It was an elbow in the ribs from his wife that drove Ken Lane to his first purity ball with their daughter Hannah, now 11. Tonight is their fourth, and they are sitting in the gold-and-white Broadmoor ballroom, picking at the chicken Florentine and trying to explain what they’re doing here. "My kids are on loan to me for a season; it’s important how I use that time," Ken is saying as a string quartet plays softly. "There’s a lot for us to talk through–the decisions she’ll have to make are more complex. I want to be close enough to her that she can come talk to me. That’s what my wife understood. I didn’t understand the role dads can play to set her up for success."
In the face of the hook-up culture of casual sexual experimentation, he explains, with its potential physical and emotional risks, he wants to model an alternative. Even with older teenagers, many of these families don’t believe in random dating but rather intentional dating, which typically begins with a young man’s asking a father for permission to get to know his daughter. Lane was so stymied by how exactly that conversation would go that he even asked Randy Wilson if he could sit at a nearby table and listen in one day when Wilson met one of Khrystian’s potential suitors at a local Starbucks. "We’re trying to be realistic," Lane says. "I’m not ready to be like India–have arranged marriages. But there is some wisdom there, in that at least the parents are involved."
This, of course, is the kind of conversation that makes critics howl. What about a young woman’s right to date whomever she pleases, make her own mistakes, learn from the experience, find out who she is and what matters to her? To which the Wilsons and their allies reply: If you still think this is just about sex, you are missing the whole point. The message, they say, is about integrity, being whole people, heart and soul and body.
[...]
After dinner comes the ballet performance, when seven tiny ballerinas in white tulle float in; then seven older dancers carry in a large, heavy wooden cross, which they drape in white, with a crown of thorns. Four of the five Wilson daughters are among the dancers, and they offer a special dance to their father, to the music of Natalie Grant: Your faith, your love And all that you believe Have come to be the strongest part of me And I will always be your baby …
Then Randy and his friend Kevin Moore stand in front of the cross, holding up two large swords, points crossed. Fathers and daughters process beneath the swords to kneel; the girls place a white rose at the base of the cross while the fathers offer a quiet blessing.
Finally. A subject on which I can speak with some authority.
I am a father.
Specifically I am the father of a teen-aged girl/young lady/woman. I think that she is a special kid, but then most parents tend to think that their kids are special (and not in that Lucianne Goldberg somebody-hire-my-idiot-son way). I don’t live in some backwater town where we fear the encroachment of "the culture" infecting our kids via the TV or the internets or the jungle rhythms of that crazee hippity-hop music. I live in the belly of the beast with enough bars and tattoo parlors to make Richard Cohen shvitz himself stupid. On Sunday mornings when you’re watching your neighbors hop in their minivans to go to church, we watch "recent acquaintances" of our neighbors stumble out of apartments or condos trying to remember where they parked their cars the night while attempting to make the best of Saturday night’s clothes – usually sans underwear and only God knows where that is and, as usual, he ain’t talking.
Which is to say: we don’t live in Mayberry R.F.D.
And yet, somehow, without any SuperJesus instructions, moral coaching, or deep dark midnights of the soul, the Lovely & Talented Casey has managed to grow up into a smart, confident, relatively normal human being if you can get past her sense of humor which, if you believe my wife, is exclusively my fault. No Purity Balls, no Stadiums Full O’Losers Promise Keepers , no invocations of stern-faced SkyDad, no grim navel-gazing, no life plan until marriage takes her off my hands.
Here is my secret to being a good dad:
Don’t be an fucking idiot.
No. Really.
Just because they are the fruit of your loins doesn’t mean you have to lose your shit and start panicking. Use common sense. Talk to them a lot, but listen even more. Realize that they are just like you were when you were their age and they will try to get away with things. Don’t be surprised when they do that; you’re weren’t that special. Let them make mistakes, but let them know that there will be repercussions and, no, it won’t be a bolt of lightning from the Hairy Thunderer above. You can’t always be there to catch them when they fall, but you can teach them and equip them to save themselves. Kids have incredible bullshit detectors and you are a lousy liar: never forget that. The first step to being honest with your kids is being honest with yourself. Not everything that happens is a matter of life and death so quit acting like it is.
And if you think a vow of chastity made by a twelve year-old during a farcical virgin pageant in a Holiday Inn ballroom is going to hold up against the tidal wave of teenage hormones to come, well, you’re a bigger fucking idiot than even your kids think you are.
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Does this procede to the exchange of camels or other livestock? Ah, tradition.
I suspect the Purity Dads and Promise Keepers are the same people who yammer constantly about honor killings and the e-villes of Islamofascism. They haven’t the wit to recognize that their purity bullshit is based on the exact same premise: Women are property, and their “virtue” is to be jealously guarded by their male proprietors.
I’ve been a Tbogg lurker for a long time, so I may have some additional insight into why the L&T C turned out well. True, you’re not a fucking idiot, and that’s part of it. But you’ve also apparently modeled love and respect for Mrs. Tbogg. A daughter who grows up in such a household will likely expect the same treatment for herself. And that standard will provide more protection than a thousand virgin pageants, crossed swords, crowns of thorns and white tulle-clad ballerinas.
Khrystian?!?!?
I had to get that off my chest first.
Excellent post in a long line of them, Tbogg — as Betty Cracker noted above, the key to well-adjusted kids is to set a good example. The Missus and I have tried to do just that, and knowing that our kids will eventually make some mistakes, have tried to give them some “instant experience” by telling them some of the ones we’ve made ourselves (well, not everything).
The kids still get a kick out of some of my college-age “drunk stories.”
Sigh.
For the love of God, don’t these people realize that chicken Florentine is from Florence? That’s Eye-talian! Those people are horny buggers and there food makes you horny, too. Next time, I suggest a nice, calming bowl of communion wafers washed down with Jaysus’ blood.
Seriously, how long before these morons turn to female genital mutilation?
“Seriously, how long before these morons turn to female genital mutilation?”
That’s probably coming in the next phase of Operation American Teenage (Girl) Purity…
As the father of two sons, I only need to worry about two penises, not
dozenshundredsthousandsmillions of them.Heh, if you know what I mean.
On the other hand, I demand, DEMAND I tell you, equal time and a purity ball for boys. Fair’s fair.
Or would that be kinda icky?
Ha. No ickier than the ones for girls.
Purity Balls: Incest without the guilt or legal exposure.
No, seriously.
Khrystian???
People have just got to stop doing this crap. Why not call the kid “Hi, I’m just waiting here at this bus stop to get the hell away from this?”
“a purity ball for boys” — I think it’s called a kegger…
As for the purity balls (can’t help but love the plural of that concept): as tbogg says, “Kids have incredible bullshit detectors” and that is why this ridiculous concept is sure to fail. I refuse to believe the majority of these poor kids dance around with huge wooden crosses (wtf?) because they sincerely believe in this shit; rather, it’s the repressive and archaic approach to parenting practiced by their misguided and panic stricken parents that leave the kids no option but to go along with the pageantry. They’re twelve years old for christ’s sakes, they really can’t rebel just yet. But the whole thing is bound to backfire all the worse the second the kids see their chance to screw around just to spite their idiot father.
There’s nothing more distasteful than faux piety, except maybe the objectification of your daughter under the guise of faux piety.
So the fathers stand there holding their swords out, and they make their little daughters kneel in front of them…
They just don’t do subtle, do they?
There’s tooooooo much of the pagan in all of this, with the swords (phallic symbols) and the flowers (vaginal symbols) coming together in a ceremony with I don’t know, flames and maybe an elephant and trained bears…
Hey, being worried about your kids is NORMAL. Focusing ONLY on the girls… understandable, from the viewpoint of a guy (the father) who went out to score as much pussy as he could (survey shows! very little). I wonder how many of these ‘responsible’ dads spend time at Hooters?
And is it no coincidence that Hooters is big in the south/bible belt…
With the advances in materials and alloys since the dark ages, chastity belts could be virtually invisible…
Have to agree completely. My basic premise was don’t sweat the small stuff. Piercings, tattoos, hairstyles, clothes, and the like really do not matter all that much, especially for teenagers. Make them aware of any potential consequences and let them make their own choices. Children learn to make responsible choices by being allowed the responsibility of actually making choices. Seems to have worked pretty well. My son has grown into a responsible and good man and seems to be doing well with his own kids.
“They gave her a charm for her bracelet–a lock in the shape of a heart. Her father has the key. “On my wedding day, he’ll give it to my husband,” she explains. “It’s a symbol of my father giving up the covering of my heart, protecting me, since it means my husband is now the protector. He becomes like the shield to my heart, to love me as I’m supposed to be loved.”
Wow. Just. Wow.
Hopefully, her husband will have a good job with a good health insurance policy. She’s going to need years and years of therapy.
The Van Morrison caption made my day. Overlooked, underrated genius.
“…a purity ball for boys.” Actually, I think that’s called a “Comic Con.”
(Spit take) WHAT??!!??!! People go to MORE THAN ONE of these things? She’s 11 years old and her parents have dragged her to FOUR?
Hey David, I got an idea how you can teach your daughters not to be promiscuous and not have a lot of boyfriends. Can you take SEVEN fucking guesses what it is?
This guy’s level of projection could be used to land a man on Mars.
Don’t be an fucking idiot.
It’s totally amazing how the volumes of advice on so many different subjects can be reduced to these five words.
Not having any children of my own, I was under the impression that the key to successful parenting was Basset Hounds.
Remembering the Texas attempts with that Religious sect.
How many girls break away from that crap?
Well said, as always, Tbogg. Me too; I have two daughters, one 21 and the other 15, and they’ve turned out just fine without me once ever worrying about their “purity.” Salt Lake City isn’t San Diego but it isn’t Hicksville either, and there are plenty of temptations and pitfalls here. A couple of things came to mind when I first saw the reaction to the TIME article; first, it’s Colorado Springs, what do you expect? A bigger gathering of christian fundie wackos you won’t find this side of the Yearning For Zion ranch; Colorado Springs is worse than Utah, for the gods sake. And speaking of YFZ, I wrote to TIME and asked them to tell me the difference between some of the photos that went with that article, with those creepy guys all but feeling up their young daughters, and the one of Warren Jeffs, the notorious polygamist, laying a not-very-fatherly kiss on a 12 year old girl. I doubt I’ll get an answer.
As someone who pretty much shares your outlook on life and fits the same age bracket – with a daughter who’s now Casey’s age, I have to confess to going to a few daddy-daughter dances up here in the sticks of Maine. Thank Allah that these were free of any sexual-religious connotations. It was basically 2 hours of standing around with some of my neighbor-dads, while our daughters did their group dance thing. Gawd, the music was just awful and I only went because it seemed to mean a lot to my daughter, dress up and all.
Still, I look back to these times as kind of special, a time that will only remain as a memory (sigh). Funny, I never looked forward to these dances, but I’m glad now that I didn’t blow them off.
They gave her a charm for her bracelet–a lock in the shape of a heart. Her father has the key. “On my wedding day, he’ll give it to my husband,” she explains.
So Daddy gives his daughter a heart-shaped lock, &he keeps the key until she’s married.
So what does the daughter give to Daddy?
A saw-off shotgun, she keeps the shells?
You know…in case she slips up…
As a young teen, it was fun to go to weekend camp sponsored by the local Methodist church. Many kids were there that didn’t belong to that church. We had fun. Those were good make-out sessions.
I just feel so sorry for these guys, you know? The vast majority of them are totally bewildered by the demands fatherhood has placed on them–principally the demand to be a loving, attentive, generous, thoughtful human being to another one or two little people. This whole purity ball shtick is, like promise keepers, a way to explain to these losers what a normal human being and a normal family simply does by nature–stick together, love each other, try to bring each other along as best you can, stick up for each other, enjoy each other’s company. They don’t know how to do that so they need someone (the wife, the church, the purity ball organizer) to structure it for them.
Myself, I think my spouse and I are just natural parents. We enjoy being with our little girls because they are interesting to us. And we are, for now, interesting to them. We spend time together because that is fun to do. Last night we pitted twenty pounds of cherries and baked a cherry cake while my husband read out loud to us to keep us from getting bored. I don’t think of them as insane, or pre-slut, or something. As they age I guess they’ll figure some stuff out, and other things they might ask me about. We really aren’t going to need to head into a ballroom with a dozen or a thousand other people for them to grasp that we are there for them if they need us.
But these guys are so frightened and so unsure of themselves and their relatinoships that they think they need this stuff. They are like natural swimmers who insist on wearing floaties and clinging to the lifeguard and insist they will drown if they don’t. Its pathetic, but not surprising. Its all in Susan Faludi’s book “Stiffed”–these guys weren’t parented well. They are looking for the father’s they never had. And their strict sex segretationist attitudes means that the daughters they have (as well as their sons) are an utter mystery to them.
aimai
I just wonder, when did being the father of a girl become all about sex? A friend of mine had a daughter, and people were coming up to him and talking about boyfriends and shotguns when she was one day old. One day!
I really think there’s something wrong with the way society regards the father/daughter relationship, like a father cannot possibly understand or talk to this alien creature he has spawned. His role as a parent is to guard the hymen and that’s it. What kind of parenting is that?
I’m glad you brought up “Stiffed”. The section on Promise Keepers is a wonderful combination of hilarious, bone-chilling, and sad.
Just like the Doughy Pantload’s attempts at sex.
But with less wheezing.
sophronia,
You are *so* right. I know it just rolls right off my husband’s back because he’s utterly clueless but I’ve certainly had people say stuff like that to me. My oldest daughter is eleven, and, to my biased eyes, very beautiful (probably won’t last if the rest of the family is any clue) but I had another woman walk up to me and say “you’d better get a dog” and I said “what?” and she said “to keep the boys away!” Keep the boys away? She’s fucking eleven and she’s a foot taller than the boys in her class. I’ve heard tons of this shit and we live in the most liberal, evolue (accent here) kind of place. I’m just stunned by how obsessed people are with girls/beauty/sex when the rest of us are worrying about the cost of education and the future jobs they’ll have. I mean, jesus, sex is just *one part of life* its not everything. Its not even everything when you are a teenager, its often just a marker of other stuff or a way of keeping social score in the hierarchy.
And hey, tbogg, I feel like I’ve been touched by…hm…well, not an angel, of course, but I feel honored you descended to the mud pit that is your own comments section. You are a great dad and really an inspiration to the rest of us.
aimai
Oh, forgot to comment on this from the post up above:
This reminds me irresistibly of a line from Modesty Blaise
“Keep at it, old son, and maybe you’ll figure out what causes it, eh?”
To all the Silver Ring, Purity Dad and Promise Keeper-types:
Those little trinkets with which you just took hostage your preteen daughter’s sexuality are going to look pretty funny on her a few years from now when some guy (or girl) is wearing her ass for a hat.
Jus’ sayin.’
Ass for a hat. I’m going to use that, thanks…
In high school, one of my friends dated the son of a well-known local fundie doctor, who was completely obsessed that my friend was going to steal his boy’s “virtue.” Went out and got him a “promise
not to have sex after midnightsex at all till married” ring for him and everything, eventually forcing them to break up.The son’s next course of action? I’m not making this up- getting a girl pregnant on a church choir trip.
Nice post, TBogg.
As a pastor and the father of a six year old, let me say that you’ve summed it up nicely. On behalf of my 6 year old, thanks for the advice.
Down the road, if I’m ever fortunate enough to have him ask me where I got advice on being a good dad, I’ll pass your name along.
Noooooo! Doesn’t he know that’s where they offer abortions while you wait?
The 9 kids/7 women thing is bad enough, but Stage 4 inoperable lung cancer and he’s still smoking? Granted, quitting won’t change anything but the example might do some good. He never planned to have children by seven different women: wonder if he has ever heard the old saw “failure to plan is planning to fail”? As a professional animal breeder, I think he understands the mechanics . . . .
I have an idea! Maybe if the daughter has sex and breaks her promise of purity, we should stone her for destroying the family honor.
What do these people think? Do they honestly believe that when this girl is drunk out her head on the local hillbilly moonshine that she’s gonna stop half-way to third base to insist that her equally drunk boyfriend go to her house and get to know her parent’s first? Because, if teenagers are known for one thing, its being completely honest and straightforward with their parents and making wise responsible decisions.
So let me get this straight, the dad holds a sword over his daughter’s neck as he asks her to make this purity pledge? Am I reading that correctly? I’d promise my dad a lot of things if he had a sword above my head, not like there are many 8 – 11 year old girls who are actively planning to have premarital sex to begin with.
Assuming kids did actually keep this pledge, the likely outcome is to have a whole bunch of 18 year olds getting married, and a whole lotta 22 year olds getting divorced.
And didn’t Britney Spears and Jessica Simpson both promise to save themselves for marriage (and I think Jessica may actually have). Look how well that worked out.
Years ago that might have been true; but now all bets are off. In the middle of PromiseSeekerLand in NC, one junior high shut down for a day after two seventh graders engaged in oral sex on a dare in front of the whole classroom while the teacher briefly stepped outside into the hallway. The District brought in a SWAT-style trauma team of psychologists and social workers to reassure the kiddies exposed to the “horrors,” for the next few weeks. I’m sure the whole experience paled in comparison to the water buffaloes “going at it” on “Animal Planet.”