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		<title>By: bobwan</title>
		<link>http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2007/12/14/roid-rage/#comment-1424</link>
		<dc:creator>bobwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hank Aaron had his best season at 37, had two more good years and then declined. Barry Bonds had his best year at 37, had two more good years and then declined. Steroids did nothing to lengthen Bonds’ career. Pete Rose certainly never did steroids and played until he was 44. Warren Spahn won over 20 games at 40 without steroids and blows Nolan Ryan away if you want to talk about a GREAT pitcher with longevity. What’s all the hubbub, Bub?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hank Aaron had his best season at 37, had two more good years and then declined. Barry Bonds had his best year at 37, had two more good years and then declined. Steroids did nothing to lengthen Bonds’ career. Pete Rose certainly never did steroids and played until he was 44. Warren Spahn won over 20 games at 40 without steroids and blows Nolan Ryan away if you want to talk about a GREAT pitcher with longevity. What’s all the hubbub, Bub?</p>
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		<title>By: comsympinko</title>
		<link>http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2007/12/14/roid-rage/#comment-1410</link>
		<dc:creator>comsympinko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 04:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Glad to be of service.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to be of service.</p>
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		<title>By: comsympinko</title>
		<link>http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2007/12/14/roid-rage/#comment-1406</link>
		<dc:creator>comsympinko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 04:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;humboldtblue–&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sorry about the Blue Hens.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Many of my friends went to Delaware and I was really hoping they would pull it off.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It think it was the similarity of their helmets to Michigan’s that gave App the edge.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>humboldtblue–</p>
<p>Sorry about the Blue Hens.</p>
<p>Many of my friends went to Delaware and I was really hoping they would pull it off.</p>
<p>It think it was the similarity of their helmets to Michigan’s that gave App the edge.</p>
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		<title>By: MrsTbogg</title>
		<link>http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2007/12/14/roid-rage/#comment-1403</link>
		<dc:creator>MrsTbogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 04:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think we’ll keep him.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we’ll keep him.</p>
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		<title>By: humboldtblue</title>
		<link>http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2007/12/14/roid-rage/#comment-1401</link>
		<dc:creator>humboldtblue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 04:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Gotcha, and I have no argument with your salient point — that if the substances are banned, using them is cheating.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(toldja having a Staff Physician would pay off.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotcha, and I have no argument with your salient point — that if the substances are banned, using them is cheating.</p>
<p>(toldja having a Staff Physician would pay off.)</p>
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		<title>By: MrsTbogg</title>
		<link>http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2007/12/14/roid-rage/#comment-1399</link>
		<dc:creator>MrsTbogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 04:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;oops, technology.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops, technology.</p>
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		<title>By: MrsTbogg</title>
		<link>http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2007/12/14/roid-rage/#comment-1398</link>
		<dc:creator>MrsTbogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 04:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Again….under a doctor’s care and for specific injuries.  It’s not bad tchnology, it just needs to be harnessed.  Much like the swelling “comment thread” of Alex Rawls (nod to our Staff Physician)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again….under a doctor’s care and for specific injuries.  It’s not bad tchnology, it just needs to be harnessed.  Much like the swelling “comment thread” of Alex Rawls (nod to our Staff Physician)</p>
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		<title>By: humboldtblue</title>
		<link>http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2007/12/14/roid-rage/#comment-1397</link>
		<dc:creator>humboldtblue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;“But what is sad to me, is that we will never know if the athletes taking these chemicals outside the confines of medical need would have acheived the level of performance that they did if they had not had the chemical enhancements.”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Everytime I encounter this sentiment I think of Gayle Sayers. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not because I knew him, or because my Pop Warner career mirrored his accomplishments, but because …  “we will never know just how many yards the most beautiful athlete (running style) to play the game would have had if he hadn’t gone down with a devastating knee injury two-thirds into the 1968 season.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And why not? Because the knee injury he suffered while Tom Brokaw and the DFH friends of the Boggs were humping like rabbits and flippin’ the bird to the man — was a career-ender.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nowadays, athletes suffer anterior cruciate ligament tears, posterior ligament ‘damage’ and other assorted injuries that would keep most of us pussies moaning like a woman sentenced to sex with Conferderate Yankee …  and then four weeks later, BAM! Jimmy Jam Jones is back on the turf beating the Horned Frogs in the annual big game.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My long-winded point is — Science has given us wonderful tools. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The idea that chemical compounds, because they are just that — chemical — are in some way more vile or unworthy of our respect like say, weightlifting, because they aren’t “natural” becomes silliness when I watch Donovan McNabb, for three consecutive years, recover and rebound from, injuries that in 1965, or 1975, would have been career-enders.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>“But what is sad to me, is that we will never know if the athletes taking these chemicals outside the confines of medical need would have acheived the level of performance that they did if they had not had the chemical enhancements.”</em></p>
<p>Everytime I encounter this sentiment I think of Gayle Sayers. </p>
<p>Not because I knew him, or because my Pop Warner career mirrored his accomplishments, but because …  “we will never know just how many yards the most beautiful athlete (running style) to play the game would have had if he hadn’t gone down with a devastating knee injury two-thirds into the 1968 season.”</p>
<p>And why not? Because the knee injury he suffered while Tom Brokaw and the DFH friends of the Boggs were humping like rabbits and flippin’ the bird to the man — was a career-ender.</p>
<p>Nowadays, athletes suffer anterior cruciate ligament tears, posterior ligament ‘damage’ and other assorted injuries that would keep most of us pussies moaning like a woman sentenced to sex with Conferderate Yankee …  and then four weeks later, BAM! Jimmy Jam Jones is back on the turf beating the Horned Frogs in the annual big game.</p>
<p>My long-winded point is — Science has given us wonderful tools. </p>
<p>The idea that chemical compounds, because they are just that — chemical — are in some way more vile or unworthy of our respect like say, weightlifting, because they aren’t “natural” becomes silliness when I watch Donovan McNabb, for three consecutive years, recover and rebound from, injuries that in 1965, or 1975, would have been career-enders.</p>
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		<title>By: MrsTbogg</title>
		<link>http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2007/12/14/roid-rage/#comment-1396</link>
		<dc:creator>MrsTbogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh yes we saw some horrendous things….club soccer parents are the WORST.  When Casey was 12 she played with a girl we shall call Mary, by far the most talented player on the team.  In a pre-season workout with her personal coach she took a hard tackle to the lower leg and broke both bones.  Out for the season.  Casey and Mary both left that team at the end of the year and we didn’t see her again until she transfered to Casey’s high school her sophmore year.  Casey was still rehabbing from the ACL surgery and she and Mary got to talking about their respective injuries.  Mary told Casey that her father would not talk to her for months after she broke her leg.  Psychological torture at it’s best.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ironically, the best sports parents we ever played with were the ones on her Freshman Football team.  Really supportive, loved her ponytail hanging out of the bottom of the helmet and sent up a huge cheer every time she went out to kick a PAT.  And I thought that was going to be a nightmare.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I should have been more specific as to what I felt she was blind to.  It would have been the literal transformation in his size and strength in a very short period of time.  And knowing that he was told specifically to “get bigger”, she had to be a complete ignoramus to dismiss the idea that he could have taken the chemical route.  And it’s even worse if she had any doubts and did nothing about it.  I do agree however, that the “death of the dream” was probably just as devastating to his head as the chemicals were to his body.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yes we saw some horrendous things….club soccer parents are the WORST.  When Casey was 12 she played with a girl we shall call Mary, by far the most talented player on the team.  In a pre-season workout with her personal coach she took a hard tackle to the lower leg and broke both bones.  Out for the season.  Casey and Mary both left that team at the end of the year and we didn’t see her again until she transfered to Casey’s high school her sophmore year.  Casey was still rehabbing from the ACL surgery and she and Mary got to talking about their respective injuries.  Mary told Casey that her father would not talk to her for months after she broke her leg.  Psychological torture at it’s best.</p>
<p>Ironically, the best sports parents we ever played with were the ones on her Freshman Football team.  Really supportive, loved her ponytail hanging out of the bottom of the helmet and sent up a huge cheer every time she went out to kick a PAT.  And I thought that was going to be a nightmare.</p>
<p>I should have been more specific as to what I felt she was blind to.  It would have been the literal transformation in his size and strength in a very short period of time.  And knowing that he was told specifically to “get bigger”, she had to be a complete ignoramus to dismiss the idea that he could have taken the chemical route.  And it’s even worse if she had any doubts and did nothing about it.  I do agree however, that the “death of the dream” was probably just as devastating to his head as the chemicals were to his body.</p>
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		<title>By: MBouffant</title>
		<link>http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2007/12/14/roid-rage/#comment-1395</link>
		<dc:creator>MBouffant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Not to be one-upping, but here’s a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dallasobserver.com/2005-06-16/news/balls-out/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;longer story&lt;/a&gt; about Dock Ellis, in general, &amp; his acid tripping no-hitter. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Credit goes to Righteous Bubba of the S,N! commentariat.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to be one-upping, but here’s a <a href="http://www.dallasobserver.com/2005-06-16/news/balls-out/" rel="nofollow">longer story</a> about Dock Ellis, in general, &amp; his acid tripping no-hitter. </p>
<p>Credit goes to Righteous Bubba of the S,N! commentariat.</p>
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