Why don’t these people just get over it. It’s coming whether you like it or not. You can fight it tooth and nail and delay it for a few years, but you are not going to stop it. I wish Americans knew their history better. I ran across a woman last week who, I kid you not, did not know why the US initially entered WW II.

Thanks for the pic. I was in the middle of the crowd, and it was hard to imagine how big the entire march was. Saw only a handful of counter-protesters — mostly just single individuals, or a couple together. They seemed kinda sad. The energy of the crowd was awesome, and the cars waiting at intersections were honking and waving in support.

damn right this is not going away.

I was at the protest in Philly – 1500 at least, and lots of honking supporters. Decent local tv news coverage too.

The Mormonians, wingnut Catholic Bishops and fellow-enablers have unleashed a backlash of truly epic proportions. Not only will it not go away, it is doing a marvelous job of unifying support for marriage equality and by extension full civil rights for all.

Every single state ban against marriage equality, whether tacked onto the states’ constitutions or not, is a clear violation of the Equal Protection clause of the U.S. Constitution (14th Amendment).

I can see these protests growing into an organized, nationwide movement to challenge these bans everywhere they exist.

This is not going to go away.

I hope not. I think an emerging militancy is going to be necessary for the LGBT community to obtain equality. The well behaved are simply too easy to ignore.

This is a matter of civil rights.

With all its flaws, America has one thing, NEVER goes gently when individual rights are at peril.

Correct, this is a matter of civil, SECULAR, rights. Religion has no business sticking its head into the matter. If you want to follow your own religion and believe what you want to believe and adhere to it you are perfectly within your rights in this country to do so. You ARE NOT within your rights to FORCE your belief on everyone else. You may not like it, you may not even tolerate it, but you have no right to stop it.

I am a direct descendant of Roger Williams. He founded the State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations on freedom of religion and separation of church and state. The Puritans fled England because they could not worship as they chose and then when they arrived on America’s shores they preceded to shut down any dissent. Hypocrisy is an old, old thing. Crazy Pastor Roger fled into the woods just as he was about to be deported from Massachusetts back to merry old England. Rhode Island went on to be one of the original 13 colonies and the first to declare independence from the King of England but we were also the last to sign the Declaration of Independence (we needed to make sure it was up to our standards).

We are in the biggest crisis in this country since the 1930’s. At this point we all need to step back, take a deep breath and work together to survive. Continuing the deliberate divisions that the Republican right wing have promoted is collective suicide. Hate is never the answer. The naive among the right need to realize how they have been used by the grasping self promoters and greedy sociopaths who call themselves Republican and will say anything to get elected. Follow any of these people for a month and you will see the depravity and hypocrisy. They don’t believe what you believe, they use you to get power.

We can all allow others to live as they believe, just don’t try to FORCE anyone over to your side.

Since when is tolerance a Christian value, anyway?

Oh, right. From the beginning. I wonder when they got rid of it.

But… but… if the gays get to marry I won’t love my wife any more, right? Right? I mean, if they get to file jointly I’ll instantly turn into one of The Village People, right?

Or maybe I’ll end up wanting to marry my neighbor’s turtle… or have sex with a mailbox or something.

It’s all so *very* scary, and I’m just tickled pink that our trusted friends the Mormons have a handle on things. What ever would we do without the Magic Underwear Brigade and their keen take on what’s right and wrong for everybody else?

Out of 200 to 250k people, the only idiot to be arrested was a member of the San Diego Minutemen? So hating immigrants is not enough, with this guy we get the hate on for the LGBT community for added measure. Sounds like an equal opportunity hatemonger. You can bet this guy thinks he’s going to be raptured any day now. Bless his heart.

Maybe we need a proposition to ban Mormons and Catholic bishops in California.

What’s good for the goose…

But, but… If we demonstrate peaceably, bringing our families and our straight allies and our general normality into public view, I have it on good authority that we’ll just turn otherwise sympathetic people against us for making a fuss. Or whatever. Because we’re all scary and rude and stuff. So what can we do *but* sit quietly and wait for someone to give us our rights? It’ll take a while, I’m sure, but it’s better than making otherwise pro-gay straights hate us simply because they’re terribly, terribly opposed to judicial activism.

Personally, I think we ought to ban straight marriage. Once we started letting straight people get married, it was really only a matter of time before gay people wanted to get married, which I’m reliably assured leads directly to incest and polygamy and people marrying box turtles. Heterosexual marriage is a gateway to gay multiple interspecies marriage! It’s a slippery slope! Ban straight marriage before it’s too late!

Srsly, though: an option seems to be to focus on getting the church entirely out of the “couples business” and simply limit their racket to the whole “jesus-blesses-you” part of the schtick.

I’d prefer to see their silly “institution” of “holy” matrimony reduced to so much theater and irrelevance while ensuring that all the actual rights that currently come along with tying the knot be given to anyone who wants to do so (You want to enter into a relationship with a turtle? Go right ahead — who am I to stand in your way. And the turtle should definitely have the right to visit you in the hospital). I don’t much care if it’s called civil union or something else, but surely that’s what really matters day-to-day? The right to health care, the right to adopt kids, etc. etc. Having a priest wave his magic wand and declare you “married” on some random Sunday in May? Not so much.

RRRAAAWWW!!!!1111

Digg it!

We need balance of power. Something like, Female supreamacy, Male supreamacy and LGBT supreamacy.

I’m sorry to be off topic, but a sig at KOS made me choke:

“It rubs the loofah on its skin or else it gets the falafel again.”

Back to The Police 2008 video Certifiable, which I find to be excellent. And the Weerogs of age are enraptured with.

I’m sick of these people always trying to cram their beliefs down our throats.
Butt out !!
Mind your own business!
Get a fucking life losers!!!

2,000 in Phoenix protest gay marriage ban

It is time for Government and Religion to get a divorce.

Or at least a trial separation.

We could call it something like “Separation of Church and State”….

nice iambic pen

Most people don’t know why. Same as every other war; there is the truth and then there is the US gov’t’s lies.

This is very inspiring.

Civil rights for all!

Because Hitler was a liberal fascist?

-Jonah

Everything comes in hills and valleys, since they don’t have the mega phone for the next 4 years we will see less religion in our politics.

Why is Fox airing a story abt the Clinton/Lewinsky scandle? Do they think Senator Clinton is the Pres elect? It doesn’t make sense.

Just ban marriage for all. There’s the equality.

Not only is this “not going away,” it’s ust getting started. I was in Los Angeles demo from about 9:30 am well into the afternoon. Speaking as a 61 year-old gay activist(I joined New York’s GAA right after Stonewall) I can proudly say I fell30 years younger. These kids are teriffic. Smart, committed,angr and gorgeous. They’ve been out from the nanosecond they realized they were gay. They’ve all got boyfriends and grilfriends are having the time of their lives fighting injustice.

There was a news report the other day abotu out enemies – somehwere behind the Orange Curtain — moaning about the fact that we haven’t curled up like leaves in Autumn and blown away. They really thought they had the uper hand and had “stopped” Teh Ghey in its tracks.

AS IF!!!!

And on that note — TAKE IT AWAY IRVING!!!

Here are some great pictures of the demos nationwide!

The zealotry both Mormons and Roman Catholics chose to run with regarding Prop 8 in California was/is not founded on better Americanism. Surely was not based on better instincts of tolerance and enlightened co-existence.

Zealotry is a tempting weapon. But it does have blowback downsides. As seen in the photo above. Prop 8 was viewed by some as a means to stop what some did not support or consider correct. This zealotry of action however has not put a stop to the matter of equality at hand. It has started a greater drive and desire to not be treaded upon by those who out of fear,ignorance or intolerance sought/seek to impose a values/beliefs set on others. This being a dangerous place to go for all Americans. Doors get opened/closed that once opened/closed bring on unforseen outcomes and consequences. The Mormons and Roman Catholics now in the midst of finding this to be so.

My ‘church’ takes a dim view of Mormonism and Roman Catholicism but that does not entitle me to go out and outlaw Mormons and Roman Catholics does it? I think not. Of course my ‘church’ also takes a dim view of gays.

Centuries of acquired and held thoughts and beliefs going into this. The force of tradition is powerful here. But also very flawed and wrong. The fight is against this entrenched tradition. Tradition will lose. As it did with human slavery,womens rights and stupidly held race concepts.

Anti-gay traditions are based much more on hoary old European political and social control thoughts/methods than anything to do with what Christ and his Middle Eastern based religion had to say about being gay.

Hopefully the Mormons and Roman Catholics will come around to seeing they are trying to hold back what will not be held back. Otherwise they risk becoming ridiculous agents of intolerance and very irrelevant to 21st century American social justice,equality and the pursuit of liberty.

This is not going to go away.

unless the courts are willing to strike down the proposition as unconstitutional, which I don’t know if its even possible and highly doubt they would if it is, there is nothing anyone is going to do about prop hate in California except be angry about it. The voters voted it in. This is supposed to be a democracy and the voters word should be supreme (unlike New York City where rich daddy Bloomberg is managing to blatantly thwart the voters will.)

I would think that it would take another proposition supported by the voters to over turn it. I would think that is the ONLY thing progressives would be supporting because progressives strongly support democracy. Progressives should not be looking to manipulate the system because they don’t like the outcome – that’s what republicans/conservatives do.

Progressives should be working to get the tax exempt status removed of any and all religious organizations that get involved in politics and political actions, because that is expressly illegal.

Frankly, I’m surprised MSM is even showing these protests; they never showed the war protests. I wonder what’s going on?

I always thought MSM broadcast the illegal immigrant protest hoping to get riots going….but, I’m probably paranoid after all these years

Agreed.It’s at the bottom of the problem.

So you bring it back every two years until it passes.

I think that’s appropriate. Push it in their faces every two years. Make them run an apocalyptic, end of the world campaign every two years. Tap them out.

Then we win.

Agreed. I think this is the only viable approach. while I can appreciate the need for venting via public protests, I don’t see any near term quick fix…just keep on pushing until its won.

Except that California has very specific legislative rules for amending the Constitution. The courts have to decide if this proposition falls under the “amendment” category, or the “addendum” one.

The SC of CA still has a say in the matter.