Due to a lack of time, I don’t watch a whole lot of teevee but when I came home last night the delightful and perky mrs tbogg was watching Rachel Maddow and I was able to watch this exchange with David Frum:
If you don’t know who David Frum is (and why should you?) he’s most famous for coining the comic-bookish "Axis of Evil" for George W. Bush and then promptly being fired when his dimwitted wife emailed all of her equally dimwitted friends in wifely pride at his achievement. Once this got out, Frum simply had to go because President Bush is not only The Decider, he’s also the Maker Uppper of Sophomoric Names and don’t you forget it, Buster. Or Stretch. Or Turdblossom. Or whatever…
As you can tell from the clip, Frum is a Deeply Serious Man troubled by these Deeply Serious Times and he can’t understand why people are laughing at his party’s laughable candidate particularly at a time when the world is turning into poo. It could well be that Frum is down on the dumps because
A) His party is going to lose big
B) Sarah Palin might become the Vice President and that scares the hell out of David.
…or it could be that Frum just has no sense of humor anymore. After all, if you had to go every night to a wife who wrote drivel like this:
Ladeezman42: aw man
Ladeezman42: look I KNO ur sore
Ladeesman42: k?
Ladeezman42: I.GET.IT.
Ladeezman42: things aint goin so well
Ladeezman42: but it aint cuzza me k?
Ladeezman42: this phony blak boyz bttr than we thot
Ladeezman42: thinks hes gna b the 1st blak prez
Ladeezman42: dude *I* wuz th 1st blak prez!
Ladeezman42: GOT IT?
Ladeezman42: aint no 1 gna take that away
Ladeezman42: & 4 sur no crackr gna stop th 1st chik prez neithr
Ladeezman42: aint gna happnHillary4Change: Take action and vote for real change! Join Team Hillary now!
…you might never laugh again.
Hell, there are methods of suicide that are less painless…
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Hey! That’s MY Bush nickname: Whatever!
Frumulous Banter Snatched
The awesomeness overwhelms. Carroll would be proud.
The nitwits at NRO all grossly overestimate their smarts and their moral high ground, when in fact they are embarrassingly stupid and eat feces. My proof? Jonah Goldberg..
Back to this slaughter, Frum old buddy, when you have the mental acuity of a block of pine, be careful who you cross swords with. Oh by the way, you are bleeding out.
So why are we importing wingnuts? Don’t we have a surplus of home-grown idiots?
Damn, what’s with all the juicy kaka references today? Tbogg talks about the world turning to poo, moondancer is on about eating feces. C’mon, people lighten up: shit happens.
Frum (who is secretly jealous that Krugman got a Nobel just ’cause he can do numbers and shit, while Frum wasn’t even nominated for one in spite of his awesomest writing skills) just needs to lie low for a bit, but it’s a given that some clueless candidate will eventually come along and hire him — heck, it might even be a Democrat.
I watched this live and was amazed at Rachel. Here was this guy, having been invited on her show, throwing bombs at her, insulting her, smearing her, and clearly thinking he could get away with it because the “normal bounds of politeness” and General TeeVee Rules for Hosts-Impertinent Guests would allow him to get away with it: i.e., you’re supposed to keep moving, to allow the guest to state his/her POV, be polite, etc.
Frum was both insulting and scummy. As someone in another thread put it, it’s as though you invited him over for dinner with friends, and he pulled down his pants and crapped on your living room rug.
Perhaps more subtle was the way he refused to take responsibility for his comments [the ones he’d made 5 seconds before], and attempted to change the subject, make outrageously false comparisons, say “you Dems are worse” — anything to avoid engaging in an intellectually honest exchange.
Rachel is so honest and self-effacing. I hope she doesn’t take anything this turd said as actual criticism she should respond to.
And BTW, NBC, if you’re still searching for a host for Meet the Press, may I submit this as her “interview tape.”
Better yet, give her Scarborough’s three wasted hours on MSNBC in the morning.
Rachel is the sweet-faced assassin. Frum brought his B game and got pwnd.
Well, I must be the only person on the blogs to feel differently but jeezus why didn’t she call him on this stuff. Like,when he started talking about how “unserious” she was about nuclear stuff why the fuck didn’t she say “serious, like calling sovereign nations who are unaligned with each other “an axis of evil” or serious like when your wife writes columns like this one? And when he said “be the change you want to be?” she should have said, gandhi? I didn’t know he was a republican! next you’ll be claiming that martin luther king wants McCain to win because he represents the best of black america.
aimai
Oh shit man, ya don’t want Frumpy on yer bad side. He might bring a world of hurt on ya, like he did to this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHorpNLKUfg
About 3:00 in, Frumpy delivers a dizzying array of jabs setting up a knockout punch with a water bottle (a Liberal staple-nice touch Daveo Slice!) at 5:30.
Frumpy “floats like a gadfly and stings like a pee.”
Wow, judging by his wife’s “writing,” she probably hasn’t had an orgasm in decades, or at least since she married Frumpy. Repressed much?
Perhaps Frum would rather Rachel Maddow acted more like the hosts on C-SPAN?
Her livelihood depends on her ratings. If she didn’t add a little humor to the mix (”sarcasm” according to the Frummeister) she be down in Tucker Carlson/Glenn Beck territory on the Neilsens.
I wonder what his late mother Barbara, much beloved CBC journalist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Frum), would think of her son.
Frum, like most wingnuts, doesn’t understand satire, so a show like Rachel’s (and presumably Colbert) sails high over his head. All he knows is that it is “not serious”. Unfortunately, the wingers are also unable to distinguish between serious and sane. That makes them dangerous.
Hey, Dave from Canada,
Thanks for writing what I was thinking while watching that last night. I lived most of my adult life in Greater Cleveland and we could get CBC AM (n/k/a Radio One, I guess?)from either Windsor @1550 or Toronto @740 (now gone, alas). I spent many happy hours listening to CBC in its better days, both at ‘As It Happens’ and ‘Morningside’.
Geez, I still miss hearing Gwozski’s voice in the mornings.
Barbara Frum would be appalled. Simply appalled.
IP
Between all this asshole’s eye-rolling, exaggerated sighs and face-making, I was yelling at the TV.
I thought Rachel was going to laugh out loud when he suggested she bring on Paul Wolfowitz (I kid you not) to discuss moral equivalencies (or seriousness of coverage, or something…).
That was a classic segment. I doubt he’ll be back.
I, too, watched this live and was amazed at the crude and tasteless attack on quite possibly the only person who has elevated political discussion on TV in the last several years. Yes, Maddow is witty and sarcastic, but she has treated every one of her guests politely, including the vacuous and petulant Mr. Frum.
He clearly has never seen her show, because he wasn’t describing anything remotely akin to it. So he came off looking like a coarse and ignorant boob while she didn’t take the bait and came out ahead by any measure one can apply.
I agree — she would be far above anyone else on Meet the Press. But they’ll pick someone like the sycophantic Brokaw, because that’s what’s become of it all.
Ha ha! Remember four years ago when Jon Stewart went on that goofball show where the two dorks yelled at each other (brain freeze here!!!! Can’t recall their names…) and pleaded: “Stop hurting America. Just. stop.”
That’s what Frum thought he was doing!
Oh, man. What a pumpkin.
Frum seemed pissed at RM because of her comments making fun of Wolfowitz, who, apparently, has procured a new, high-paid government job for the last weeks of BushCo. The fact that Wolfie is a walking joke never occured to Frum, apparently. Probably because he’s a walking joke as well.
To IP,
“As It Happens” still airs, and is still great. CBC is still good, so try to get it on Sirius if you can.
David Frum reminded me of W F Buckley with his faux Oxbridge accent and five dollar words with the same supercilious attitude. Thing is, if Frumpy and his crowd were dropped in the middle of Baghdad, not in the green zone, they would need several cases of Depends with them. They would be waving that “white flag of surrender” so fast, Danielle Crittenden wouldn’t even get a chance to dial the number to a divorce lawyer. Ofcourse it’s okay for Frumpy as long as he, his buddies and his children don’t get to “sacrifice” in their big war. Heck, according to them, they shouldn’t even have to sacrifice in paying taxes for their war. You see only the little people have to pay.
I thought she did the right thing to let him trot out that tired old stuff, rather than call him on it. What kind of meds do you have to be on to stay that deluded? And the idea of calling in Wolfie to educate her . . . hoo boy.
Rachel Maddow would have to lower herself to become the hostess on Meet The Press. A show that had a host who believed so stridently that ‘off the record’ was guaranteed to any politician he spoke with unless otherwise specifically allowed to put it ‘on the record’ that he bragged about it.
The tired old flak know as Tim Russert is replaced in the ‘interim’ by the extremely tired old flak known as Tom Brokaw. Brokaw reminds me of some of the older baseball players who didn’t know when their best days were well behind them before they retired from their playing years. He also reminds me of the permanent scowl known as Bud Selig who became “de facto” Commissioner of Major League Baseball after the sitting commissioner resigned due to major disagreements with Selig and other owners. Selig remained as ‘interim’ commissioner for years until he was finally officially given the job. Isn’t it time that Meet The Press hired someone under the age of yore to host or hostess their program?
I completely get that you’re frustrated that she didn’t call him on specific things but, having seen the vid, I am ZOMG I WISH I WERE A LEZBO about her deftness in giving him more than enough rope to hang himself and all his associates with.