Barack Obama, approximately one year ago:
You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
One year later….
You know, let’s not throw Barack Obama under the bus solely. I think George Bush was not as bad, but he was on the same road. I mean, you know, we’ve been playing the game with the United Nations — thank God George Bush put you into the United Nations! I know you, you were extremely unpopular there — I cheered for that!
I mean, I think these guys — these guys, they’ll take away guns, they’ll take away our sovereignty, they’ll take away our, our, our currency, our money! They’re already starting to put all the global framework in with this bullcrap called global warming! This is an effort to globalize and tie together everybody on the planet, is it not?
I’m a foreign correspondent on enemy lines and I try to let everyone back here in Minnesota know exactly the nefarious activities that are taking place in Washington.
Bachmann again:
I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax because we need to fight back. Thomas Jefferson told us ‘having a revolution every now and then is a good thing,’ and the people — we the people — are going to have to fight back hard if we’re not going to lose our country. And I think this has the potential of changing the dynamic of freedom forever in the United States.
RedState’s Erick Erickson:
Off to clean my gun to protect my property from the aparatchicks coming to enforce nonsensical laws. #TCOT
At some point, one more piece of straw does break the camel’s back, even if that piece is by itself insignificant. Then revolution #TCOT
Must have bed. Too much fun out with Bible Study tonight. I must go to the only Bible Study that starts and ends with adult beverages.
People concerned the earth is overpopulated have in their hands, garage, knife drawer, pill box, etc. the power to solve the problem. #TCOT
Last couple of days… Pittsburgh:
Poplawski feared "the Obama gun ban that’s on the way" and "didn’t like our rights being infringed upon," said Edward Perkovic, his best friend.
Perkovic, 22, said he got a call at work from him in which he said, "Eddie, I am going to die today. … Tell your family I love them and I love you."
Perkovic said: "I heard gunshots and he hung up. … He sounded like he was in pain, like he got shot."
Poplawski had once tried to join the Marines, but was kicked out of boot camp after throwing a food tray at a drill sergeant, Perkovic said.
Dennis Roddy at the Post-Gazette has more:
Friends described a Richard Poplawski far different from the 22-year-old man accused of gunning down three police officers today — a partier sometimes, a guy in search of an understanding of politics, even a walking comedian.
He was also convinced that the government wanted to take away his guns and his freedom.
At 41, Jiverly Antares Wong had moved back in with his parents. He couldn’t hear well, and police say he felt ridiculed because he spoke broken English. He couldn’t find a job; he’d been recently fired.
What the Vietnamese immigrant did have was a grudge and a New York State pistol permit.
[...]
More recently, Wong – who also used the name Voong – was terminated from an unsteady per-diem job at the local Shop-Vac factory, Zikuski said. Wong considered his unemployment check paltry, according to reports.
"America sucks," Wong once told a co-worker at the factory, the AP reported.
Friday, Wong carried out his rampage in a place dedicated to helping immigrants like him learn English and attain the American dream.
I don’t think any other comment is necessary….





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Nor do I.
Peace
C
In Seattle last night a man kills all 5 of his children and then himself. What the hell is going on here?
The #tcot hashtag annoys me greatly. Does it mean Twat Cunt On Tools? Or Twaddle Cooties Omigod Thwack!
Seriously, Top Conservatives on Twitter? That’s like Top Checker Of Target. Hardly anything to aspire to.
Idiots.
What the hell is going on here?
Remember when Rumsfeld clucked “Henny Penny, the sky is falling”? in response to accusations about the exorbitant cost of his favourite war?
That sky fell and soon after a whole other sky fell too. Expect more of these murder-suicides in your gun lovin’ free society.
More Americans subscribe to psychics, astrologers, and wacky religions because they don’t have anything real they can count on.
Guns, guns, guns, guns. We’re never going to end the scourge. So sad and wasteful.
I hope it means: “I deserve the Joe Pesce treatment in ‘Casino’.”
I’m not a huge fan of some countries’ hate speech legislation…it has opened up more than a few cans of worms. The definition of what’s a crime becomes a little fuzzy around the edges and thus open to abuse.
But somebody in a position of power has to sit the media giants in this country down and tell them to muzzle the Becks and O’Turdlys under their contractual thumbs. Maybe a call from Obama, or a less-than-friendly visit before a Congressional committee would work. I’d love to see Alan Grayson take on Ailes and Murdoch, or Redstone. Bring massive victims’ lawsuits against Disney and GE, and something might change.
Barring that, guns will have to go or we will be seen by history (if there is one, I ain’t so sure) as one of the most stupid countries, ever.
So a guy who fears that the government is going to take away his precious guns goes out and commits a heinous act that convinces more people that it is even more urgent that the government outlaw guns to prevent more slaughter of innocents??
Conservatives truely have lost the ability to think rationally. And we really need nuts like Beck and Bachman, Limbaugh and Gingrich inciting riot and mayhem in their brainless dittoheads.
We should start asking rightwingers if they look at the Pittsburgh gunman as a hero for standing up to Obama’s efforts to take his guns away.
-G
Twitter gives them plenty of characters to say what’s on their tiny minds…
You know, the bible study group next door gets awfully raucus towards the end. Thanks to Eric, now I know why.
What web sites had Poplawski been reading for the last several months?
Because it would be irresponsible not to ask.
’Off to clean my gun to protect my property from the aparatchicks coming to enforce nonsensical laws.’
Any relation to those super-scary Dixie Chicks?
Exactly. And which news network, and which radio station. It’s time for some lawsuits to get going.
Look.. I don’t think this is very complicated. People are scared, frustrated and about to lose everything. They’ve been egged on by the Bachman’s, Limbaugh’s and Foxnews’ of the world (some Fox commentator yesterday actually tried to blame Poplawski and Jiverly on liberals), and they’re armed with guns. Legal guns… the same guns which, by the way, are getting smuggled into Mexico, where they are being used to destabilize an alliied government. So yeah, Red State Erik… we’re coming for your guns. Discuss that in your next Bible study.
I hope the victims families start sueing the talking heads for inciting the violence. In the Voong case – that would be Lou Dobbs. It’s ironic that an immigrant decides the population at the bottom of his troubles is another group of immigrants. But there ya are.
It would only talk one successful multi-gazillion-dollar lawsuit to shut some of these nutbags up.
It’s not like the further encrazening of the right was particularly unexpected, the only thing that kept them in the least bit placated for the last several years was them knowing one of their own was running the show.
Been clear since forever that Cheney’s long predicted “Next Major Terrorist Attack” in the US will be from some home grown wingnuts, and I do not doubt the Becks and Limbaughs of the media landscape will cluck their tongues and decry the violence and claim complete innocence while still spewing some variation of: “See what I have been saying? This is just the socialist Demoncrat LIEbrul chickens coming home to roost…”.
The blood of these shooting victims is on the hands of Beck, Bachman, Dobbs et. al.
Guns, big cars and lots of $$$: the American Dream for these spiritually challenged “people”
I guess I have a different one.
Right Wing Radio = Yelling fire in a crowded theater and an incitement to violence…
Time for class-action lawsuits.
Guess which rich Jerseyite horse-ranching faux-populist nativist fuckhead decided to take Friday night off instead of having to cover the Binghamton shootings?
I did my usual Saturday scan of the rightyblogs and they’re being surprisingly circumspect about the two (now three) shootings…. we’re talking about them more than they are. Even the freepers didn’t really jump on the racist bandwagon in the binghampton incident. Pammy did, but she has a short attention span and soon went back to questioning Obama’s legitimacy as president. Maybe this all just hits too close to home with their base… shudder to think.
btw, is that quote above from Red State Erik real? does he always do drunken Bible studies? Drunken Bible studies with guns?
No, I think that’s par for the course. It would too embarrassing to have to recognize the effects of their poisonous blather.
BTW, did anyone see Jane on MSNBC a little while ago? Idiot newsmodel cut her off, but not till Jane had the chance to turn her stupid loaded question back to her. Loved it, loved it.
Gotta love trickle down ignorance. Here’s the thread that followed our local paper announcing our Congressman had asked for $90M of funding for our District. They sure have their crazy talking points down, evidence be damned!
GregB: Sadly, a lot of them do. These are the same folks who think Timothy McVeigh was either a hero (for killing so many Eeeevil Gummint Bureaucrats) or framed (because Bill Clinton blew up the Murrah Building just so he could go after Rush Limbaugh). A lot of them work in gun shops.
The pawns die, the royalty get off.
From the poverty shacks, he looks from the cracks to the tracks,
And the hoof beats pound in his brain.
And he’s taught how to walk in a pack
Shoot in the back
With his fist in a clinch
To hang and to lynch
To hide ‘neath the hood
To kill with no pain
Like a dog on a chain
He ain’t got no name
But it ain’t him to blame
He’s only a pawn in their game.
The Binghamton shootings probably short-circuit their pre-programmed responses. (Unless you’re Debbie Schlussel, aka Closeout Coulter.) Admittedly, there was conclusion-jumping on the left, too, but there are more clichés of the wingnut response (i.e. “why weren’t they packing heat?”) that don’t hang well with the root xenophobia.
Still, it’s getting to be a pattern: whenever there’s a story that requires treating immigrants as something other than the Mexican Menace, Dobbs manages to excuse himself from his desk.
Interesting that these calls to arms follow precisely the election, by a substantial majority, of a new President and Congress that coincidentally happens to be in opposition to the political and social views of those who are screaming “Revolution”. Then they quote Jefferson about the right of the people to rise up against tyrants.
But they don’t realize that Jefferson was talking about King George.
“In a country whose constitution is derived from the will of the people directly expressed by their free suffrages, where the principal executive functionaries and those of the legislature are renewed by them at short periods, where under the character of jurors they exercise in person the greatest portion of the judiciary powers, where the laws are consequently so formed and administered as to bear with equal weight and favor on all, restraining no man in the pursuits of honest industry and securing to every one the property which that acquires, it would not be supposed that any safeguards could be needed against insurrection or enterprise on the public peace or authority. The laws, however, aware that these should not be trusted to moral restraints only, have wisely provided punishments for these crimes when committed.”
–Thomas Jefferson: 6th Annual Message, 1806. ME 3:418
And hear is what Jefferson would say about those in the media, and those that support them through advertising, who are fomenting such rebellions.
“The paradox with me is how any friend to the union of our country can, in conscience, contribute a cent to the maintenance of anyone who perverts the sanctity of his desk to the open inculcation of rebellion, civil war, dissolution of government, and the miseries of anarchy.”
–Thomas Jefferson to William Plumer, 1815. ME 14:235
I live a few miles from the site of the shooting and all I can say is thanks to the nutjobs at Fox News and the NRA for this tragedy they brought to my city. Obviously most of us know the bullshit they spout is bullshit. However, this is what happens when someone actually believes what they hear repeated at them over and over again by those morons. I’m going to send Glenn Beck an invitation to come to Pittsburgh for the funerals, he can even crash on my futon. It will give him a chance to spit in the faces of the widows and slap around some of the children that will have to grow up without a dad. Kind of throw a cherry on the top of the sundae of sadness he served up for us. I’m certain he will have a great time.
I’m a First Amendment absolutist. I don’t think the FCC should be able to fine networks for obscenities under any circumstances. If George Carlin, may he rest in peace, had wanted to go on the Tonight Show and say “Shit, piss, cunt, fuck, cocksucker, motherfucker, and tits,” he damn well should have been able to, and have it go out on the air unbleeped. Likewise, if some schmuck gest his jollies saying “Look out! They’re coming for your guns!,” he has the right to do so.
That said, I have no problem penalizing people when their words have damaging consequences. There is no justification for lying, for spreading fear-inducing speculation, even if it doesn’t rise to the current standard for defamation or incitement to riot. Saying “Obama is coming for your guns” has clearly become, for some people, an incitement to violent action, and these assholes who spread this bullshit need to be taught that they will be held liable for their part in fomenting an environment of fear and hatred.
“No prior restraint” does not mean that they can’t be held responsible for their own lack of restraint.
OT But Ann Outhouse had on on-line affair with a married man, and has decided to marry him.
We fell in love on-line
He was already married when he became “smitten” with her inebriated stream of conciousness webcasts as she stumbled about her home. He sent her missives of love…as his marriage with a real flesh-and-blood wife decayed.
I suppose that its fortunate for Outhouse that he wasn’t a she impersonating a member of the opposite gender! You never know about those “tubes”
Capt,
I agree with most of your statement, but I don’t think the first amendment applies to the public airwaves as an absolute. On the street corner, sure, but using broadcast time like this is irresponsible.
That said, I hope I am properly summarizing the attitude here that we don’t want to silence Beck, Limbaugh, et al., in fact honorable dissent is necessary for a democracy to work. And it may be that, hidden somewhere in their manipulations, there are legitimate issues, but at this point, they would appear to be confused at best. (and self-serving sociopaths at worst)
I am not even asking for simple civil discourse. All I want is honesty and recourse against intentional lies. I think the biggest frustration for the last 10 years has been that there has been NO accountability for dreadful actions, and we, as a society, have suffered greatly – emotionally, financially, morally and politically.
Give us back the public airwaves. Call a lie what it is. Make the liars responsible. When discourse becomes civil, the chasm between the parties will be narrowed.
Hard to know what being a “1st Amendment Absolutist” means. Does that mean a student, or group of students, can “take over” a class by forcing discussion on certain topics? Say shouting down a biology Professor who is teaching evolution because they “believe” in Creationism?
There has always been a “time, place and manner” aspect to the First Amendment. The Philadelphia Constitutional Conventions nearly collapsed when Independence Hall was taken over by angry Revolutionary War vets who refused to let the delegates do business. After the Governor of Pennsylvania refused to evict them the Conventions moved to New York…and wrote in the clauses that created Washington D.C. with Federal properties under CONGRESSIONAL Control.
The problem is that Limbaugh can go on the air at 2 PM and talk about PM Gordon Blair contracting “anal poisoning” from “slobbering all over Ogama’s backside”…with impunity. Limbaugh is in absolute control over what he broadcasts…holds a FCC Broadcast License for which he swore to follow the FCC regulation. He doesn’t even warn the audience he’s going to make such offensive references to “sexual and excretory activities”.
Yet some small Pacifica or College station that plays a warning and airs something like a play or music with a salty reference AFTER 10 PM [e.g. KCSB playing the Pork Dukes song “Makin’ Bacon”] has their license threatened (in fact, the whole UC system of radio stations were threatened by the FCC since taking away the licensee rights of the Regents would have shut down all 6 of the UC Radio Stations).
Apparently those with money, wealth and power have different 1st Amendment rights than the rest of us.
As far as what websites this cop-killer was reading, according to Crooks and Liars he was quite enamored of Storm Front, our most prominent homegrown neo-nazis. I guess that fits.
“Batshit” Bachmann:
A revolution to overthrow a (for once) legitimately elected gov’t.? That’ll change the “dynamic of freedom” alright!
That’s one hell of a district she’s got gerrymandered for herself.
i know it’s been said before, but i’ll say it again. i really wish all these murder-suicides would do the suicide part first.
The wingnuts are really getting ready for their last stand, aren’t they?