I told my husband already that I love Barney Frank. Good thing he, as well as Mr. Frank, don’t need to worry that I’m packing to go. I just love that a proud gay man who has been called the smartest man in Congress by more than one person also has the biggest cajones in D.C.

He is, indeed, a god.

Senator Frank, I looooove you!
Wow. Just. Wow.

And this chickie-poo is barely old enough to vote by the looks of her. She could still be on her parent’s employer-based health insurance (I was until age 24). She’s certainly much too young to be casually tossing around “Nazi”. I’m 40-ish and still too young to be casually tossing around “Nazi”, though I reserve the right to use “fascist”.

Who was that crazy-ass PUMA from last summer? Looks like we have a successor, though she’s a distant runner-up to Ms Weepy Waily “I want my country back”.

Goe, Koll-uj Republikinz!

FunnyWheelieDiva

-snap-

And, yes, I’m talking about Barney, not that creature he was addressing.

Oh, well… We knew things would get even nuttier once the Paultards & the Lyndon Larouchies were added to the Christians & the Angries & the Scared Olds & the cynical Republican politicians and the dopey Blue Asses.

PS – I love Barney Frank. But, to make this really count he’s got to say this to the face of politicians & their lobbyists. On camera.

Here’s the classic Joseph Welch clip:

http://video.google.com/videop…..2838272185

Bravo Barney! And let this be a lesson to Democrats who, for some unfathomable reason, feel compelled to be polite to complete fucking assholes.

Being polite with assholes/morons/zombies/psychopaths isn’t obligatory. It’s stupidity that serves the moron.

Heh, McCarthy in that clip brings to mind the slow talker sketch.

Desertwind hints at what happened here – local news coverage of this event strongly suggests she’s a Larouchie, not a rightwinger. (In one shot of people handing out the Hitler mustache signs, you can clearly see “LAROUCHE” on the banner in front of their table.)

Although it’s probably a very good thing for us politically to have practically all the crazies lined up on one side for a change. If Mr. Random Anonymous Blog Commenter can be held up by the media as an example of what “the left” thinks, I don’t see why we can’t give them a taste of their own medicine and tar Republicans with this.

Steppin’ back in to say, when Barney said “dining room table” he meant TV tray.

Barney. My hero.

“On what planet do you spend most of your time?”

damn, that’s good!

Coulda been a false-flag plant, but the problem with that is they’re so crazy it’s hard to know how to make them look stupider than they already are.

I can remember him from Anatomy of a Murder. There was a point where he had to deliberate over a point of order and he just sat there, winding his pocket watch. Now that’s acting.

awesome. fucking awesome.

March on Washington September 13 for meaningful healthcare reform. Pass it on.

Damn. I need a ciggie after that. Barney, I would have your babies. Seriously. And I don’t have/want children. I know I am the wrong gender, but if you’re ever in MN, call me.

The look on that idiot’s face as Frank dressed her down was priceless. It’s disheartening that someone younger than me believes that bullshit and is PROUD (well, kinda proud) to be holding an Obama as Hitler picture.

I love the disdain dripping from Frank’s voice as he dismembered her. We need more of this, and yes, the Dems need to take this tone of voice with their colleagues. I look forward to it.

I smiled at “vile, contemptible nonsense”.

I don’t know who I love more, Barney or Anthony Weiner. A few of Tony’s hits: http://video.google.com/videos…..038;emb=0#

If we had more Barney/Tony’s in the Congress, we would already have health care reform passed and signed — and I’m talkin’ single payer — and the rethugs and the medical industry would be cowering in the corners, where they belong.

I get a tingle when Tony refers to the “Republic” party.

I couldn’t hear her “question” (and I use the term loosely) but his response would fit pretty much every question these loons ask..

Mmmm, me likey Anthony Weiner. He and Sherrod Brown are my newest political crushes. We definitely need more of them. Hopefully, the tide is turning.

Sadly, she probably doesn’t even understand either his reference to the Constitution or that she’s been subject to a verbal smackdown.

My favorite Wonkette comment: Palin/DIning Room Table 2012!”

Until the dems get control of the conversation again, unfortunately, the tide will not turn. Isolated Barney Fraqnk episodes will have to become more widespread and publicized. This is all the usual republic psychological warfare: scare the bejeezus out of the constituents. As smart as Obama is, I surprised he let this get out of control. Before this “debate” started, I don’t know why he didn’t convene a panel of sociologists and psychologists in order to plot a strategy to counteract what he must have known was coming.

She brought the crazy, he brought the whoopass.

Them aliens…she looks almost human.

The Slow Talkers! My favorite Bob & Ray routine. Thanks.

The only proper response to “have you stopped beating your wife?” questions. Other Dems, take note. You’re not as witty as Barney, but just treat the question as unworthy of discussion. It’s easy.

My favorite Barneyism: Republicans’ concern for life begins at conception and ends at birth.

“why do you continue to support a nazi policy” aye yi yi

I demand that Congressman Frank apologize to dining room tables immediately.

Barney’s wiki entry should be cleared to read only: “Does not suffer fools gladly.”

Apparently in wingnut world the new Nazis are Jewish Americans.

What a historically ignorant stooge.

-G

Barney Frank is what Dick Armey called him. He is unconcerned about what his constituents think and thinks he’s better than they are. He needs to be voted out and may very well be if he is found guilty of the ethical violations he’s accused of…

One of his most endearing qualities.

Do you find that as stunning as I do? I can’t believe that people are actually standing up and calling Jews Nazis – it certainly tells us enough about their intelligence.

Thanks, that was a treat. I think looking over his shoulder to face them, after calling them out as the Republic Party’s b-team , was my favorite.

How much do you want to bet most of the people using Nazi analogies could not correctly identify the time period during which they were in power?

And yet Barney is also anti-Israel. Go figure….

True but they are the Know-Nothings. They just yell a lot and think that gets the job done.

DLoerke

his constituents think

what a fucking joke. . .shoooo, go tell your ma she’s calling you.

So when will:

How to Speak to a Dining Room Table (If You Must)

Hit the newstands? Or at least hit the re: line for healchare talking points?

I am starting to understand, though, why so often Dems bring knifes to gunfights. Apparently they think they can communicate with the rightwing via placemats and cutlery.

NO. you are wrong. Frank is pro-peace. He doesn’t swallow the AIPAC swill like most of congress. If you Likud types stepped back & saw the big picture, you’d realize that AIPAC & Foxman’s ADL are working against Israel’s long-term interests by hamstringing efforts to eliminate illegal settlements and the Gaza blockade.

Barney certainly doesn’t have any concern for the views of the people who elected him, and they did screen for residents of the district. And please, even my mother didn’t speak to me that way.

Utterly classic. Plus the look on her face when the applause started up….she realized, right then and there, that she was the only one drinking the kool aid.

Those who suggest she’s a Larouchie are probably right. They’re the ones I’ve seen with the Obama/Hitler pasteups in various venues.

Pro-”peace” with surrender is surrendering to Nazis. So maybe the people using that analogy weren’t so wrong. After all the Palestinians want to drive the Israelis into the sea….

She shoulda slapped your dopey ass.

It was Nazi policy to wear clothes in public. Why do Republicans blindly follow Nazi policy?

Fantastic work Barney. At long last somebody dumped the pretense and phoniness of a nuanced reply and told this whackjob exactly how you felt. I’s about time!

So you don’t want to take on my views but you want to talk about a part of my anatomy you haven’t seen…I sure don’t want to see yours or be responsible for its healthcare thank you very much….

You must much this clip of Sean Hannity being a huge hypocrite about the public option and the health care debate. Everyone knows he is a hypocrite, but this is blatant.

Here is the clip.

http://progressnotcongress.org/?p=2603

Why should people engage with crazy? This woman was not making a cogent argument. She was asking a loaded question designed to “throw off” the Congressman. Why give her time to spout off all her obviously crazy crap? Would you go to the guy who mumbles to himself on your street corner and discuss the news of the day with him, or ask his thoughts on what you should do for dinner? After all, he IS your neighbor and a member of the community!

your “views” uh huh

Why should people engage with crazy?

As in replying to trolls?

We always welcome FACTS. We even welcome your opinions. But we do not and will not confuse the two.

Hey, aren’t we lukcy! ! ! We’ve got our very own posting right here too!!!!

I’m so happy for you, DLoerke, that you live in a country where the first amendment allows you to post the most inane, utter nonsense, that you’ve been posting.

I would engage further but I have no desire to carry on a conversation with a batshit crazy piece of furniture.

How’d I do Barney????

LOL – waiting for your appearance under the refurbished chandelier in HGTV’s next episode of The Unsellables.

I can’t believe that people are actually standing up and calling Jews Nazis – it certainly tells us enough about their intelligence.

Behold the fruits of the Doughy Pantload’s labor.

Sadly, the only upside is that if organic = fascist then the odious CEO of Whole Foods = Hitler.

It is because many of them have no capacity to empathize with others. It’s why they are so dismissive of African-Americans and their political beliefs and why they can only see themselves as all powerful wielders of might or as weak kneed victims of liberal fascists.

-G

Bravo!

Please, no more table talk.

-G

OK, you got me there.

…and they all got a trophy even though they finished last.

We should all be inspired to be more Frank with trolls.

Because the lady is a constituent and entitled to the right to be heard. She pays taxes and doesn’t want her views to be ignored in the debate. If you don’t like her views that’s your right, but some of us think that all Barney does is mumble inananites while profiting from his bank shares that he gets while the rest of the country fails.

Please…if I am crazy I don’t want you to pay for my healthcare. Why don’t you all take up a collection for the uninsured rather than tax the rest of us?

dloerke,

i have insurance and would like another option.

the whole world doesn’t revolve around you. and no, you are not the only one paying taxes. i pay a boatload as well, and i would not mind some of it going to the uninsured, like the lady who cleans my home and has just minimum wage, no healthcare from her employer’s company.

have you read the bill? you can keep your gilded healthcare or not. it’s called an “option” for that very reason.

just called barney frank’s office and asked them to tell him, “There are people in Texas who love you.”

that’s a hilarious clip.

Yes, she is (probably) a constituent. Even if she isn’t, she is entitled to be heard.

Her specific question was:

Why do you continue to support a Nazi policy as Obama has supported that policy?

Congressman Frank gave the question precisely the answer it deserved. He told her that her premise was wrong. Her premise is that some policy is Nazi, and the premise is wrong.

It’s wrong to begin with because the National Socialist Worker’s Party isn’t a policy-setting body in this country, because there are neither Congressmen nor Senators from the Nazi Party. Okay, I’ll cut her some slack and assume that she meant the phrase “Nazi policy” metaphorically. It’s still wrong. The Nazis were fascists: they believed in merging the power of government with the power of corporations. Frank also ridiculed her. Maybe he should not have done that. I tend to think that he was okay to do it, though.

Opinions can vary, but the facts are the same for all of us. If you are going to start making counterfactual assumptions there is no point in having a discussion. She was making counterfactual assumptions, and Congressman Frank was right: he can no more have a discussion about reality with her than he could with the dining room table.

If Frank’s outburst silences some of the crazies in the future, then more power to him. He’s done us a service.

I am just about to send a note telling Barney he is my new hero. It is about time reasonable people stop trying to reason with these knuckle dragging, hate mongering idiots! Speak in simple terms they can grasp, and make the message clear… Out of the way dipsticks, fools have no place at this dining room table!

Thank you. That’s what I was trying to say in my first response.

When did Americans get the idea that every single thing that comes out of someone’s mouth is worth responding to? Or that an elected official has an obligation to respond to every single person, no matter how far out or utterly incoherent their ideas are? Is this some kind of trickle down “it’s all good/First Amendment” theory of discourse?

Because it ain’t all good, and I certainly hope that when someone sees something that doesn’t make sense, they have the guts to say “You’re not making sense.” Which is what I believe the Congressman said.

I hear you. I think it’s beginning to happen, with Frank, Weiner, and Brown (Sherrod) leading the way. Oh, and adorable Bernie Sanders, too.

shorter troll: blah blah blah, I got mine, bitchez! (As long as mine does not include a brain).

Frank was quite right not to even tackle the question because if he did, the woman would have just changed to Obama’s birth certificate or something stupid like that. If she has specific concerns about the bill, then she can voice them. Otherwise, she can STFU.

OldFatGuy, I think Barney would have strongly approved your message!

She got a chance to voice her views. Nobody silenced her or took her off the mike. She wasn’t hustled out of the room. Neither the congressman nor anyone else has an equal obligation to respond with anything other than, “that’s crazy.” Because characterizing the policies of any administration as “Nazi policies” IS crazy.

The problem is that it made sense to the young woman.

i dunno, blogs maybe?

Bravo Barney Frank!

Finally, someone in Congress stands up to these imbeciles who have hijacked a serious discussion to reform our out of control health care system. This ridiculous woman and her Hitler/Obama poster is simply an example of the social terrorism the right wing has inflicted on our national debate. She is a direct product of the Glenn Beck school of seek and destroy anyone who disagrees with your narrow autocratic point of view.

It’s time to move beyond these shameless and frightened morons who take their marching orders from those whose only interest is to tear down Barack Obama and the concerned effort to control health care costs in America.

Frank is fed up with this “constituent” concern equating Obama and Hitler. Many of us are. So you and every other concern troll out there should save your breath with your BS.

Republicans are ignorant,fascist,racist(because that’s what all this is really about)fools. Good for a democrat to finally give it back to them. I wish they would all emulate Barney.

My Depression-era oak dining-room table may have felt a little hurt, but I’ll rub it down with a soft cloth and some beeswax, reassuring it that Barney Frank wasn’t referring specifically to Casa Biscuitbarrel’s table.

OK. I’ll bite: What were the historical “nazi policies” regarding the organisation of a health care system?

The nazis actually changed very little in the German health care system, which was initiated by Chancellor von Bismarck and was enacted by the parliament in 1883. Fifty years before the nazis took power.

The only three significant changes the nazis made to the German health care system were:

1) Before 1933 and after 1951 the boards of the semi-public co-ops (Krankenkassen), which are the building blocks of Germany’s public system, were elected (either directly or indirectly via labor unions) by the members (i.e. the insured) of those co-ops. During the Third Reich (and in the first two years of the Federal Republic) the government appointed the boards.

2) Since 1936 the semi-public co-ops of white collar workers (Ersatzkassen) were closed to non-mandatory members.

3) In 1941 pensioners were introduced as mandatory members into the public system.

So what the heck does “nazi policies” with regards to the American 2009 health care reform debate mean?

#1 has no real US counterpart that I can see.
#2 translates into 2009 US lingo as: the nazis took an existing “public option” away.
#3 is the 60s Medicare debate.

The Obama Hitler mustache people at the Sam Farr town hall in Santa Cruz were definitely affiliated with Larouche.

The amount of crazy they exhibited was astounding. towit: government airplanes are dumping chemicals on us to control our thoughts and keep undesirables from breeding… the chemtrails are part of a government eugenics program.

My dining room table resents the remarks of the Honorable Member from Massachusetts. My table is WAY smarter than this woman, having listened to fairly intelligent discussions of history and politics over many years.

Because the lady is a constituent and entitled to the right to be heard. She pays taxes and doesn’t want her views to be ignored in the debate.

Yet you are likely one of those who wanted those of us protesting the war in Iraq to shut up and/or be arrested for treason. Yeah, I see how this works…

As everyone said, Barney Frank gave this woman the response she absolutely deserved.

Barney Frank… New White House Health-Care reform spokesperson! Finally Power speaks to Untruth.

Let us introduce a discussion between “dumber than a table,” the ex-governor of Alaska and the Jewish rightwing nitwit AKA “Joe the Plumber about the merits of health insurance.

THAT would be hilarious.

Government control of health care is reminiscent of socialists all over–including National Socialists (e.g., “Nazis”).

I HAVE read all 1,018 pages of the unintelligible gibberish and I do not want an “option” that essesntially Federalizes health care to undercut private industry. Once again, if YOU want to pay for these people, please do so. Nothing stops you from writing additional checks to Uncle Sam. They take cash, checks and credit cards. Just don’t make ME do it. Thank you.

You had the RIGHT to protest. I didn’t like what you said and vehemently felt you were aiding and abetting enemies of the war effort, but you had the right. Just as that lady does. Nutty Cindy Sheehan can go around with her few hundred Code Pinkers but tens of thousands of citizens who like things as they are come out and WE are the bad guys…NO WAY!!!!!

If you ever need to go to the emergency room after you can no-longer afford private insurance, please don’t… as it is not cost effective.

Dribble, DLoerke. Step away from the cool-aid.

Moderated by William Shatner.

Is DLoerke paid by the word or by the blog?

Any how…The Gubberment controls the majority of health care spending in the US now, just not very judiciously. For example, Medicare costs in red states Florida and Texas are almost twice what they are in blue states Minnesota and Wisconsin. Mainly because of unregulated greed preying on the elderly in those southern states.

Government control of health care is reminiscent of socialists all over–including National Socialists (e.g., “Nazis”).

That must be why the all of the other nations of the industrialized world keep invading Poland.

Given DLoerke’s statements, I trust that this means he will refuse to accept Medicare, should he miraculously live long enough to collect it, and is not now nor never has accepted VA care, since he is unalterably opposed to using taxpayer money to treat others.

People would just go ahead and get sick for the hell of it if they knew that the taxpayer was picking up the tab. If it wasn’t for my deductible I’d be huffing some anthrax right now.

I wouldn’t bank on that.

I know personally about a dozen right wingers that railed against Social Security AND Medicare for years.

They were first in line at the local Social Security office the day they were eligible.

Frankly, I like DLourke’s honesty. Because what he’s saying is actually what it’s always been about. They don’t want to pay for others care with their money, PERIOD. That’s their whole agenda right there. But, it’s unpopular to admit that, so they use scare tactics, lies, and distortions to try and make excuses for opposing it. But the bottom line always has been the same. They’ve got theirs, and don’t want to pay for others getting theirs. (Most especially when others sometimes don’t “look” like them).

That is and always has been the bottom line against government help in any way, whether it’s healtch care, welfare, food stamps, education, anything. Always the same.

“Palin/DIning Room Table 2012!”

Make that “Heil Hitler lady/Dining Room Table” and I think we have a winning ticket!

Nice to see these reasoned rational viewpoints that don’t call names. /snark.

And why indeed should I pay for someone else’s healthcare…because he needs it? Any thief will justify their actions because they need it. So using the power of government to justify your thievery does not make it anything else but robbery…and last time I looked robbery is still a crime. You want everything equal. Well, we may be created equal but we are not guaranteed equal outcome. We have to EARN it. We are not to be compelled to it. That’s what makes us different than the Soviets…or the Nazis that you don’t want to be compared to.

Heck no…it’s been extorted from me and I INTEND to collect it in a couple of years…

And why indeed should I pay for someone else’s healthcare…

For the same reason that you should pay for public education, fire and police, public transportation and roads, and national defense. Because we ALL benefit from an educated and healthy society, we should all share in it’s cost.

But, again, I appreciate your honesty, as most are too cowardly to admit this is their motivation. Bravo to you for that.

I don’t like the “I’ve got mine, fuck everybody else” attitude, but I suspect there’s some elements about my thinking that you don’t like. I’ll always admit my motivations and reasons, and just wish the other side would as well.

Good day to you.

You don’t have to be anti-Israel to oppose Israel’s expansion of settlements in the West Bank.

You don’t have to be anti-Israel to be willing to consider a two-state solution in the Israel-Palestinian peace discussions.

It’s called the frickin’ social contract, asswipe. Has it never occurred to you that “You’re On Yer Own” is tantamount to a suicide pact? Has it never occurred to you that just because you have the money to pay for things for yourself now doesn’t mean you’ll always be able to do so in the future? Has it never occurred to you that any person’s worth as a human being has nothing to do with the amount of money they have? Has it never occurred to you that a poor person’s pain is every bit as urgent as a rich person’s pain? Did I say asswipe? Asswipe.

You’re having a conversation with furniture. DLoerke obviously has his own private police, fire department, army, navy, air force, water company, sewer company, school, university, etc.

Barney inspired me, I guess.

Hmmm and DennisSGMM and OldFatGuy: bravo, and thanks for the Troll-Be-Gone spray!

Dick Armey accusing someone of “ethics violations” is like Joseph Stalin accusing Walt Disney of being a communist.

More FAIL please, the angry tears of people like this are like nectar to a hummingbird – deeeeelicous!

And I demand equal time for Flat-Earthers!!! You “oblate spheroid” evangelists can stop cramming your “dogma” down my throat! Also!!!!

I think most Israelis would oppose your telling them where you can live in your own country. It’s theirs by history, UN vote, right of conquest and the right of any victor to declare the terms over an enemy who won’t sign a peace treaty. I say they should take the whole Davidic Kingdom territory, but I would oppose them giving further land without their own consent.

The Founders intended schools, roads and police to be handled locally where the individuals could participate in the government, not by some monstrous bureaucracy in London or Washington.

Such logic. The social contract does not commit me to suicide. The death boards in the 1,018 page monstrosity does. It’s in the bill. Read it. They’re counting on you not reading it. I did. I had the explanation key as well, but I read it.

(1) No, the social contract does not commit you to suicide. I didn’t say it did. What the social contract commits you to do is to give up a little in order to receive in return the innumerable benefits of living in society with other people. Rejecting the necessity to give up a little, on the other hand, — for example, telling other members of the society that they’re on their own– constitutes an abrogation on your part of the social contract, and by doing so you foreswear the benefits of living in society with other people. -That- is suicide.

(2) “The death boards in the 1,018 page monstrosity does. It’s in the bill. Read it. They’re counting on you not reading it. I did.” — Oh really? Section and page numbers of the part(s) of the bill creating death boards that commit you to suicide, please? Failure to produce same shall constitute proof of bullshitting.

I hope there’s a section of the bill that deals with increased access to mental health services, because this thread shows that someone needs them badly.

THIS JUST IN… INSURANCE COMPANIES HAVE ASKED THEIR EMPLOYEES TO “GO BLOG” AGAINST HEALTH CARE REFORM.
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THERE ARE SEVERAL MEMOS THAT HAVE GONE OUT WITHIN INSURANCE COMPANIES.
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Employees are being asked to use specially prepared “talking points” to try and disrupt conversation and debate on various Blog forums regarding Health-Care reform.
Generally their message will be centered on fear and/or anger.
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They have been trained by insurance company Political linguists to “give a human voice” to the “personal opposition” of Health Care reform on various Health Care related Blogs.
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Their scripts are updated daily: They are easy to distinguish by their inability to form any original or logical thought and by their aggressive and non-respectful tone.
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YOU CAN SPOT THE INSURANCE COMPANY OPERATIVES FROM A LEGITIMATE “VOICE” BECAUSE THEY WILL QUICKLY USE PERSONAL ATTACKS OR SEEMINGLY UNRELATED ATTACKS WHEN CHALLENGED.
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THEY ARE PLANTED BLOGGERS MEANT TO STOP DISCUSSION, REASON, LOGIC AND DEBATE AND ULTIMATELY PREVENT HEALTH CARE REFORM.
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http://wordbloom.wordpress.com/

In fairness, it’s not just a few. I saw an NBC poll that showed 45% of Americans believed the death panels were in the bill.

FOURTY-FIVE PERCENT.

I mean, sometimes I just can’t wrap my head around just how stupid the people in this country are sometimes, and then WHAM, I get hit upside the head with whole new proof that they, in fact, are that stupid and more.

45%.

Boguls the mind.

Waiting on that citation, loerkey.

YOU CAN SPOT THE INSURANCE COMPANY OPERATIVES FROM A LEGITIMATE “VOICE” BECAUSE THEY WILL QUICKLY USE PERSONAL ATTACKS OR SEEMINGLY UNRELATED ATTACKS WHEN CHALLENGED.
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THEY ARE PLANTED BLOGGERS MEANT TO STOP DISCUSSION, REASON, LOGIC AND DEBATE

Thanks. But that’s distinguishable from the garden-variety troll… how, again?

He’s looking… ; Limbaugh said it was there somewhere.

Rachel discussed this very subject last night as well as many previous nights. She is really going to work on this issue, bless her heart. It needs to be said.

Frankly, I like DLourke’s honesty. Because what he’s saying is actually what it’s always been about. They don’t want to pay for others care with their money, PERIOD. That’s their whole agenda right there.

Yeah, well I don’t want to pay for their unnecessary freakin’ wars that have done nothing to keep us safe. I also have a problem with paying for torture.

See page 425 of the House bill…euthanasia etc. discussed…Just wanted to close the loop. Some of us still sleep and work.

See post 118.

And oh, by the way, Rush cited the sections in the bill on his show today…

well I looked at page 425 of the bill (what did you think nobody would?)- Hospice yes Eutheansia no. shouldn’t feed the trolls but sometimes you have do things.

Re Rush – if he said it was raining i would get independent confirmation.

Well, hospice is not at all the same thing as euthanasia, and euthanasia is not at all the same as death boards that commit you to suicide, which is what Loerky originally asserted was in there. My late grandmother and my partner’s dad both volunteered for hospices in their retirements, and my grandmother’s passing would have been far more difficult without the help of hospice. Hospice is in my experience an excellent, venerable, and humane institution and I’m quite pleased to see it covered under the plan.

So thanks for posting the citation @188, Loerky, but did you misspeak? Or is it that you have a different interpretation of the p. 425 text that you would like to explain for us? Because the source does not appear to agree with your statement.

JoekLine today:

A striking example of the prevailing cravenness was Senator Johnny Isakson of Georgia, who has authored end-of-life counseling provisions and told the Washington Post that comparing such counseling to euthanasia was nuts — but then quickly retreated when he realized that he had sided with the reality-based community against his Rush Limbaugh-led party.

Seems germane to this discussion.

F you mate!

rethuglicans=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyvsc1ktgJE

F you, you lier!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYjyvkR0bGQ

There already is a “Death Book Manual” issued by the Federal Government advising wounded warriors on suicide methodology…If you cannot read between the lines in a complex piece of legislation that a liberal supreme court will interpret, then you are deliberately misinterpreting the legislation.

Can you explain why that makes any sense please?