My contempt for her has reached the Lieberman line.

Whoa, that’s some cold shit, Tbogg. I sure hope Mario Mendoza doesn’t know your address.

We won’t vote for her. The reality on the ground for us is that we do pretty well for ourselves under a Republican administration and I would be willing to take my chances with a solidly Democratic congress, but without her.

Well, as long as you’re not voting against your own self-interests like those silly Kansans Thomas Frank writes about and those true-believin’ fundamentalists everyone else writes about.

American politics is so strange. Party self-identification is strong, but ultimately party loyalty is weak.

She really does seem to be Bush in a pants suit.

i’m sorry but there has to be a democratic-brand of wahhhhmbulance for all this hillary-angst.

jeessuzzz-fuckin’ keerist. caint we all just get along? and seriously, what a silly thing to say:

i’m doin’ all righty under the repubs — whaa? are you (by way of a reader-response-psychoanalytic-hermeneutic) threatening me, man? if i dont hate hillary you’ll go vote for the sick bastard with the hanoi healthcare plan? thanks, pal… thanks a lot.

obama is just the hillary who has yet to live long enough in your consciousness to cause dissonance with that perfect preznit you got up there in your noggin (something like daddy, sumptin’ like ma, sumptin’ like buddha and jeebus, with a little spaghetti monster for orgasms).

all the rest of this primary shit storm is just a flood of words, traipsed across the stage to — in the words of the immortal al davis — “just win, baby!”

hillary doesnt eat baby kittens for breakfast. but if they were to have a baby kitten eating contest to see who gets the nomination, obama and hillary would be slurppin em up by the basketful… in order to bring change to america. so’s the rest of us can do as good as the boggs of san diego… (”pass me a tabby… crunch crunch…”) and look into john mccain’s eyes… there’s a man who’s eaten many a cat… taste just like donuts to him.

they are politicians. they are ego-maniacs… they all got the cold-dead-fingers of charlton heston. yes, amanda, it IS a racket… duh…

just ’cause i voted for obama in the nc primary, got the bumpersticker, do the one-man campaign-support locally and all… doesnt mean i got to go vile on hillary clinton. she’s rending asunder the demo party? destroying the village?

oh, please…

you underestimate the, uh, forgetfulness (yeah, that’s it: ‘forgetfulness’) of the american people…

and i’m tellin’ you, this is your last chance… i heard tell if hillary doesnt git her way, she’s headed to zimbabwe and she’s gonna run off ol’ bob mugabe, and set up her franchise right there…

then you’ll be sorry…
then you’ll wish we were the way we were…
or something.

would you kindly erase the line in the san diego sand there bucko… it is rather embarrassing.

this thing is still fun! tell us some more stories about those strange people at nro… or that malkin woman (is she a real person? really?)

Nope, no way. I have similar feelings about her, tbogg, but the Supreme Court alone, and the possibility of several more Scalia/Roberts/Alitos types will make me crawl across broken glass to mark her name on the ballot.

A McCain presidency would be a disaster for this country. There’s more at stake than personal economic benefit.

Did the blacks jump ship after Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton didn’t win the nomination? No, and a better candidate emerged.

Will the women jump ship after Hillary Clinton doesn’t win the nomination? It’s sexist to speculate, and it would show a strong disdain for women to quote any of them.

Hillary isn’t winning, and there is this insane grasping at anything to prove she is, or at least should be. But she’s running against someone who is beating her in delegates, so tough crap. Enough delegates = the nomination. Funny how that fact is lost on them, which makes her attempts to get and keep the remaining superdelegates much more difficult. Michigan and Florida happened, but not according to the rules. So they don’t count.

I love their projection of racial blackmail upon supers if they don’t go for Obama while they strongly imply sexism if they don’t go for Clinton. The superdelegates have a hard choice, sure. But so far, I think Obama is the wiser of the hard choices and the supers seem to be in agreement.

I’ve been wondering for many weeks now – What’s her angle? Momentum is against her. Have been long odds for quite awhile, and waiting for an Obama implosion from a dead-girl-live-boy thing is a double reverse hidden ball statue of liberty hail mary pass. Going against big media was going to be an uphill climb anyway (everybody knew that going in), but when there is blood in the water they can’t even been distracted by shiny objects or missing white women. Every day burns her deeper and deeper in the hole.

And for what? Ego? Pride? Delusion?

I suspect a bubble being maintained by consultants who know all too well that those boat payments ain’t gonna make themselves.

Boy, it pains me to say this but …

This sounds like “I have mine, Fuck You” thinking and I think that you are better than that.

I too would come out fine under a GOP president, at least financially speaking, but there is no way that I could bring myself to enable the kind of shitstorm that would come down as a result of a McCain presidency. Especially if folks like you stay home and enable down ticket races to turn out more in favor of the GOP than currently looks like will happen.

Everyone has to look at the big picture here … it is better to have either of the current Dem candidates in the Whitehouse than 4 more years of the GOP. If you cannot see that then you really have a problem with the way you are thinking about the future of this country. Yes, it is that important.

i heard tell if hillary doesnt git her way, she’s headed to zimbabwe and she’s gonna run off ol’ bob mugabe, and set up her franchise right there…

Man, I hope she takes those clowns from NO QUARTER with her. Jeez.

A comment there from just the other day: “Too bad it isn’t Obama who has the brain tumor”.

BTW, here’s the brilliance of “former State Department terrorism expert”, Larry Johnson, on full display in the New York Times on July 10, 2001, just 60 days before 9/11. The title of the article is The Declining Terrorist Threat.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/f…..A9679C8B63

Quite frankly I have never seen such a gross example of intellectual dishonesty, disregard for reality on the ground, and shamelessness…

Yeah, but be nice to her or she’ll blow shit up.

hillary doesnt eat baby kittens for breakfast. but if they were to have a baby kitten eating contest to see who gets the nomination, obama and hillary would be slurppin em up by the basketful

I hear this sentiment all the time with no evidence whatsoever to back it up. Please tell us, what has Obama done during this to move the goalposts? What has he done to undermine the authority of the DNC? What completely dishonest shit has he pulled that even remotely resembles the double talk on Michigan and Florida coming out of the Hillary campaign? It always comes down to “they all do, or they all would!”. If that makes you feel better, man, than good for you. But it’s bullshit.

Fortunately, I live in downtown Chicago. My congressman, Senators, state reps, alderman, etc. are all as blue as can be, and will be for the foreseeable future. McCain has no chance in my state. So I can comfortably refuse to vote for Hillary without it making a lick of difference.

Seconded.

Also, Obama may ask her to be his Veep.

Like most on the left I had my candidate in the beginning. I too thought HRC was the pretender to the throne, so I reconciled that if and when my guy lost I would be OK with HRC. But as things played out I’ve learned to really hate Clinton and the brand, and DLC, and the reptiles of their administration.
She is looking for anarchy at the convention. Essentially she wants to lock the doors of the building, set it on fire and see who’s as crazy as she is. Even if she gets all that she wants from rules committee, she is going to try to destroy the party.

Man, No Quarter certainly went off the deep end. I stopped reading it ages ago as they entered lala land. Like others here I supported other candidates but thought if HRC got the nomination I’d support her. I still will but ONLY because of the Supreme Court nomination the next President will make. Other than that both Clintons can go screw themselves. They’ve become a frigging cult.

Well as long as you’ve got yours, Tbogg, I guess it’s all good.

You disappoint me.

Blaspheme With Impunity!

I wanna play!

Hillary is the next to the last of the Harrimanites.

http://www.anusha.com/pamela-h.htm

We’ve got one more Harriman-legacy to go on the national stage: Jeb Bush.

The Lieberman Line? Bill Clinton reached that with me when he responded to questions of 9/11 accountability with — “How dare you?”

Well, since the FBI hasn’t connected Osama bin Laden to the crimes of 9/11, how dare Bill Clinton (et al) challenge the asking of what should be normal obvious questions.

The FBI hasn’t charged Osama with 9/11.

Why?

Our nation’s air defense system failed to intercept 3 hijacked airplanes.

Why?

But the biggest question for me is “Why?” these obvious questions are not part of our political discourse.

There’s a connection to all of the above, in my ‘umble opinion.

Ah…I love the smell of blaspheme in the morning…

I hope not. A friend who has a contact in the campaign said negotiations are ongoing to end this by June 3 … and that Clinton will leave peacefully IF:

1 – Obama pays her campaign debt
2 – he lets her take the lead on the health care plan
3 – he supports her for Senate Majority Leader

Per the grapevine, Mark Halperin of Time says that’s what he’s hearing too.

Maybe she’s staying in to show that she isn’t a quitter. And to give her supporters something to live for. As I think I’ve mentioned here, I’ve had to leave one of my fave blogs because the atmosphere there is so anti-Obama toxic. I’m terribly disappointed that the blog owner let that happen.

Guarantee Hillary Ginsburg’s seat on the Supreme Court. Or better yet, guarantee Bill Stephen’s seat. Let the Clintons tear each other part.

Clintondome: Two Clintons enter, One Clinton leave.

But I’d vote for her over McCain, because I have to. Unless we get out of Iraq, we’re screwed. And that includes you, too tbogg. More Iraq means a weaker dollar, more expensive gas, more overall weakness in the economy…

Yadda yadda yadda. Iraq is the root of our economic problems, just as Vietnam was in the seventies. McCain would sink the ship of state.

Biden opened the door when he called Obama “clean and articulate. Lieberman saw that Democrats let Biden get away with that, so after Lamont swacked him in the primary, he pushed it with “are you a Bill Clinton Democrat or an Al Sharpton Democrat?” HRC reading an AP story that contained the words “hard working white voters” was an abomination against the Democratic party and beyond. I’ll never look at her the same way again. I think one of the reasons she backed off of such an explicit phrasing was that “white voters,” carries such strong anti-semitic overtones.

I’ll still, however, support the Democratic nominee for President.

The reality on the ground for us is that we do pretty well for ourselves under a Republican administration…

So, wait, you’re radiation-proof?

I guess it is always sunny in CA. I have never been disappointed with you & your ideas since I began reading you. I know I need to get a life, I suppose, but your conclusion to the Sen. Clinton problem is really disappointing to me. For all your true snark & love of basset hounds & daughter & wife, you do have yours & the rest of us can just suck it up. You fucking douche.

BTW, & sorry for commenting twice, everything you said about Sen. Clinton is true & spot on, it’s your solution that really pisses me off.

Hillary crossed the Lieberman line some time ago in my estimation.

That said, I agree that the conclusion isn’t to suck it up and allow a McCain administration. We need to not let that happen.

Campaigns are a runup for an administration to be, Clinton’s behavior in
the stress of an unanticipatedly difficult campaign has revealed this
tendency to rage as competence that characterizes her. Sad to say that
all that hype of the experienced leader has proven to be just that and
a ton of wish fulfilment. That personality should never be anywhere near
real power, immature, angry, it’s my party and I’ll cry if I want to…
we are lucky this got exposed, some saw it years ago and were written off
as Hillary Haters, but this has gone on too long and is too consistent to
be temporary, it is pathogenic in nature.

Given the choice between McSame as Bush III and Clinton I vote Clinton. I will NOT vote for anyone in the party of “The Southern Strategy” and I won’t let my non-vote allow them to get elected.

I’m kind of surprised by that sentiment, T. I voted for Clinton in Ohio, then began to regret that vote as her campaign got more and more dishonest and vicious. She seems to have pulled back from that some, but she’s still got some nutso people out there partly running the show. I’ll give you all of that. When I saw her do her sit-down with Scaife, I said, “Done.” I switched my allegiance on that day and I haven’t looked back since.

But still, I think the commenters here are partly right. You’ve set up your personal litmus test, which is fine and good and everything, but then you felt you had to add on some kind of justification, as though your personal limit was insufficient. If you don’t want to vote for Clinton because she doesn’t think rules apply to her, that’s plenty sufficient. We’ve seen over the last seven years what a “Rules don’t apply to me” attitude creates.

But the “we do pretty well for ourselves under a Republican administration” line is beneath you. It really is.

I think I’ll vote Nader either way.

Here in SC, Obama has a real chance to win the election. Clinton would not have a chance. My vote for Obama may win the presidency. My vote for Clinton would once again be a waste of time.

My impression was that there was some agreement to let her keep running, but with toned-down rhetoric. Obviously, she is unable to keep her word. The self-evaluation of her campaign (New Republic) indicated that she made almost every mistake possible, and she clearly wants to keep her track record in place.

My grandson likes to play games that he makes up. He changes the rules as he goes along. Clinton would be a real challenge to him. The Bush years have been enough of life without rules. I don’t want a democrat that is willing to do the same thing.

Super delegates, it is time to bring this to an end. No more agreements to let her keep this up. Stand up and be leaders. That is your purpose in the party.

So what are intelligent well-meaning people to do in the event that Obama wins the nomination, and loses the election in part due to intransigence on the part of Clinton and her campaign?
‘Cause, really, that’s a distinct possibility.

That’s not how I read this election at all.

McCain is clearly unfit and the Obama ground operation is huge.

Think:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlNwujdeZQE

Being a rare liberal (one of those former-Edwards-Obamaites)in a deep-red state, I either am (a) out of touch with reality, or (b) able to be a little calmer and more objective. Take your pick, but here’s what I think, realizing that neither Hillary nor Barack is going to take Oklahoma.

Maybe we should just take a deep breath and wait a week or two. Perhaps Hillary is not as out of touch or as evil as some think. Doesn’t it make sense to play this out through the last primaries on June 3? That way, everybody can say, “I got my chance to vote for my candidate.” Nobody needs to feel outraged (though some will), and Hillary can properly tell her supporters, “We gave it our best shot, but came up short.” There will be, no doubt, some kind of credentials fight about Michigan and Florida at the convention, but there is no further magic that can get the nomination for Hillary. If she can say to her supporters, “We fought to the last bullet,” this will put her in a stronger position to call on them to support Barack for the general.

This may be a bit too rosy a scenario, but that’s my hope, anyway.

Obama pays her campaign debt? How exactly? Why should he pay it? He won fair and square. What is this, extortion?

Sounds like it to me. I’d be pissed as hell if 1 cent of my Obama contribution goes to her.

I’m going to play Devil’s advocate here for a moment. For the most part, I agree with most of the sentiments here about TBogg’s stance on Hillary. The thought of an unstable warmonger like McCain getting into office to finish what Bush started disturbs me greatly. At the same time, I can understand where TBogg is coming from. If we reflexively vote for the Dem candidate – no matter how bad or repugnant that candidate may be – it disinclines the party from running really good candidates. I think the Bush II years have been great for “centrists” like the DCCC because they know that the DFHs in the party will have to vote for their bland, ineffectual politicos – or, in this case, power-lusting opportunists like HRC. If they know we’ll pull the handle for the Dem anyway, why bother?

The reality on the ground for us is that we do pretty well for ourselves under a Republican administration and I would be willing to take my chances with a solidly Democratic congress, but without her. Sorry folks, but there are a lot of people like us. I know that we’re all supposed to join hands and pull together for a greater more progressive tomorrow and yadda yadda yadda…. but when it comes to Hillary Clinton, fuck that noise.

Wow Tbogg, I think you need to see a doctor about that myopia.

Replace her with him and Hillary Clinton with Barack Obama and we’ll see for certain in November whether “Barack Obama became the better bet”.

Don’t misunderstand, I have never liked/supported Hillary but I like Obama even less and wouldn’t vote for either of them. Not, however, because I can take my chances with McCain (though that’s true for us as well) but because 1) I live in a state neither has a prayer of carrying and 2) I decided in 2004 would be the last time I’d vote for someone merely because they were the Democratic candidate.

I’ve always held the opinion that in this point in time (sadly), a black man will not win in November. Not even a great black candidate (which I don’t think Barack is) – and I wasn’t even thinking about the Jews. But, then again, given how they voted in Palm Beach in 2000 … it could work out for him as it did for Bush/Buchanan.

My lord … the folks over at No Quarter have lost their fucking minds.

From those posting how the DNC had this whole conspiracy that guaranteed an Obama win … to acting as if Clinton’s name on the ballot in Michigan is proof she played by the rules (maybe someone can explain that to me) … to the dumbfucks who think Obama’s NATIONAL campaign ad only ran in Florida rather than, you know, nationally … there is a special group of idiots over there.

Of course, the funny part comes when those fucktards talk about Obama followers being a cult, apparently totally unaware of the hypocrisy and so lacking any level of self awareness.

If the Democratic party splits apart, those people are to blame. Their anointed candidate fucked up, ran a horrible campaign, and has been rejected by a majority of the people. Yet they seem totally incapable of dealing with it and are willing to destroy everything just because they didn’t get their way.

It’s like a bunch of four year olds

I just finished reading a new post by Josh Marshall at TPM. He thinks its less about trying to wrest the nomination amid chaos and more about simply scorching the earth for Obama. By elevating the Fla/Mich thing to voter suppression to rob her, animates and alienates her core supporters and basically screws Obama. I think I’ll invite her over for cocktails.

I decided several months back that I wouldn’t give a shit about who won the Dem primary, as my preferred candidate (Edwards, if you must know) wasn’t going to get the nod, and my feelings for the two remaining choices were less than enthusiastic. I think Obama’s “kumbaya” shtick and Clinton’s “inevitability” routine were equally annoying for a while. But as they felt the nomination slip away, the Hillary camp have become positively revolting.

But I would still have to vote for her against McCain.

And this is why I hate political parties. Screw ‘em all.

A little OT, sorry:

Has Hillary already asked for the Veep spot and been politely but firmly turned down?

http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=1248

Doesn’t it make sense to play this out through the last primaries on June 3? That way, everybody can say, “I got my chance to vote for my candidate.”

even if everybody but Obama had dropped out in January, people would still get their chance to vote. they don’t cancel the primaries just because a candidate has crossed the “presumptive” line (they’re still having GOP primaries, for example).

That link and what I’ve read in the last few hours now make sense. What a brat.

Larry Johnson’s piece is consistent with the view that the actual terrorist threat from Islamic extremists has been oversold, to say the least.

McCain is clearly unfit and the Obama ground operation is huge.

You and I both know that Cliff, and frankly I like to think Bambi meets Godzilla(with McCain as Bambi) – though I’ll be thoroughly pleased if we only get an Ali vs Patterson style win.
I’m just sayin’ – what are the possible consequences for the scorched earthers in the event(and it IS possible) that McCain wins.

Exactly. I’d hold my nose and bring a barf bag, but I’d go and vote for not-McCain.

Envisioning the obviously addled McCain as President is impossible.

From Josh Marshall:

What she’s doing is not securing her the nomination. Rather, she’s gunning up a lot of her supporters to believe that the nomination was stolen from her — a belief many won’t soon abandon. And that on the basis of rationales and arguments there’s every reason to think she doesn’t even believe in.

Clinton’s Calvinball attempts to impress the superdelegates never bothered me. What has bothered me is her exploitation of the ignorance (willful or not) of her supporters, my mother in Florida included.

John McCain is a walking, talking gaffe-o-matic.

Every day he says something ignorant or self-contradictory or both.

Every day.

The only thing holding McCain’s campaign together is the unwillingness of the corporate news media to high-light these gaffes.

But nothing will stop McCain from flip-flopping and mis-stating facts and tying himself ever closer to Bush.

When Joe Klein dons journalist pants to go after you, you should know you’re in trouble.

The worst President in history (inarguably) coupled with (arguably) the worst Presidential campaign in history.

My popcorn is stocked up for the rest of the year, baby!

First, no fucking way for a republican preznit again. No.

Second, I use to like Larry Johnson’s writing, but now the No Quarter crowd and he have “gone off” like cheese in my refrigerator.

Third, Hill embarrasses herself with this latest tantrum, but it will so very soon be forgotten.

i have been a daily lurker on your blog for years tbogg, but i had to create a login so i could express how much you have disappointed me with this post. i have been such a huge fan, but when i read this post i had to check the top again to make sure you had really written it, it seemed so out of character. was it really you, after all these years of mocking and despairing the consequences to innocent people in the us and abroad of the bush administration policies, saying you would vote for mccain because you do okay with a republican in office? as some said above, that is just unworthy of you.

i have never been a hillary supporter (not too excited about obama either, i was an edwards supporter), but i would vote for her a million times over to prevent another republican administration from continuing to fuck our country.

i guess as long as you do okay, it’s no big deal whether president mccain bombs iran. your daughter won’t have to go die over there so big whoop if others do! others have already mentioned the fact that the next president will have supreme court appointments. the continued wiretapping of citizens and state approved torture are also dandy with you i guess, as long as YOU do okay.

i have little patience for the crazy delusional hillary supporters, but i have even less for petulant tantrum throwers who would enable a mccain victory because hillary is “destroying the democratic party”. boo hoo! i guess you agree then with the nader voters from 2000 that there was no difference between gore and bush, if hillary is so bad you’d rather have another republican presidency because you do okay under republicans.

grow up.

Funny, you never struck me as particularly impressionable. I do hope this is a put on or a bit of Obama campaigning, lord knows we get plenty of that. I’d hate to think you’re really this much of a fucking moron.

Surely it’s classic TBogg, mocking the Hillary supporters. How often have we heard them say that they absolutely “WILL. NOT. VOTE. FOR. OBAMA.” because he’s part of a “vast DNC conspiracy!” ?? Ridiculous.

Right, TBogg? Now hurry up and post some new pics of Darling Fenway and the boys!

Why would a Democratic majority with a Republican president behave any different than they do now? Without veto-proof majority, which doesn’t seem too likely even with pickup prospects looking great, there is not much evidence to support the idea that Dems will not capitulate on important issues like they have been doing.

Life isn’t that great “on the ground” for a lot of people. It’s getting rapidly worse and that’s not the usual election hyperbole. The housing and credit problems along with oil prices are having real, significantly noticeable effects on day to day life. The ripple effects are tremendous and we’ve not seen the end of it by a long shot.

This is where it comes down to economic class divisions. Some in the middle class, and certainly a good deal more in the upper classes, believe they are sufficiently comfortable (financially) as to be insulated from another Republican Bush-style president and a weak-willed Democratic controlled Congress. I think they’re wrong but my point is that there is a nugget of truth about college-educated white collar middle class Democrats not really giving a shit about people in the lower classes. This post, along with the Clinton supporters who won’t vote Dem out of spite, is all the proof you need.

Tbogg, I really hope you and your family weather another 4 or 8 years of the same thing. I’m pretty sure I won’t. I haven’t had a raise in two years and other job prospects I’ve explored all mean a significant pay cut for a few years until I can move up ranks again. My health insurance is now a little over $600 a month and I’m getting “friendly” call from my insurer asking if I need any guidance in taking advantage of public health programs. With food costs up at my local store over the last five months, I have less than $200 a month after paying bills to try and have some sort of life with (and I know having any extra makes me very fortunate compared to others). None of those situations will improve with a Republican president and weak Dems and if the last 7 years are any guide, they’ll continue to get worse. And I can’t gamble that Congressional Dems will suddenly find a real backbone after all these years and put a stop to it unless they have that massive majority.

I was an Edwards supporter. After he left I put myself behind Clinton because there were not significant enough differences between her and Obama (to me) except on healthcare, which Obama was/is weirdly weak on — his plan was strengthened mostly because Edwards and Clinton believed in good healthcare as a Democratic value and had better plans. Now that Obama looks to be the nominee, I’m behind him even though having HIV makes a better healthcare plan than his hugely important. But supporting him is simple because I understand that not getting what I want doesn’t mean I should try and screw others out of a little improvement in their lives.

Kenga, trying out your “stabbed in the back” excuse/threat already? What happened to your regularly scheduled obnoxiously certain confidence?

To all those who would vote Nader or McCain, or not vote, one reply…
John Paul Stevens just turned 88. He’s not immortal. And we don’t need to give over any more votes on the Court. And if you think McCain won’t appoint another Roberts or Alito, you’re a frickin’ idiot. If you think a Democratic Senate could hypothetically stop that, you haven’t been paying attention.
I like Obama, will probably give him money to run in the general. But if Hill turns out to be the nominee, like the commenter above, I’ll crawl over broken glass to vote for her.

Tbogg,
As coldH2Owi said: … “everything you said about Sen. Clinton is true & spot on, it’s your solution that really pisses me off.”

I luv ya tbogg, but my gawd man, pull your head outta your ass. I’m equally disgusted with the Hillary supporters who claim they’ll vote McSame or stay home if Hill isn’t the nominee.

I’ll be crawling over broken glass to vote for her also if she’s the nominee, but it’s not gonna happen. Not unless those freakin’ superduper delegates go batshit crazy, and that won’t happen — will it? Huh?

Actually, this:
“And it was at that time that her people decided that, if they couldn’t raise a village of Clinton voters, they were going to destroy the village.

Quite frankly I have never seen such a gross example of intellectual dishonesty, disregard for reality on the ground, and shamelessness since, well, actually the last time Bill Kristol was on TV, but never mind that.”

…was the part that pissed me off. Seriously, you sound like Rush Limbaugh. You just can’t be this much of a hack or an asshole, can you?

I mean, really, the temerity of that bitch to think she should actually campaign. Makes me sick.

Kodos ‘08: At Least We’ll Be Shooting At Other Planets.

Cthulhu ‘08: Why Settle for the Lesser Evil?

Wow the temerity of that bitch to continue her campaign knowing she has no chance of winning, in the meantime, her silliest and stupidest supporters make absurd claims of being victims … of … of … not getting enough votes to secure enough pledged delegates to secure the fucking nomination!

Save that shit for TalkLeft.

He’ll never pay her debt now.

Lori said it for me, and so did seventwentyfour. For God’s sake — no, for the sake of sanity and empathy, two things the Republicans don’t have — if we fall into the old, old, OLD leftie trap of hating our own deviants more than we hate the opposition, we’re fucked. Hillary may be all those things you say, TBogg, but we’re not voting for saints and heroes; we’re voting for people to run the government.

seriously, does anyone know why she stays in?

maybe if she thows a big eoungh hissy fit they’ll seat MI & FL as is,
which will bring her close enough to bribe/intimidate/blackmail
enough superdelegates while booking a national speaking tour for
jeremiah wright and …

yeah! it’s just crazy enough to work.

i’d still vote for her over mcsenile, though. no one willl survive
another four years of repbulican fiscal treason. not even the ones
who have done pretty well for themselves under a republican
administration.

put mccain in the white house and our next stop will be the weimar
republic.

Hillary’s dishonesty has me in the same position as Tbogg. She could not possibly have done more, nor continue to do more, to make me detest her more than I have come to.

For now, I’m trying not to make a hard and fast decision. I’m pretending that my feelings are like those of someone just coming from a funeral for kid killed by a cop, and maybe I’ll mellow out in a few months.

Then again, the likelihood is that Obama will win the nomination, so I’ll probably be spared talking myself into voting for a repugnant bitch like Hillary just to avoid McSame.

I really used to love CalvinBall.

I’d still vote for her if she got the nomination, but God, has that lady done more to make me hate her in the last few months than every politician this side of Bush.

I hate hate hate her. Still, I’d vote any D over any R, but she does not deserve to win and I think it will be a crying shame if she does, and I fear for the country.

She’d be out in four years, then we’d have 8 of starting in 2012. Guaranteed.