link called “Preview” but when I click it nothing happens.

RE preview: (Mac, Firefox, latest versions of everything)

When I hit “preview” the text in the response box goes away for a second, then appears exactly as it was (with the html codes). Nothing appears above the response box.

And PW@138: I too felt a bit of “clannishness” at FDL…you all seem so familiar with each other, say “hello” and “goodnight” and such. But then I thought about how it is for any newcomer coming into an established group, and realized that could happen in person, too. It’s nice of the “clan” to make an effort to include the newcomer, but there’s some responsibility to step up and participate on the part of the newbie, too. Since I’ve been commenting more this past week, I’ve gotten many more responses and feel increasingly comfy. I hope the TBoggers feel welcomed too.

Nope, I’m not missing it – nothing happens when I click on it other than a spinning wheel that announces “loading” & then it takes me back to the box with my rough comment. And yes, I’ve let Siun know.

And welcome TBogg. I lurked at your old site but didn’t comment since I don’t comment much on anyone’s sites. I’m glad to see you here.

As for the complaints from the TBogg crew – I feel your pain. I’ve been reading FDL since it was at blogspot & Jane & Chrisy were the only bloggers & I’m finding the redesign very painful to view from a design point-of-view(though I like TBogg’s & Marcy’s sites much better than the main page).

And I really wish I could see how these look before posting my first few comments to TBogg.

Edit: the text reappears in the RESPONSE box.

I stopped contributing to the comments here many months ago, maybe longer. I agree with the comments here about the clannishness of FDL commenters. I rembmer one comment during the Libby liveblogging where several “firepups” were seriously suggesting that new commenters be required to contribute to FDL before they were allowed to comment. Yep, that certainly is nice and neighborly, not at all clannish.

I’ll continue to read FDL (at work, as my comment above noted that the new and improved FDL no longer is readable on my computer at home), but I don’t care for cliques. The posters are great, and the new posters enhance the writing of the site. I respect the work that Jane, Christy, emptywheel, etc. do immensely. But I can’t see investing the time necessary to become one of the gang of firepups. That’s just my perspetive.

OK, it is what it is, let’ get back to the snark.

I’m glad I didn’t catch the Doors post last night, or I would have blown both of my finals today over the fearful implications. Careful man, you’re messin’ with people’s LIVES here…

Yes, it seems as though there are occasionally these kinds of dust-ups at almost every site I love & I always hate it when people leave because of them.

Hey, TBogg! Great to see a fellow San Diegan here at the Lake.

Guess no one really cares that I can’t load the new and improved FDL on my home computer. All the ads load on top of the text, I have to scroll sideways to read the lines that I can see. It’s just hash. I guess I don’t read FDL at home anymore.

If you post your home environment (machine, OS, browser, Internet connection) there are several techies among the commenters who are always willing to help debug a problem, even by phone or offline email.

I’m just dropping by to voice my displeasure at this move. I quit on FDL some time ago. I don’t remember what caused me to leave, but I do know that I haven’t missed it one bit.

Here are my complaints, not that anyone will care (sobbing gently):

1. The new format blows. I have to open each entry to read the post? I guess that keeps the click-through counts up for the advertisers.

2. There are already 140+ comments in this thread, going almost nowhere. At least at the old place, a long comment thread was good for some true wingnuttia. WTF?

3. I agree with Tom Hilton: the conglomeration of voices is actually a bad thing for independent thinking. As the commenters merge (please no more with the “First” shit) and assimilate, the independent voice is compromised. I don’t want to learn about the FDL conventions of posting…we were doing just fine over at the old site, fuck you very much.

4. Did I mention the new format blows?

Tbogg: Congratulations on the move, I guess.

Oh, yeah, the preview doesn’t work for me, either. Fuckity.

Let them know. I’ve been emailing Siun at media DOT firedoglake AT gmail DOT com about my preview problems (you should, too, msmolly). She’s been passing them on to Jamie (FDLs techie)

Thanks SadieSue. I really didn’t know who to send them to, and someone said they’ve been reading through the comments. When I get home from work, I will email Siun.

Looks like a suckfest here. Aren’t any of you people worried about the mall shootings in Omaha? Muslims? Happened just after Bush left town. Even worse, the mall is closed until tomorrow. Oh, the humanity!!

Whoops! This is what happens when you don’t have Preview!

Everyone who is having problems with Preview or the way the site(s) is/are loading, use “Bug Report” as the subject line when you email Siun at media DOT firedoglake AT gmail DOT com. I imagine they are reading comments, too, but it never hurts to complain in person.

I have no idea what the relative levels of ‘clannishness’ are at Tbogg Classic vs. FDL; people will always consider someone else’s clan more ‘clannish’ than their own.

That said, I’ll make two observations:

1) My experience at Tbogg was that even when I was pretty new there, people generally engaged with my comments; there was no ‘cold shoulder’ as Kate described. I’ve made a handful of comments on FDL threads, and to my knowledge nobody has ever responded. I never thought much about it one way or the other, but from what some other people have said I’m guessing my experience was far from unique. Now, I don’t think that’s a function of inherent clannishness so much as clannishness forced by sheer volume of comments–that is, as comment threads get enormous and unwieldy, the identity of the people commenting becomes a quick and easy way to decide which limited subset to read. (The epitome of this is Eschaton’s comment threads.) Nobody is to blame there, necessarily, but it does result in a kind of clannishness that we didn’t have at Tbogg Classic because (with a few trollish exceptions) the comment threads were small enough that everyone could read every comment.

2) Clannish or not, the FDL comment clan is never one I particularly desired to join; the comment culture here just never appealed to me. YMMV, of course, but the thing we’re grousing about is not that comment culture as such but the fact that we’re being assimilated into it (abandoning Tbogg not being an option, of course).

the thing we’re grousing about is not that comment culture as such but the fact that we’re being assimilated into it (abandoning Tbogg not being an option, of course)

But, but, but Resistance is futile!

(Sorry. I know you were serious but I just couldn’t resist.)

Tom, I think you hit it right on the head. The sheer volume of comments here (look, I’m replying to 153) makes it impossible to carry on a decent conversation. At least at the old place the comment threads were manageable.

I came to Tbogg for the snark, and stayed for the comments. Can this still happen? Time will tell.

I’m going to try, don’t get me wrong, but I ain’t happy.

dbati

(Sorry. I know you were serious but I just couldn’t resist.)

No problem; ‘resistance is futile’ was going through my head when I wrote it.

Does FDL have a comment policy? If so, does it apply here in Tboggistan as well?

Are there banning offenses?

Are trolls permitted?

Do we let wingnuts in?

Whose head do I have to PhotoShop onto whose body in order to be IP-blocked?

1. The new format blows. I have to open each entry to read the post? I guess that keeps the click-through counts up for the advertisers.

Seriously seconded. I know that WPMU doesn’t force this, and ‘read more’ changes the ‘feel’ of a blog in fundamental ways. It was my first gripe about the HuffDogLake redesign — more so than registration — and I just hope that it’s not something imposed upon new top-menu bloggers here for commercial reasons. It ruins the flow, it’s click-click-click badness from the user side.

(FDL is a one-post-at-a-time community, two posts tops. It just is. It evolved that way, and it’s not going to change now. The term ‘EPU’ exists for a reason. Thus, having lots of excerpts above the fold is counter-productive.)

Are you used to talking AT people, or discussing WITH them? Or maybe you’ve yet to say something that any of the FDL crew who’ve been in this thread felt needed a reply?

As for the volume of comments — this is what a conversation looks like in a room with hundreds of people. Some people will sit back with drinks in their hands and listen; others will chatter away. FDL’s traffic is roughly half a million visits a week…and there isn’t supposed to be more than a hundred comments a post at any blog in its community? That’s really expecting those folks to simply STFU.

(This is actually a very s-l-o-w thread, considering the post was put up at 0824h.)

I don’t think Tom’s talking about expecting anyone to do anything; he’s just expressing his own discomfort with the change. Some of us prefer small crowds. I’m one of them myself.

I had always lurked at tbogg, and will probably more lurk than post now…
as to the great volume of posts, it’s probably due to the newness; those who post at the lake will go back, and tbogg’s faithful will post here.
No foul…

Now THAT was a good flame!

Are you used to talking AT people, or discussing WITH them? Or maybe you’ve yet to say something that any of the FDL crew who’ve been in this thread felt needed a reply?

Um – Rayne? I’m one of the FDL crew (for about 3ish years now) & Tom & I have passed Star Trek pleasantries back & forth. I think everyone is just a bit nervous about the new set-up. I know I’m still having trouble with both the design of the new FDL main page & with Preview not working. It’s a bit bumpy for everyone & will be until everything is settled.

I like small comment threads and big fonts. I may get used to this, but I’ll probably read fewer comments. After sifting through the last hundred sixty two in a font apparently measured in nanopoints, my eyes are bleeding.

As someone said, and I’m not going back up to try to figure out who it was, I went to Tbogg for the clever hostsnark and stayed for the bitter misanthropy of the comment threads. (Yes, I’m paraphrasing.)

Well, I’ll still come for the hostsnark, but I probably won’t bother with the threads after a hundred comments–I never did much there, either, and I bow out of Sadly, No! threads about there too. The concentration required to follow that sort of thing is wholly incompatible with an omnipresent migraine.

The ladies at FDL are going to be soooooorrrrrry they gave Tbogg the keys to this joint. I think Tbogg forgot to tell them about his baggage.

*farts*

Hey!!!!! Ya got anything to drink in this trailer?

Are you used to talking AT people, or discussing WITH them? Or maybe you’ve yet to say something that any of the FDL crew who’ve been in this thread felt needed a reply?

Let me put it this way: I’m used to being a good deal less snide and supercilious than you are in that comment.

FDL’s traffic is roughly half a million visits a week…and there isn’t supposed to be more than a hundred comments a post at any blog in its community? That’s really expecting those folks to simply STFU.

Actually, no; I don’t expect those folks to shut the fuckity-fucking-fuck up [STFFFU]. I expect those people to talk, and I expect the resulting conversation to be mostly worthless. That’s why I don’t hang out on blogs that have roughly half a million visits a week. I don’t hang out at Eschaton; I don’t hang out at DailyKos; and I don’t hang out at FDL (until now).

I do hang out at places that have enough comments to keep the discussion going, but not so many that the quality suffers: Lawyers, Guns, & Money; Balloon Juice; Tbogg Classic; or, down a notch in size (but not quality), No More Mister Nice Blog, Whiskey Fire, Instaputz, etc. And of course there’s If I Ran the Zoo, where we may not have a tremendous volume of comments but at least they’re nearly always acknowledged.

I”m not so sure about that. What happens if we get, along with Tbogg 2.0, another Epic Thread?

FDL’s long threads (which always seemed ‘way to short) were made usable by the ‘Quote this comment’ mechanism, which re-capped the comments in the conversation. This was a genial technique which I believe contributed more to the ‘zest’ in FDL threads than is yet generally recognized. I think that something will be lost, and I am afraid that too few people are going to remember how it was and recognize what made it possible.

But anyway, that’s my idea on why the FDL threads worked as well as they did. The biggest gripe I had was that a new post caused the thread on the posts below to lock up — the “Spinning Wheel of Doom” — and broke off the topic, leading to the term ‘EPUed’, but that’s another story.

Change is good. Remember Hell-oscan comments and the spam trolls from way back? Gah.

This will be better; it’s already better positioned in an economic sense. The stuff everybody has been cranky about is fairly minor. From an IT perspective, it’s not good to make too many changes all at once, far more important to make sure the system is stable and not crashing as they bring on each new feature.

Then they can change the drapes and the sparkplug wires.

And, yeah, the typeface and fontsize are for young eyes and minimalist tastes. Give me serifs and a point or so more.

Yeah, here we have over 150 posts, with “Zed” and lots of chatter about preview and crap. I do not see one post about HH tit’s, ping pong balls, Noonan or any of the other crap we are used to. No wingnuts have tried to feed us a line of shit. There are many long time commenters I look forward to reading who have not commented. Will they? (Speak please!)

I quit Atrios a long time ago because the comment threads were too long and had nothing to do with the post. People were saying hello and asking about medical problems and shit. TBogg’s commenters almost always focused on the topic or at least made fun of people. It was very different than other blogs, it was always a delight to read, and it has been my favorite blog for many, many years. SKB’s went away, and what replaced it is a group blog where people want you to be fucking nice to everyone.

I share people’s worries that TBogg’s will lose something. This just seems wrong- like a Creed song.

Until Scott Stapp is arrested, the Malkin video is posted, HH’s tits picture is shown and a wingnut tries to tell us how great Bush is, this place just will not seem the same. If it ever does.

Tom said:

Actually, no; I don’t expect those folks to shut the fuckity-fucking-fuck up [STFFFU]. I expect those people to talk, and I expect the resulting conversation to be mostly worthless. That’s why I don’t hang out on blogs that have roughly half a million visits a week. I don’t hang out at Eschaton; I don’t hang out at DailyKos; and I don’t hang out at FDL (until now).

I do hang out at places that have enough comments to keep the discussion going, but not so many that the quality suffers: Lawyers, Guns, & Money; Balloon Juice; Tbogg Classic; or, down a notch in size (but not quality), No More Mister Nice Blog, Whiskey Fire, Instaputz, etc. And of course there’s If I Ran the Zoo, where we may not have a tremendous volume of comments but at least they’re nearly always acknowledged.

Tom, this was perfect. I hang out at exactly the same places for the exact same reasons. Maybe I’m selfish, but I get used to a community (I’m sure there is crossover) and don’t like the change. A great comment thread is a joy to behold. Many comments does not necessarily a good thread make.

Okay, just one more point…

As for the volume of comments — this is what a conversation looks like in a room with hundreds of people.

Actually, no. In a room with hundreds of people, there will be dozens of smaller conversations going on. A very large comment thread is like trying to converse in a room with hundreds of people while a) having no idea who (if anyone) is paying attention, and b) having each of those conversations interrupted by crosstalk from all the other conversations. They’re not the same thing at all.

In response to SadieSue @ 163

Change is good. Remember Hell-oscan comments and the spam trolls from way back? Gah.

This will be better; it’s already better positioned in an economic sense. The stuff everybody has been cranky about is fairly minor. From an IT perspective, it’s not good to make too many changes all at once, far more important to make sure the system is stable and not crashing as they bring on each new feature.

Then they can change the drapes and the sparkplug wires.

Emphasis mine — sure wasn’t the procedure this time. If I were ever to be in charge of a resource with such a strong aspect of community, I might think about introducing features one at a time on a trial basis, getting feedback on it, tuning the feature or canning it, and then moving on to the next one.

Jesus.

Hey Tbogg!!!

You need to get in here and throw a bucket of water on these people!! Goddamnit!! A guy can’t get any sleep in here!

Congratulation, I guess, tbogg. I just hope you don’t come to regret summarily ruling out the cones.
As malls go, FDL is about the best. Now if only Billmon would open up his bar here.

Sweet! Now the comments are replicating. This is teh best evah!

This thread has all the makings of a Daffy ab Duck Star Trek novel. Tbogg vs. the Tborg…

This thread has all the makings of a Daffy ab Duck Star Trek novel. Tbogg vs. the Tborg…

Resistance is futile.

behindthefall — enterprise environment? maybe. A community with a half-mil of visits each week? unrealistic.

Jeebus, I need to get a life and find something else to do. This thread has been one massive whine-fest. I though tbogg raised you better.

So I gave in and signed up; here was my welcome message:

You have successfully activated your account! You may now login above and conitnue on your journey.

And yeah, I’m whining. Now I’ll go back to lurking…whinily.

So I walked in and said hey, what’s happenen’. Guy said “get fucked shithead.”

I said, “Ok. Maybe some time when you’re feeling better.”

This is a suck-fest. And one cannot link to one’s homepage/web log/whatever, so what’s the point? On a larger scale, what’s the point of anything? I suppose we should wait until TB posts something of substantial snark to see how the comments actually work. And preview is still not working.

See, that’s the thing. We weren’t raised by anyone, we were spawned.

Hey MBouffant – you can link your website (if by “add” you meant make your name into a link). Just go to your profile (in the toolbox at the top right of the page) & add it.

I guess there is no point in whining about the disappearance of the Peggy Noonan stalker thingy now. *sniff* I’ll miss it.

Congrats on joining the grownups.

Delurking to welcome Tbogg – a longtime favorite since his “America’s Worst Mother” Friday postings – and who scared the hell out of me with that “This Is The End” crap over at his newly former site.

This does blow to hell my assumption about why TRex left, however. I had assumed that His Scaliness moved on in order to not scare off the FDL advertisers for the new site (presumed mechanism for trouble: threatened boycotts of the advertisers by the righties). Although TBogg and TRex have quite distinguishable styles, they both seem to know the most sensitive spots for jabbing the wingnuts with pointy sticks, IMHO. So if my assumption and perceptions had been correct, I would have thought Tbogg’s presence might pose the same concerns as TRex’s.

Eh, I’ll just assume that the media-savvy FDL folks have thought all this out, and be grateful that my hypothesis is crap.

Welcome again, Sultan of Snark!

re: fonts

I use my scroll wheel constantly to get fonts the right size for my aging eyes. If you don’t have a wheel, control- and control+ will do the same (in FF anyway, not sure what the IE command is, but there is one).

Forcing the font size up is essential on these sites with teeny fonts, and it really makes a difference.

Everyone calm down. I will be along this evening after work. And walking the dogs. And dinner. And maybe four episodes of Law & Order.

In the meantime stop bickering. And would it kill you to use a coaster?

oh, good…glad you’re here…um, no offense to the artist of yer spiffy new logo up top, but could you (or someone) tell me what those two roundish things are–the blue one with green interior next to “TBogg” and the green one with the red interior twixt the two post-it notes? thanks. enjoy the Law & Order(s).

Yah….we really HATE rings on the tables. And if Beckham can do it, so can you!

I think they’re marbles, and they’re lost.

good guess, jnfr, but there’s some delineation on the bottom half of both that makes me think different. no, actually, Steve Jobs does that, but whatever. (and I notice now that the blue/green one is TBogg’s URL thingy, ie. the thingy that sits to the left of the URL in the address line of the browser. sorry, I can’t be arsed to remember every goddamn trademark name that comes along.)

Um, squire, if I might enquire:

Why is it that your name links to your old site?

As a side note, although I won’t be posting there anymore, the old Casa de Tbogg will be sticking around for awhile so that people can go visit it and reminisce just like at the Reagan Ranch but without Peggy Noonan humping the doorknob.

Well, congratulations on the cushier digs (Kohl ads!), and no doubt higher traffic. I know you won’t change.

But I’m withholding judgement on the notoriously inane and unproductive FDL comment section (Zed! Fitz! Hemorrhoids!) for the moment, because as badly as Haloscan sucks, some things suck more.

jeziz h. pogo fucking krist. here’s the thing, i read firedoglake, i even put in a comment on occasion. i’ve lurked there for a couple of years and i’ve enjoyed it because it was its own thing. the posters were routinely top notch and if there was a great article i’d venture into the comments and hope for further signal. sometimes it would be there but i generally detest being mired in the sheer volume of inane blather, um, convivial chatter. still, the lake was a daily read. but i will join in the chorus of naysayers, tbogg’s joint rocked because it didn’t have all that smarmy crap delightful repartee. i just read through every one of 188 posts and i won’t do it again. and while i’m bitching, crank up the font size, middle aged guy over here, all this white space glare is killing me, it don’t look like snark. looks like a dental office. i love the tbogg, i hope this move works but i’m dubious. how about cross posting to the classic site for the curmudgeons hmm?

“through the Dan Collins meltdown. “

Yeah, that was something!

Unfortunately, here EVERY comment thread is hundreds long and don’t anything nearly as spectacular as The Meltdown. It’s all white noise.

Same here on the preview. XP, Firefox or IE — not above, not below.

Oh, and TBogg — fuck yeah!

If anyone gets down this far and if this post makes it, I’m using Firefox and an add-on that allows me to increase the font size.

And good luck Tom! Hate to say it but my first thought was about Satch and Beckham. I couldn’t make it through the week without them.

And preview seems to be working.

Linda

Phoenix Woman: In defense of my “blanket allegation,” I will tell you that I have been a regular reader of FDL since it was on the very first incarnation, when Reddhead was Redd and there were many fewer regulars here. I’ve posted more than once, generally in the Pull Up a Chair threads on Saturdays.

Your question to me earlier today was the first time in – what – three years? that anyone at FDL has acknowledged my existence by responding to anything I’ve written. It does tend to give one the impression of clannishness and cold-shouldering when one is consistently talked around and ignored.

I will also add – thank you for answering (although now I sound like Eeyore).

Could one of the FDL regulars answer my questions in #157? I’d actually like to know. Thanks.

Spiffy new digs, Tbogg. I feel like I should remove my shoes to come in.

Actually, I do know how to read. I just figured that, maybe, our host had not remembered to update a profile that had been created before the current URL existed. But to come right out and say that is a bit jejune.

Well, there’s an open mind.

W

re. fdl and trolls: trolls willing to engage, provide links, clarify positions are given room to do so. don’t know the threshold for banning, but seems to be only as a last resort.

And I’ve seen absolutely nothing yet to make me change it, your sarcasm included.

Also, I realize there are probably technical reasons for this, but not allowing punctuation or spaces in user names is, frankly, weak.

Cap’n Phealy

WERD, Sir Cap’n! (I am using this as a test post to see if I will be allowed beyond the Purity Neighborhood filters now… ) — Best, Anne Laurie

Zed?

…darn.

Ned! Fitz! Frist!

Welp, I gotta go get coffee….

No offense, but many of us old Tbogg folk drink Molotov cocktails for the vitamins.

And some of us old TBogg folk are going to start drinking Molotov cocktails to cut through the high-fructose coating on our virtual FDL tongues.

I have an unbearable urge to insult my fellow progressives using language that I normally reserve for Karl Rove’s minimum-wage minions of the trollsphere. This site is a new form of martyrdom for those of us on dialup, even without the Purity Police sniffing through our drawers, or at least reading our every word v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-l-y.

Still haven’t seen my last test comment posted, so I’m probably micturating into the wind anyway.

Also, no personal attacks is a biggy. Oh, and pleased to make your acquaintance, zsa.

Sorry. I’ve never visited TBlog except in links, so I don’t claim to know the culture there. I just think this has been a change for three communities and we ought to be open to getting to know each other. The deal is, we all want our country back. Right?

(((TBoggs WATBs)))

Jesus Fucking H Christ Tbogg, there had better be Bassets on Thursday

I used to comment a lot, not so much since May.

Does FDL have a comment policy?

No.

If so, does it apply here in Tboggistan as well?

Everything I read above confirms that rule number one is “TBogg is in charge.”

emptywheel has a troll, Jodi-bot. It’s clear that it’s emptywheel’s decision

Are there banning offenses?

Disagreeing with anything I say.

We had a pain-in-the-ass scroll troll once. There’s never been a written policy about anything, but there were some long threads where people could vent. Certain words and comment length triggered software that would capture comments that required a moderator to release. Not sure if they still use that.

FDL has been hit by a lot of paid trolls. They were always very easy to spot.

One time a long-time-commenter was talking about going to her daughter’s lesbian wedding. A guy asked if he could film the honeymoon. That IP got banned right now.

Are trolls permitted?

Anyone who registers and more or less argues issues is allowed. Not a lot of FDLers who place a high value on censorship.

Do we let wingnuts in?

rwcole is a long time commenter who always disagreed with Jane’s decision to support Lamont against JoLie. That was not a popular position, but nothing ever happened to him.

Whose head do I have to PhotoShop onto whose body in order to be IP-blocked?

I think you can figure that one out.

FWIW, Jane Hamsher has never gotten deep into the “Pull-up-chair” kind of threads, those came from other FDL bloggers. Jane likes it edgy. I know some left/were pissed because they didn’t think Jane was tough enough on people who used sexist language. I know Jane doesn’t suffer male chauvinists, but she didn’t want the place deteriorating into a monastery of political correctness.

I’ll gladly defer to other FDLers experiences.

I rarely post comments anywhere, but have loved your site for a few years. Glad that it’s not the end. Thanks for all of the great laughs and good luck with things here.

Are there banning offenses?

The only offense that will cause a mod to threaten a ban is for a commenter to use multiple screen name. I suspect threats of violence, racist diatribes and other posts in a similar vein would get a person banned.

As someone said, and I’m not going back up to try to figure out who it was, I went to Tbogg for the clever hostsnark and stayed for the bitter misanthropy of the comment threads. (Yes, I’m paraphrasing.)

Agreed. I don’t like the change either, but I’ve always been a cranky old man at heart. I just liked it when TBogg and comments were a small corner bar like Cheers. Now it looks like it might be like a Carlos ‘n’ Charlie’s in Cancun.

I’ll get used to it. *sigh*

So this is it? A bunch of new bloggy toys, which the differently abled among us can’t read or use, and ONE LOUSY TBOGG POST??

I’m thinking we need a Do-Over! Yes, a Do-Over because TBogg never said ‘no backsies,’ did he? A Do-Over and some BASSETS would surely turn the tide.

I still worry that our wingnuts will not be able to register when they feel compelled to perform egregious acts (while under the influence of substances licit or illicit, or even just high on life) and then foolishly attempting to explain and defend themselves to our jeering and abusive commenters for what seems like days. And sometimes is days.

I hope this new format will enable them to do that. Enabling wingnuts to make insufferable asses of themselves on the internets is sorta what we live for. If I thought I’d never see another Godlstein or Collins meltdown again, I think I’d quit reading blogs. That guy with the crescent obsession was chock full of awesome, also.

Will no one think of the wingnuts???

There are a bunch of TBogg posts here. Hit your back button.

And remember TBogg (and the good Mrs.) deserve to make a nice living.

Could we maybe pre-register Goldstein and Patterico? I’m with Gentlewoman on this…

Last call? Already?

(((((((Tbogg!)))))))

One of the great many flaws of Gooperism is that deviations from their Beliefs about “how the world should be” generate Anger and Rage, instead of thoughtful reflection.

Such is the power of magical thinking, to begin with…

As long as we can haz basset penis and general threats to the health of James Blunt, I think we Paleoboggs can get along with anybody.

Just catching up from a long day but wanted to welcome the Tbogg crew – as Pach said earlier, this is your spot so make yourselves at home – no zeds or such required.

A tidbit of info – while the site does have moderators – who are pretty awesome folks – they follow the blogger’s standards, so it’s completely up to the great Tbogg.

We are working on the Preview issue – it’s a bit confusing since people using the same machines with the same OS and browsers are describing different experiences. We have suggested that folks clear their cache and also make sure they are looking above the comment box for the previewed text (just in case)

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The deal is, we all want our country back. Right?

No, no, no. We do not come to TBogg’s to save the world. We come here to laugh at morons with T. He starts off and then we all pile on. Sometimes the victim shows up, we smell blood, and epic threads result. This is a simple concept.

We can has basset favicon. This is good.

I like laughing at morans. And I promise the good Mrs. T that I’ll use a coaster. Or a koozie. And I’ll try not to trow up on the rug.

Thanks Boo.

A guy asked if he could film the honeymoon.

You sure it was a guy?

Yes. I ain’t happy with the move either; missing the old digs. Don’t change, T!

I totally was into TBogg before he was cool. I saw him during soundcheck at the Blind Pig before the first album sitting in with the band that didn’t even play that night because of lack of ticket sales! You all are late to the party! I have his first B-side, which didn’t even have an A-side because he was THAT COOL.

Poseurs.

(I’m not saying the commentary sounds a bit like this, but it sounds a bit like this)

Dude. If I get an obituary, I expect them to mention my pivotal role in the Dan Collins thread.

I wished ya wouldn’t had done this. I’s just a lurker at Tbogg. Welcome, don’t drown.

Seriously, I like your FDL layout the BEST! No offense to Marcy and Jane’s (cannot stand the blinky twitchy ads) but yours is so…. you. Glad you kept the cowboy/pony!!! Glad you won’t have the mods. I get moderated a fucking lot!

Welcome TBogg! Always love your stuff

Perhaps that’s the reason FDL types seem more “wholesome”; our breath doesn’t reek of gasoline.

Yeah, but the Odor of Sanctimony(tm) — stale patchouli and no chemical antiperspirants, maaaan! — is bound to raise some hackles.

If I had a coaster, I’d be tempted to do a bad, bad thing with it.

AnneLaurie, you will love Rayne once you get to know her. Girl has the goods! Plus she walks the walk.

You’re very welcome.

Yeah, pretty sure. Prior to being banned, he had a history of inappropriate comments and liked guns a lot.

FWIW, the sophistication and snark of TBogg commenters are as advertised. I think a few FDLer’s will fit right in. I think the rest of us will just lurk and enjoy reading it.

AnneLaurie, you will love Rayne once you get to know her. Girl has the goods!

No, I don’t think she does. She just showed her class posting like a stuckup bitch and high school Heather over at TBogg’s old place. I get the feeling she is too fucking stupid to realize how bad she just made herself look.

From Rayne, who you say has the goods: Piss off, you whiny assed titty baby. You can dish it out, bitch, but you can’t take it. That goes for you, too, Hilton.

You’re either going to have to step up your game or find another place to play in the street and chase bumpers.

FDL isn’t for people with monosyllabic vocabularies, or typists who peck away on dial-up. Sissies, the lot of you, just grow the fuck up and actually do something with your tiny little pissy lives besides whine.

Yeah, she seems like a champ! She is one of the types the regulars at TBogg’s makes fun of. I guess she is the one who is going to decide who gets to post what and how? This fucking moron is going to run people off? This twit thinks she is anything but a lefty Althouse? And she can certainly go fuck herself if she does not like my pointing it out. I hate fucking losers like her.

Oh, and the FDL blogging platform is a piece of crap. It makes Blogger and Haloscan look good!

Hump, I liked the old layout better.

and you damn kids get off my lawn…

Rayne, I have tremendous respect and long time affection for you. It’s Tbogg’s place, however. If this were an FDL thread, I’d rip into gttim. It isn’t and I won’t.

Frankly, as long as it doesn’t hurt traffic/revenue, I think some FDL commenters (and I would certainly include myself) have something to learn or at least a lot to to enjoy about TBoggistan.

1. Resize the fucking windows so you don’t have to see the fucking ads.
2. Dont’ fucking go to FDL if you don’t like the fucking people.
3. Some people just don’t fucking like change
4. STFU, you babies

If this were an FDL thread, I’d rip into gttim. It isn’t and I won’t.

Man, that sounds like something a cowardly chickenhawk would say. “I would certainly go and fight in Iraq, but I have a wife and a blog to take care of. I have to fight the battle of ideas!” Please, go ahead and rip into me or STFU. Just by that comment, you are a disgrace to the handle you chose to represent yourself with. Harper Lee should sue you to protect her character.

Also defend her obnoxious posts that drew the scorn of many TBogg regulars. Explain how they support your long time affection for her, and how that shows her to be a quality person.

Nice to see you concerned about traffic and revenue. You got a little Republican in you after all. I guess both parties need a few whores.

Y’see? This is just what the TBogger’s are talking about. How many more times are the regular FDLers gonna prove their point?

Sniffle, sniffle, oh please mods, rescue me from the horrible gttim. He called me a Republican and he hurt, sniffle, sniffle my feelings. Please, please, someone rescue me.

All better?

I guess that’s your way of saying she kicked your ass.

Holy shit, I was just trying to fit in. I thought you liked that word and being mean and stuff?

Yeah, you showed me! You certainly ripped into me! Wow! No, you are not a coward at all! Damn, you can’t even follow up your “tough talk” with more tough talk. At least chickenhawks can do that. Now go back to being to being worried about revenues and stuff. You don’t seem to have the guts for anything else.

I thought you liked that word and being mean and stuff?

We do. We just don’t like teh stupid. You and Boo should get along!

Oh my gawd, gttim! You sure are one scary internet tough guy. I hope I never run afoul of you because you are obviously the toughest motherfucker in the room. Not like Boo Radley who’s showing what a coward he/she is by trying to be a peacemaker. I hate people like that.

Yeah, you showed me!

Yep.

You certainly ripped into me! Wow!

See above.

No, you are not a coward at all!

Oh yes I am.

Damn, you can’t even follow up your “tough talk” with more tough talk.

No, I can’t.

Did I mention that I find you VERY attractive?

At least chickenhawks can do that.

You are so perceptive. I work out a lot too.

Now go back to being to being worried about revenues and stuff.

Um, actually the Trust doesn’t like me to talk about this, but I haven’t gone over my allowance in several months. And even when I do, they always pay it.

You don’t seem to have the guts for anything else.

Oh god, you are SO perceptive. Any chance you could link to a photo of you?

You arestill proving their point, guys.

Damn, now Boo is fisking. How sad and pathetic. Grammar flames next?

You know Boo, after tough talking you roll over quicker than Harry Reid. Wingnuts visiting TBogg put up a much better fight. These firepups are not impressing much!

Remember, Boo was the one who started talking tough about ripping into me. He is the one trying to play tough. I just called him on his BS and cowardice. Of course your reading comprehension may be lacking, as evidenced by your post. Or you just are ignoring facts to support your fellow firepup- just like the GOP does!

sniffle, sniffle. He’s not impressed.

But please, please why won’t you give me a chance?

As a long time lurker at TBogg’s, that was incredibly weak.

You are not even fun! You are giving firepups a bad name! At least pretend like you have some skills or give somebody else a chance with you username.

Sad. Yeah, the GOP is really scared of people like you!

You are not even fun!

Sniffle, sniffle.

You are giving firepups a bad name!

You have no idea.

At least pretend like you have some skills

Please, please, show me.

or give somebody else a chance with you username.

You like my name?

Sad. Yeah, the GOP is really scared of people like you!

I’m sorry. Actually some of my best friends are Republicans.

I’m sorry for fisking, but it’s the only way I can keep up.

C’mon Boo. You threaten to rip into me and then you wuss out. Is this technique ever effective? Do you walk up to strangers in bars and call them out, only to wuss out when they turn around and say “C’mon, back it up.” So you what, stand there and say “Oh, you got me. I am so scared. Hah, hah!” Then you turn and hope you friends will laugh with you, but they only look at you like you are a wuss.

You fisk because you do not have the brains, wit or ability to form a logical argument. You fisk because you are unable to write a paragraph about multiple ideas. You fisk because you got nothing else.

How stupid are you really? Every time you keep posting your little cowardly “Sniffle, Sniffle” posts you are just screaming “I am a wuss!” But you do not get that do you? You called somebody out, on the internet for christ’s sake, and now you just do not know what to do. You are just fucking stupid.

But c’mon, I wrote enough so you can fisk some more and try to make believe you have some skills. Everybody knows you don’t, but keep playing.

gttim, my reading comprehension skills are adequate enough to see that BooRadley did not start out “ripping into you”. Merely saying it was tempting to do so. I was also able to see BooRadley being welcoming and comlimentary towards tbogg and his regular commenters up thread. And I’m no firepup. I read FDL but hardly ever venture into the comments. Partly because “I am picky about who I hang with”. I came into this thread because I thought it would be a fascinating to watch internet tribalism run amok as the minority clique fights to prevent the majority clique from crushing its identity. The Goldsteinesque tough guy posturing from you is just a bonus and I’m hoping that if I hang around long enough I’ll get to see you threaten to slap someone with your cock.

OOOhhhh!! Cool! Cock slapping!!

How long til Dan Collins show up, you suppose?

Dammit! There was an “s” on “show” when I typed it, I swear!

*grumble*

Are we finished here or going for 270?

lawnguylander said:

BooRadley did not start out “ripping into you”.

I said:

C’mon Boo. You threaten to rip into me and then you wuss out…

See, your reading comprehension sucks. Lawn guy might be an appropriate career.

I have not threatened to rip into anybody. I merely asked him/her to follow through on his/her threat. He/she can’t or is busy piddling in his/her pants. You are welcome to try, but your understanding of logic and ability to use it seems to be as bad as your reading comprehension skills.

Rayne shot off her mouth with a few posts in very poor taste to some regulars, and in trying to back her up Boo threatened to rip into me. He/she certainly could have done so without trying to make believe believe he/she has a big dick/clit. You can’t just post shit like that and not expect top be called on it. Boo tried to provoke me and did. Funny you want to get on me, but it is OK with you that Rayne and Boo post shit slamming people and threatening them that was not provoked. That is GOP owned media playbook wight there. Congrats, you can argue on the same level as Republicans and wingnuts!

Okay! On we go! Although in my internet commenting experience, once I get involved, the thread usually dies. But if you are inclined further, gttim, git ‘em. I’ll pop some popcorn.

And, HEE!
I need to get my eyes checked; the first time I saw “lawnguylander”, I thought it was “lawnguylawyer”. Stoopid dyslexia….

we’re still gonna have bassett blogging thursdays, right? cause I come here for the bassetts and stay for the snark…

BooRadley said:

If this were an FDL thread, I’d rip into gttim. It isn’t and I won’t.

To which gttim said:

C’mon Boo. You threaten to rip into me and then you wuss out…

So you think someone explicitly saying that he’s not going to rip into you is equivalent to threatening to rip into you and my reading comprehension skills are in question? Calling someone, “wuss”, “coward”, “chickenhawk”, “stupid”, “fucking stupid”, etc. isn’t real witty so maybe you should keep trying but I must say your artful deconstruction of my pseudonym has caused me a lot of pain. And being compared to a working class person is going to be a tough blow for me to absorb. Ouch!!! Where did you learn that technique?

You can’t just post shit like that and not expect top be called on it.

Irony, thy name is gttim.

Last!

You know lawnguylander, I am beginning to think you are too stupid to even cut lawns. Yes, I called somebody “wuss”, “coward”, “chickenhawk”, “stupid”, “fucking stupid”, etc., right after they said they would rip into me, except it wasn’t FDL. Every name applied. I am calling you a fucking moron because you do not seem to able to grasp the obvious.

Let me ’splain: When a chickenhawk says he would go fight in Iraq except he has a job, a family and a blog, he is a coward and is using excuses to try and cover his cowardice. Boo says he would rip into me except this isn’t FDL, he/she is a coward and is using excuses to try and cover his/her cowardice. He/she implied a threat and hoped I would not call them on it. I called them. He/she did not have the balls, smarts or anything to back it up. He/she resorted to a rather lame tactic and I called them on that. Now you come along and want to blame this on me because… well, no firepups could be wrong!

You have not called me on shit. If you did, or did so correctly (which you would need a huge increase in reading comprehension and logic to do), I would probably applaud your efforts. Until then, don’t forget to edge the lawn at your next stop.

Yeah, saying you’d rather not get into a flame war with someone who’s making comments that annoy you is exactly like being a chickenhawk who advocates war but won’t fight in it himself. So, if BooRadley is like a chickenhawk you and I must be the soldiers in this analogy. We are in the line of fire, man. Please do continue with this line of argument. Because courage is definitely the issue here. It takes so much intestinal fortitude to call someone names on the internet. Why, we might as well be on patrol in Baghdad for all the danger we’re facing here. But unless you are actually a wingnut yourself how about showing a little compassion for people who don’t have the kind of balls we’ve obviously got and quit calling them names? Not everyone is cut out to be a hard man of the internet.

Now you come along and want to blame this on me because… well, no firepups could be wrong!

Actually I just saw someone ranting and thought it would be funny to fuck with him. But I didn’t appreciate your capacity to play the victim or your incapacity to be embarrassed and now I feel like a bully.

Because courage is definitely the issue here. It takes so much intestinal fortitude to call someone names on the internet.

Exactly! So you agree with my assessment of Rayne, Boo and now you!

So you admit you jumped into this without a clue as to what was going on? I was not ranting but asking people to follow through or to quit posting nasty comments about others. If they can dish it out they should be able to take it. I have certainly not played the victim or tried to say I have taken the high road. I firmly believe in returning exactly what somebody has tried to do to me or others. If they or you, cannot handle it… quit trying to be tough men/women of the internet.

I am certainly not embarrassed and have no trouble getting in a flame war if I feel I am correct, but you should be embarrassed, especially after admitting you jumped in and ran you moronic mouth without knowing the back story. You should make an effort to know what is going before you decide to “fuck” with somebody. Of course that would take some effort and perhaps some reading comprehension, so I will not be holding my breath.

Man, your ability to make analogies sucks as well. Just sad…

most unpleasant

Seriously doubt that. Not only am I a “dial-up typist”, I live with two small dogs, either of whom is smarter, prettier, and nicer to have around. And that’s not because I’m overestimating the party skills of the twelve-pound sack of canine spite known as Buta-Hime-Sama, who also barks frenetically at invaders real and imaginary.

This twit thinks she is anything but a lefty Althouse?

GTTIM for the win!

With BooRadley playing the leftwing Godlstein and Mommybrain representing… the generic leftist character flaws of handwringing and tonedeafness.

Lawnguylander, I’ve seen your stuff elsewhere, and you’re better than your company here. Snap the fuck out of it.

I’m getting a four-second delay between letters here, so if this is my last post on this thread, it’s because the fucking adcruft keeps crashing my machine. Don’t get cocky, I’ll be back in other threads.

So you admit you jumped into this without a clue as to what was going on?

Not at all. I read the entire thread here and the one over at the old tbogg and I know exactly what’s going on. You’re spewing ad hominem attacks on people in a fit of pique over tbogg relocating his blog to FDL in an effort to keep the the regular FDL people out of the tbogg threads. I’m sure he appreciates your efforts on his behalf. I’m fucking with you for the same reason I like to to make fun of wingnuts. It’s funny. But you should really stick to the idiotic war analogies because you don’t do sarcasm well at all.

Thanks, Anne Laurie. Kind of. But I’m not at all on Rayne’s side if that’s what you mean by the company I’m keeping. She seems like the FDL version of gttim to me and she’s gotten flamed plenty for it. I didn’t think it was necessary to pile on.

So you admit you jumped into this without a clue as to what was going on?

Not at all….

But you said:

Actually I just saw someone ranting and thought it would be funny to fuck with him.

I think you are changing your story.

Ad hominem attacks? Man, you need to work on vocabulary as well. If we were arguing about politics or something and I called them idiots, it would be. That is not what happened. Rayne personally attacked others. Boo implied a threat to rip into me and then wussed out. I did not avoid the substance of the argument. Their character, or more specifically their lack of, was the substance of the argument. Let me reinforce what we have discussed concerning you- reading comprehension is very important in life!

You getting your ass handed to you is funny? So as well as being a moron are you a masochist as well? You could probably Google a few better websites to visit.

As far as professing to not being on Rayne’s side, if you read the entire thread on both blogs you would have seen that she was attacking others with ad hominem attacks, yet you don’t feel the need to attack her. You just want to attack me when I was not even making ad hominem attacks. You are either her friend and are a liar or you didn’t read the entire and are thus a liar. You are bouncing all over the place. With your limited intelligence level, you should pick to one story and stick to it!

You are either her friend and are a liar or you didn’t read the entire and are thus a liar.

If she were my friend would I have compared her to you? I don’t ever remember seeing her pseudonym before. And yeah, I did read both threads, saw her nasty comments, her condescending tone, saw you call her a fucking moron, a fucking loser, a stuckup bitch and more. Over here you pretend to have been threatened and start calling people cowards, wusses, chickenhawks, republicans, fucking morons, etc. This is how you “hand people’s asses” to them? I guess you really can’t do better than that and I wasn’t kidding before about feeling bad for being a bully. I regret having engaged you because I’m sure our exchange was boring to read. There was nothing constructive or interesting about it so I apologize to everyone else but not to you. You’re odious.

stuckup bitch

See, you are lying again. I would never use that term. Heather is better. I never pretended to be threatened, I called a coward on implying a threat to try and make themselves look like a big shot. And you ignorant twit, they started first, but do you say anything to them? I am sure the exchange was boring to read because you do not have the intelligence to bring an interesting argument. Sometimes these little flaps are entertaining, but both both parties have to have something to say. You have nothing to say, lack the intelligence to present it if you did, and you cannot stick to your story. Plus you have been caught in lies. Now you do exactly what you say you find so repellent in me. You are a hypocrite. So, go fuck yourself!

lawnguylander, it was a privilege to read your comments.

See, you are lying again. I would never use that term.

gttim in the comments at the old tbogg:

…She just showed her class posting like a stuckup bitch and high school Heather over at TBogg’s old place. I get the feeling she is too fucking stupid to realize how bad she just made herself look.

Emphasis mine, self pwnage gttim’s. I’m actually beginning to like this guy.

And thanks, Boo.

Hey, Boo is back! Are you going to rip into me now? Or are you just going to just thank lawnguylander for at least having the guts to try to do what you didn’t the courage to do?

Guess I did! Man, you actually were able to make a point! You are still a lying loser, but you can feel like winner right now! Congrats!

…pwnage…

Jesus Christ, you are a 16 year old landscaper living in Mom’s basement!

Are there banning offenses?

I got banned from FLD, for sniping at TWrecks, I imagine. Now with this new registration dealio, it looks like the dead have been raised incorruptible.

I wonder if banning will now encompass the entire FLD empire, or can FDL ban me without affecting my ability to comment at TBogg or Emptywheel?

op99, I remember you fondly.
TBogg’s in charge TBoggistan and emptywheel is in charge of her place.

FWIW, TWrecks said goodbye to FDL.

Led!

(I think that’s the “last” equivalent of Zed. I’m new here.)