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	<title>Comments on: I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness&#8230; but only in a figurative sense.</title>
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		<title>By: AnneLaurie</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnneLaurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Bain Capital Master of the Universe” (and Mormon Stake President) Willard Romney is Dilbert’s Pointy-Haired Boss made flesh, or some near simulacra.  In the Romneyverse, it is the job of the CEO to assert whatever sounds most resonant at that point in time, and it is the job of his many minions to make PH-B’s assertion true or at least libel-proof.  The Tragedy of Mitt is that the ‘fortunate son’ currently squatting in the Oval Office has given America seven years of this particularly noxious brand of MBA-Speak, and the concept of &lt;i&gt;“making our own reality… which you will have to adapt to”&lt;/i&gt; has not worked out very well for that portion of the American voting public not related to Bill Gates or Sam Walton.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Bain Capital Master of the Universe” (and Mormon Stake President) Willard Romney is Dilbert’s Pointy-Haired Boss made flesh, or some near simulacra.  In the Romneyverse, it is the job of the CEO to assert whatever sounds most resonant at that point in time, and it is the job of his many minions to make PH-B’s assertion true or at least libel-proof.  The Tragedy of Mitt is that the ‘fortunate son’ currently squatting in the Oval Office has given America seven years of this particularly noxious brand of MBA-Speak, and the concept of <i>“making our own reality… which you will have to adapt to”</i> has not worked out very well for that portion of the American voting public not related to Bill Gates or Sam Walton.</p>
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		<title>By: TheVelvetBlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheVelvetBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 00:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;For laughs, go to Hot Air to watch the wingers fight over what this means. It’s hysterical. Link is &lt;a href=&quot;http://hotair.com/archives/2007/12/21/two-eyewitnesses-we-saw-mitts-father-marching-with-mlk/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For laughs, go to Hot Air to watch the wingers fight over what this means. It’s hysterical. Link is <a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2007/12/21/two-eyewitnesses-we-saw-mitts-father-marching-with-mlk/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelHarrington</title>
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		<dc:creator>MichaelHarrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Of course Mitt’s son saw the Patriots win the World Series, since he’s their quarterback and all…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course Mitt’s son saw the Patriots win the World Series, since he’s their quarterback and all…</p>
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		<title>By: xanthippe</title>
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		<dc:creator>xanthippe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 05:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;that, my dear sir-or-madam, is the funniest dang thing I’ve read today.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that, my dear sir-or-madam, is the funniest dang thing I’ve read today.</p>
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		<title>By: dsduryea</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsduryea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 04:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mitt wanted to try LSD and join the Love Generation in the 60’s. Is it his fault that his go to guy was dyslexic?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mitt wanted to try LSD and join the Love Generation in the 60’s. Is it his fault that his go to guy was dyslexic?</p>
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		<title>By: Syndicalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Syndicalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 02:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think “boy” can be more degrading, depending on the context. Obviously, in Obama’s case there is a rather different history of the word “boy” being drawn upon.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My point was poorly put, pdx, but “Mormon” just doesn’t have the history or connotation that “Jew” (with or without “boy”) does. So “Mormon boy” is much more like “Christian boy.” The term “Mormon” doesn’t in and of itself mean an insult (Compare “Mormon!” with “Jew!”– different history). I think the “boy” part is more the insult, so I don’t think the parallel is there.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now, that said, there’s a lot of anti-Mormon sentiment that can be unfair and flippant– whether about polygamy, not drinking, Joseph Smith, racism, etc. Southern Baptists simply can’t preach much to Mormons about racism. But again, the term “Mormon” is not what is wielded as the weapon of insult. That may change, granted, but I don’t think it will.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, again, my hyperbolic imagery ruined my point to you, which was just to say that history matters: “Mormon” isn’t that close to “Jew” and “honky” isn’t that close to the N-word. Taunting and name-calling are bad precisely because we exercise some judgment about what counts as how hurtful a “name.” Judgment, aka “instruments,” that can be adjusted from making identifications that aren’t close enough for equivalent moral objection.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think “boy” can be more degrading, depending on the context. Obviously, in Obama’s case there is a rather different history of the word “boy” being drawn upon.</p>
<p>My point was poorly put, pdx, but “Mormon” just doesn’t have the history or connotation that “Jew” (with or without “boy”) does. So “Mormon boy” is much more like “Christian boy.” The term “Mormon” doesn’t in and of itself mean an insult (Compare “Mormon!” with “Jew!”– different history). I think the “boy” part is more the insult, so I don’t think the parallel is there.</p>
<p>Now, that said, there’s a lot of anti-Mormon sentiment that can be unfair and flippant– whether about polygamy, not drinking, Joseph Smith, racism, etc. Southern Baptists simply can’t preach much to Mormons about racism. But again, the term “Mormon” is not what is wielded as the weapon of insult. That may change, granted, but I don’t think it will.</p>
<p>So, again, my hyperbolic imagery ruined my point to you, which was just to say that history matters: “Mormon” isn’t that close to “Jew” and “honky” isn’t that close to the N-word. Taunting and name-calling are bad precisely because we exercise some judgment about what counts as how hurtful a “name.” Judgment, aka “instruments,” that can be adjusted from making identifications that aren’t close enough for equivalent moral objection.</p>
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		<title>By: xanthippe</title>
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		<dc:creator>xanthippe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 00:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;what if someone called Tom Cruise “Scientologist boy”?  Is that offensive?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It seems to me there is some issue here about what is dignified as a “religion.”  Mormonism doesn’t get a lot of respect. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And while we’re at it, suppose someone referred to Barack Obama as just……”boy”?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These are interesting questions, but I think the bottom line, if you look back at the post, is that “Mormon boy” actually is not being used any kind of epithet.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what if someone called Tom Cruise “Scientologist boy”?  Is that offensive?</p>
<p>It seems to me there is some issue here about what is dignified as a “religion.”  Mormonism doesn’t get a lot of respect. </p>
<p>And while we’re at it, suppose someone referred to Barack Obama as just……”boy”?</p>
<p>These are interesting questions, but I think the bottom line, if you look back at the post, is that “Mormon boy” actually is not being used any kind of epithet.</p>
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		<title>By: pdxmike</title>
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		<dc:creator>pdxmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 22:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Syndicalist-&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m not really sure which of my “instruments” I’m supposed to adjust. Just sayin’.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But, until 6 million or so Mormons are slaughtered, they’re fair game for taunting and name calling? That can’t really be what you’re saying. After this Holocaust occurs, you’ll “revisit that”? This is a version of “Why can’t I say the N-word”?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Whatever.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Syndicalist-</p>
<p>I’m not really sure which of my “instruments” I’m supposed to adjust. Just sayin’.</p>
<p>But, until 6 million or so Mormons are slaughtered, they’re fair game for taunting and name calling? That can’t really be what you’re saying. After this Holocaust occurs, you’ll “revisit that”? This is a version of “Why can’t I say the N-word”?</p>
<p>Whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: Syndicalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Syndicalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;pdx,&lt;br /&gt;
Think of “Christian boy,” and adjust your instruments&lt;br /&gt;
accordingly. Mormon and Jew are not even close to parallel–&lt;br /&gt;
but if 6 million Mormons are slaughtered by Christians for&lt;br /&gt;
their religion (rather than left alone for over a hundred years), I may&lt;br /&gt;
revisit that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Otherwise, this is the 10,548th version of “Why can’t I say the N-word?”, and that question has yet to generate anything other than bad-faith pearl-clutching.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pdx,<br />
Think of “Christian boy,” and adjust your instruments<br />
accordingly. Mormon and Jew are not even close to parallel–<br />
but if 6 million Mormons are slaughtered by Christians for<br />
their religion (rather than left alone for over a hundred years), I may<br />
revisit that.</p>
<p>Otherwise, this is the 10,548th version of “Why can’t I say the N-word?”, and that question has yet to generate anything other than bad-faith pearl-clutching.</p>
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		<title>By: heydave</title>
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		<dc:creator>heydave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Why is this a revelation to anyone?&lt;br /&gt;
I pegged this guy for an insufferable asshole the first time I &lt;i&gt;saw&lt;/i&gt; him open his mouth.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is this a revelation to anyone?<br />
I pegged this guy for an insufferable asshole the first time I <i>saw</i> him open his mouth.</p>
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