I used to have a friend who taught classes in psychology at UCSD who, when Jehovah’s Witnesses or Mormons came to his door, would invite them in, offer them lunch or cookies and, after professing interest in what they were selling, would explain his theories about how religion (and in particular their flavor of religion) was complete bullshit. The problems for his visitors was that, because he was such a charming happy guy, they never saw it coming, and even after they realized that they had been sandbagged, they still felt that they could win. They thought they were collecting a soul, but instead ended up desperately trying hang onto their own
We used to think it was funny, but also cruel in a way, because he was trying to destroy everything that they believed in and you got the feeling that he was leaving them with nothing except doubt and an empty plate where the cookies used to sit.
I was reminded of this today when reading the comments over at Crunchy Con Rod Dreher’s place. Unsurprisingly Dreher has got a full blown Palin-woody causing all the blood to drain from his head and head for his heart with, maybe, a side trip to his naughty parts.
Not wishing to see Rod make a fool of himself, which is like asking him to not pray or breathe, reader JPL sums up Dreher’s entire live in just a few acid-etched paragraphs:
Rod, you’re the living embodiment of the old phrase "there’s a sucker born every minute." Look, regardless of this woman’s qualities, many of which do truly seem to be fine, she isn’t the President. And, before Cheney, VP’s didn’t get to do a hell of a lot. It’s still McCain at the top of the ticket, and everything that was wrong with him before remains wrong with him now. More war, more tax cuts, more support for the rich and powerful, more torture, more unilateral international relations, more Bush. He’ll just have an attractive woman near him who shares your values, and who, given his treatment of women in the past, he will completely ignore. Your best hope is that he drops dead, leaving her in charge. And then you’ll discover that all those nifty Alaskan values don’t get you very far in the rough and tumble of global politics.
(It’s worth noting, I lived in Alaska for years, and though I hate stereotyping, most Alaskans were the most short-sighted, backward people I’ve ever lived among. And I’ve lived in 8 countries.)
But there you are, bursting with eagerness to pull that lever for the Republicans again. And two years in, when things have gotten even worse, you’ll do just what you did with Bush…just what you did with Catholicism. After singing their praises endlessly, you’ll turn on them, with surly descriptions of how they fooled you, and how could you have known?
Except that millions of people did know. They don’t fool you…you keep fooling yourself. You’re so desperate for the world to be the way you think it should be, the world you’ll feel safe in, that you just can’t accept that it isn’t now, and it’s never going to be that world again. Hell, I doubt it ever was, except in your own fevered fantasies. But you’ll blame it on someone else, switch teams again, and wait for the next wunderkind to show up and promise a blissful return to traditional Christian values and a bucolic life on the farm.
It’s a good thing you’re happily married. As a single man, it would be hard to imagine how any even vaguely clever gold-digger wouldn’t take you for all you’re worth in a few months. I think you should consider renaming your genre from Crunchy Con to Gushingly Gullible.
If it didn’t mean the continued ruin of our nation, and the future of my children, it would be almost endearing. As it is, it just seems sad how traditional Conservatives will keep selling this country right down the gutter for the smallest possibility that their values will once again dominate the public discourse.
Ouch. That gonna leave a stigmata…




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Oh my. Somebody just got told there is no Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, or Tooth Fairy. That is going to leave a mark.
Whoever JPL is, they certainly got the the heart of the matter very nicely.
I’d feel bad for him, and them, if it wasn’t my country they were dragging down the toilet.
I shit you not; today’s WaPo headlines “With Pick, McCain Reclaims His Maverick Image.” In any other world the headline would read “With Pick, McCain Confirms His Lack of Judgment.”
The level of Republican cynicism and the disdain they have for their fellow Americans reached no heights or depths yesterday. Read more. http://www.tagg-lines.com/2008…..-time.html
This is where control of the media comes in handy. There are a couple hundred million blank slates waiting to be told what happened. Palin is the fifth head for Rushmore.
The last time those nice Mormon boys gave me a copy of the Book of Mormon, I offered them a book on atheism, and they turned me down. That not fair!
I had a very similar experience to JPL’s friend a few years ago. I engaged a Jehovah’s Witness and listened very politely, to the point where this person came back to my house on three straight Saturdays. Over those visits, I started to break down his world view you could almost see behind the glassy stare parts of his brain that have been dormant start to fire. And at the time, I did feel a little bad, but then I realized helping someone to critically think, no matter how painful, is never a bad thing.
Isn’t this really nostalgia for a Golden Age that never was? It’s a growth industry in England, selling the days of the Raj to people who really can’t remember it but are sure it was better than today. JPL hit all the right notes: it really is a mass delusion of some sort, and it’s tragic how many people are pining for an illusory past when they could be building a better future.
That is exactly what got Reagan elected and canonized. The GOP has been consciously creating this magical, mythical past where everything was perfect, women and minorities knew their place, and all the white folks ate petite fours off doilies and never had to work. They then promise to bring it back if he people will just give them unlimited power.
This is what happens to people when they’re so full of shit it turns their eyes brown.
Love the post you quote. It’s truly sad, the way people keep deceiving themselves into voting Republican, and then look around and blink, wondering what went wrong.
Incidentally, I have two English Mastiffs, average weight 200 lbs apiece. They’re very handy with door-to-door missionaries. By the time I finish answering breed/weight/age/life expectancy/amount of food/and allow them to take pictures, they often walk off without realizing they’ve forgotten to mention God… by which time I’m firmly shutting the door behind them.
On Real Time last night, Tim Kaine (Gov. of Virginia) remarked that McCain chose Palin on the basis of having “only talked to her once last February in person.” He contacts her by “cell phone during the Alaska state fair last week and decided to offer her the job.” He doesn’t know her, hasn’t worked with her and yet “she’s going to be a heartbeat away from the presidency.” Either some Rove-like committee is making all the decisions for him or he’s an impulsive idiot who sees the usefulness over the short term of co-campaigning with a beauty-contest-winning “hockey mom” with huntin’ skills. She’ll appeal primarily to the Duggar-family types (particularly the born-again women) with the Christian values.
I tried to lose my religion but the fundies keep running after me waving it and saying “You dropped something. You dropped something.”
Rod Dreher, meet mirror.
Mirror, show Rod Dreher what a total waste his life has been.
Rod Dreher, commence the crying.
Heh.
PS–stigmata is plural. The singular is stigmatus.
Sarah Palin: the lipstick on the McCain pig.
That is good will remember
in the event that the winner cannot fulfill his duties, he will be replaced by … a prom queen from alaska?
you’re kidding, right?
this can’t be a play for the puma vote. mccain must know they’re part media creation part republican astroturf. he does know that, right? so he’s blowing a chance to get pennsylvania (via tom ridge) to shore up his base? not a good sign for the bad guys
Actually, I think the singular is stigma.
i kept wishing he would pick lieberman in the hope that super joe would do for them what he did for us..
and the winner is …
stigma. (i looked it up.)
Ouch. That gonna leave a stigmata…
Stigma might be correct, but stigmata is funny. Give the poet his license.
Sarah Palin: the lipstick on the McCain pig.
Good one. Very, very good one.
Standing corrected.
Tbogg said: “We used to think it was funny, but also cruel in a way, because he was trying to destroy everything that they believed in and you got the feeling that he was leaving them with nothing except doubt and an empty plate where the cookies used to sit.”
Relax, TBogg, there is no chance your friend had any effect on the beliefs of the Jehovah’s Witnesses. I doubt your friend believed what he said would make any difference either. He may simply have been giving them a taste of their own medicine, which might make them a tiny, tiny bit more uncomfortable knocking on people’s doors, but nothing he said was going to have any impact on their faith or beliefs.
Unfortunately, much the same is true today of political beliefs. Rational repudiation of idiocy doesn’t have a chance, except maybe in rare cases.
“Incidentally, I have two English Mastiffs, average weight 200 lbs apiece.”
The 4 Akitas here, avg. wt. 120 lbs., have the same effect. They have no tolerance of those shilling for god.
Oh, brother. Federer has to play Stepanek, who is the sort of player he has routinely been losing to all year.
Brilliant smackdown.
Kei Nishikori, folks!
“They don’t fool you…you keep fooling yourself. You’re so desperate for the world to be the way you think it should be, the world you’ll feel safe in, that you just can’t accept that it isn’t now, and it’s never going to be that world again. Hell, I doubt it ever was, except in your own fevered fantasies. But you’ll blame it on someone else, switch teams again, and wait for the next wunderkind to show up and promise a blissful return to…”
Gee, that sounds like anybody who believes in a politician, either Rep or Dem, more than themselves and their own community of interest. If you look for a savior, check the mirror first. If you advertise for a savior, you’re going to get taken every single time.
I had a friend who, whenever he saw the Witnesses or the Mormons coming, would make sure he answered the door naked.