Comments on: Never give up, never surrender!

By: makeitstop

makeitstop — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:54:54 +0000

We’d be idiots to think otherwise. They saw how well the Brooks Brothers riots working in Fl (2000), and they will certainly continue/expand on this theme. Why mess with success?

By: Tehanu

Tehanu — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 05:57:04 +0000

I have no trouble believing this. I don’t put ANYTHING past them, including setting the Reichstag fire.

By: 4jkb4ia

4jkb4ia — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:21:19 +0000

Either despite polls which show Obama consolidating the Democratic vote he has not closed the deal or NQ and Confluence are benefiting from some of the other pro-Hillary blogs getting on the Obama train. Jeralyn did have to say that a Heller thread was “not about Obama” but I have not seen what is going on in the comments there anymore.

By: Fern

Fern — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:38:06 +0000

It does have that tone.

Though it seems to be good for traffic on some blogs. NQs traffic is through the roof in June.

By: charlesV

charlesV — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:35:52 +0000

I’m pretty sure the whole PUMA thing is a coordinated astroturf-style strategy by republican operatives to keep the democratic infighting going, at least in the eyes of the media. Notice how ‘clusters’ of anti-Obama ranters tend to pop up in comment threads simultaneously in large numbers, all shouting the same talking points.

By: woodrowfan

woodrowfan — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:18:03 +0000

Amanda at Pandagon found that the person who started the PUMA PAC was a McCain supporter in 2000.

http://pandagon.net/index.php/.....gh_murphy/

By: UgluksFlea

UgluksFlea — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:04:35 +0000

The whole PUMA thing (other than the GOP shit stirrers) reminds me of a few really nasty divorce fights I have observed - it’s not about what’s best for you, or the kids, or even anyone: It’s about hurting the ones that hurt you.

If any noticeable public actions are taken, I would be really surprised if the main actors are sincere Hillarites, as opposed to GOP rat fuckers. I think the sincere ones are more interested in getting on a good self righteous ragegasm than actually getting out from behind their keyboards.

By: moondancer

moondancer — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:00:06 +0000

Holding your nose while voting for your second choice is a time honored democratic party tradition. Revenge vote for a mentally ill misogynist who probably wont make it through his term is not.

By: Hatmandu

Hatmandu — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 13:56:05 +0000

So, if I understand this correctly, if the PUMA’s tantrums result in a McBush presidency, and the issues they hold so near and dear to their hearts are catapulted backwards, they will be satisfied into silence? I suggest they study another literary reference potentiality before they head to the voting booth.

By: VonZeppelin

VonZeppelin — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 13:22:29 +0000

I have been an active Democrat since high school days, and I cast my first vote for George McGovern in ‘72. Over all those years, one important fact has finally sunk in with me: in any given election, the Jesus Christ/FDR ticket is not running. We weigh the fact that the Democratic candidate may disappoint us in some respects (FISA, for example) against the Republican candidate and the Naders, Perots, Wallaces (George or Henry, depending on our vintage), and we make our choice. Of course the hard-core Hillarians are angry and disappointed. We old Gene McCarthy people know the feeling all too well. Please believe me, PUMAs, you won’t feel better if you help elect McCain. Calm down, and do the right thing for your party and for your country.