I think, after this, we can officially designate Megan McArdle as the America’s Stupidest Blogger™.
But never mind that, let us watch McMegan as she dances and glides and grand jetés around the question of what we talk about when we talk about the uninsured:
Megan McArdle:…. There are also the problem of the uninsured, but the number of sick people that currently lack access to the system because of insurance issues is probably somewhere between 1–2% of the system. (That’s because uninsured status is heavily tied to being either young and healthy, or an immigrant who probably won’t be helped by whatever Obama puts together.) Interestingly, this is less than the 2.6% of people who are now uninsured in Massachusetts. I think there are probably better ways of helping them than gut rehabbing the system.
Later someone gets back to this with a "WTF? say what?"
..but the number of sick people that currently lack access to the system because of insurance issues is probably somewhere between 1–2% of the system.: I suppose by "sick" you mean people denied health insurance because of pre-existing conditions. But then you go on to compare that with ALL uninsured in MA for any reason. Talk about apples and oranges!! There are over 15% of the American people who do not have health insurance (for any reason). Compare that with MA’s 2% – 3%.
Megan McArdle: Right, but I don’t find the plight of people who don’t have health insurance, and also don’t need health care, very interesting. I am interested in whether sick people are not getting treatment that could help them. And in whether the programs being proposed will change that. In the case of young people, it will actually help very few, because most don’t need expensive treatment. In the case of immigrants, it will help very few, because politically, helping them is not very popular.
Let’s go to replay and look at that one more time:
Right, but I don’t find the plight of people who don’t have health insurance, and also don’t need health care, very interesting.
Because none of these people will ever ever ever get sick. And they will also never need umbrellas because it will never ever rain again.
But let’s move on to people that McMegan does finds interesting. Young people. Just like McMegan!
In the case of young people, it will actually help very few, : I think you need to retake Insurance 101. If you only insure people who are going to use it, that is not insurance.
Megan McArdle: Right, but then we’re just arguing about who to tax to pay for those who need care and can’t now get it. Young uninsured people are a plausible group, but most of them aren’t actually better off.
This will not play well in Williamsburg. No new iPhone 3G for you. Grandma needs a hip replacement so all your Mojito money are belong to us.
Also, the Brown people seem to be a problem:
Since the late 1980s, when we began collecting statistics on this, the percentage of native born Americans who are insured has dropped from roughly 87% to roughly 85%–you can get numbers that are more or less dramatic depending on your choice of start and end year, but in no case is the drop as much as 5 percentage points.
When Massachussetts enacted its plan, the percentage of uninsured dropped from over 11% to bout 2.5%. The cost of caring for the uninsured, however, fell by less than half. I have to believe a lot of that is driven by immigrants who aren’t in the tax system.
About 40% of the long-term uninsured are Latino. Remember, the dramatic 47 million figure you hear includes people who are uninsured for as little as a day–my fiancé is uninsured by this metric, even though he has been using his quite good health insurance quite a bit recently. The chronically uninsured are about 18 million. And as I say, almost half are Hispanic.
Juan tiene catarro. Lo siento, Juan. .Correr! LaMigra! Aiiieee … aiiieeee!
So what grand health care plan does McMegan propose that persuaded the WaPo to invite her to respond to her heavily moderated and screened questions with all of her "hypotheticals" and "competitive equilibrium" thought experiments?
Washington, D.C.: You want to means-test Medicare? That will go over well with the seniors!
Megan McArdle: You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I have a workable political program. I’m a libertarian. My political ideas are always unpopular.
You could have knocked me over with the invisible hand.





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Right, but I don’t find the plight of people who don’t have health insurance, and also don’t need health care, very interesting.
Putting her disgusting indifference to the plight of people who can’t afford $-thousands in private insurance fees aside for a sec; what living creature, human or otherwise, doesn’t need medical care at some point in their lives?
I’m a libertarian. My political ideas are always unpopular.
I hope someone brought up the article on her dad making his millions from from public works contracts.
She deserves a regular WaPo0 chat now; she’s proved herself. I bet Ana[l] Marie Cox is bored with her Monday a.m. gig, and would permit McMeghan to tag-team Tucker Carlson.
People would pay not to watch that, I bet. Opens a whole new realm of pay-per-click, the not-click.
Wow. Could anyone be that stupid and proud of it- that making up facts is just, as Gomer Pyle used to say: Dandy! This is my favorite…
Anonymous: You said that medical innovation will be wiped out if we have a type of national health care, because European drug companies get 80% of their revenue from Americans. Where did you get this statistic?
Megan McArdle: It wasn’t a statistic–it was a hypothetical.
Uh, no, it wasn’t a hypothetical- it was a lie. (I won’t even mock her for the failure to understand what a hypothetical really is…really, I won’t…)
She’s absolutely right. A few months back I checked my house very thoroughly — it wasn’t on fire, and nothing was missing. So I realized that I didn’t need that expensive home owner’s insurance and promptly canceled my policy. As an added bonus, our town decided over the summer that we didn’t need those fire trucks sitting idle in a garage almost all the time, so we sold them, reaping a windfall for the tax payers.
If only Americans would wake up to these simple realities we could get back to enjoying our freedoms.
I think 55% of Americans are for insuring the 10% of Americans that only have 35.6% coverage on their health insurance. Unfortunately the other 169% feel that the 46% of the 15% of the illegal immigrants in the 81% of the states we looked at do not have adequate insurance on their low riders. Therefore we propose that 5% of the 30% need to have 276% of their taxes raised to cover the offset of the other 10%. Im not interested in the 35% that have only 62%. Also.
Yes, but you forgot to take into account the 7.9% of the seniors who are simultaneously 15.1% of all the illegal immigrants who have crossed 54.2% of our state borders in the last 12.8 years. In addition, you neglected to realize that 99.9999999% of what MM says is pulled directly out of 45.6% of her skinny white ass and fed directly into her “brain” (for lack of a better word) where 87.1% is digested and discarded for actually holding .00001% truth in it. 9.4% is shelved for further digesting so all the sanity can be expelled, and the remaining 3.4% is vomited into our faces, thus causing 73.7% of us to recoil in disgust, 12.5% to be stunned into doing nothing, and 13.8% to lap it up and beg for more.
MM, you are a piece of shit. Putting aside all your made-up numbers and comparing apples to oranges and hatin’ on the brown people and your complete lack of understanding for the topic on which you are speculating, and what have you got? Nothing but more ugly lies. Stupid fucking glibertarian who can’t worry your pretty little head about, you know, actual people. STFU, you hateful bint.
“I’m a libertarian. My political ideas are always unpopular”
If by “unpopular” you mean “stupid and selfish.”
I wonder how many of her high school and college instructors left their professions or committed suicide after reading her essays.
The girl’s a shoo-in for Domestic Policy Adviser to the Palin 2012 campaign.
Correctamundo you are!
But hey, I’m a Democrat. My political ideas can never reach a consensus.
Megan is smarter than 32.4534% of the apples in the centerpiece on my kitchen table, but dumber than 93.465% of the chipmunks in my backyard. Therefore, I don’t need insurance.
Megan, I am not interested in you our your unpopular opinions.
Sadly, this is true.
You know, guys, we’ve missed the burning question: What does the dining table think of our little Miss Glibertarian?
The Washington Post seems to be under the mistaken impression that she has anything to say that is worth listening to. Does being a libertarian mean that any meaningless effusion that floats through your consciousness needs to be shared with the multitudes?
Too bad about that 6.535% of the chipmunks in your backyard. Do you have to go out and dig a mass grave every time it rains and they look up at the falling water until they drown? Or was that number a hypothetical?
If we could only give these people a taste of the world they advocate. The most strident among them would be the first to be eaten by bears. Megan and Jonah would be read for the last time in some predator’s scat.
Megan firmly believes that if poor people can still shit then they still have something with which to make sandwiches.
Meagan’s affianced and Megan remind me of what Oscar Wilde said about fox hunting: “the unspeakable in pursuit of the inedible.”
Bet Megan knows the quote. She was an English major at the University of Pennsylvania, I hope ya know, before she got the Chicago MBA that doubtless qualifies her to speak ex cathedra on health care economics.
McMegan once again reveals herself to be:
A) a moral monster
B) clueless
C) butt ignorant
D) sourcing all her “facts” from her ass.
If they have any decency (and if they actually passed her), all of them.
McMegan on her wedding night:
He: “Honey, why don’t you do that special little thing we’ve been talking about now that we’re officially married?”
She: “What?! That was just a hypothetical.”
$500 says that within a month after their wedding McMegan’s fiance hightails it to Argentina after realizing that she is actually a frigid, hateful, narcissist incapable of love for any other human being.
You think Suderman has a probelm with that?
He better, I just want my $500!
Out come the Obama and Hillary masks. Do not ask who wears which one.
Fiancee is an astroturfer. He’s more likely to just tell his buds all sorts of made-up shit about the dynamite sex he has with Meeg.
“I’m a libertarian. My political ideas are always unpopular”
Yes, because your opinions show the world that you’re a self-centered asshole….Libertarians are unpopular for the same reason that people who let their dog crap on your lawn are unpopular. Few people actually like jerks…
“I’m a libertarian. My political ideas are always unpopular”
In other words, her political ideas are always impossible.
So WHY BOTHER, Megan?
Seriously: How is it they’re paying her for this stuff? For the life of me, I just can’t understand it.
She’s not a libertarian, she’s a Republican.
Don’t watch what they say, watch what they (propose to) do. Means-testing a universally available social provision is always the first step towards turning it into welfare, then killing it. That was the plan with Social Security.
Libertarians are like assholes. Period.
The most strident among [McM,Jonah] would be the first to be eaten by bears.
What a perfectly horrible fate to visit upon innocent bears! What did those bears ever do to you? If the WingTard dumbth is infectious, there could be devastating effects.
Please. Think of the bears.
I was a young person. Just 27 years old when I quit my crappy full-time job (with health insurance) for the bright lights of a college degree. Forgive me I don’t know how university health insurance programs work. My blue collar family didn’t exactly have a whole lot of life-lessons for me other than get a job. Since I was a healthy and hearty young man, I didn’t need health insurance anyway. Twelve months later I found a hard spot in my neck, which then grew from the size of a jellybean to a golf ball over the course of a year. It was near where I thought my lymph node was so, understandably, I freaked the fuck out.
Fortunately, because I didn’t have a whole lot of choices after graduating high school (rural area, poor parents, no guidance from guidance counselors or teachers from high schoool) I traded four years of my life to the United States Air Force to protect our nation’s wealth and influence. Because I was a poor college student, I qualified for VA medical care. Within two months, I was on an operating table to have a benign tumor removed along with a salivary gland that cost me a grand total of $0 dollars.
There is no fucking way I was getting any kind of that medical care if I had to sign up for health insurance from a private healthcare company.
Fuck Megan McCardle. And that’s no hypothetical.
To be fair to Me-again, being a healthcare discussion, perhaps she was liberally referencing one of the foundations of modern medicine – The Hypothetical Oath.
Also, or something.
In the United States of America, under MY constitution, I have a RIGHT to be a libertarian asshole without the government taking my property or telling me what to do. So get your hands out of my pocketbook and get your government out of my business!
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Oh, that’s so sweet, honey. Oooops! Did you spit up again? Someone get me a tissue please. Uh oh, I think I smell something…time for a new diaper, cutie-pie.
You have a right to be a libertarian asshole. You don’t have the right to insist that the rest of us join you. You would have neither property nor liberty without the government to protect both, and if paying taxes in exchange for the services the government provides you is something you’d prefer not to do, please feel free to emigrate to the libertarian wonderland that is Somalia. There, you’ll be quite free of the oppressive heel of universal health care – or, indeed, any health care; but that’s what Going Galt is all about, isn’t it? Freedom from paying your share?
I’m sorry, but you are slightly mistaken…libertarians aren’t “like” assholes. As you can see from our lovely vistor, libertarians are assholes. Period.
Turkey DeLurkey:
In the United States of America, under MY constitution, I have a RIGHT to be a libertarian asshole … So get your hands out of my pocketbook and get your government out of my business!
So you’re saying that this is OUR government? What’s the role of YOUR constitution, then?
You’re as dumb as Megan.
You’re as dumb as Megan.
I’m sorry, I got carried away there. I didn’t mean to be QUITE that insulting.
Liberal bumper sticker: “Our National Health Plan: Don’t Get Sick.”
McArdle: “Exactly!”
Heh, I once knew a guy who regularly ranted that firefighters weren’t worth the money because they weren’t fighting fires every day. For his city of 2.4 million he proposed making firefighting “voluntary.”
I offered that he should contact the local fire department and let them know his house was off their grid, permanently.
Fix your own potholes, honey. And that bridge you cross every day? Next time it breaks down, you can rebuild it.
Yes, you have the right be stupid. But do you have to open your mouth?
My Constitution … the one that governs the United States of America…not the tyranny of Obama/Kennedycare…guarantees life, liberty and property. Did you realize that the new bill makes IRS data available to any member of the Federal and some State agencies? I thought you guys were against IRS data being publicized…and bonkers@33–it’s Communist and socialist countries that have nanny states,…why don’t YOU go to Canada or Great Britain or some other country that has what you want?
Fixing potholes is a matter of STATE and local control–where it belongs closest to the people who can decide how much bumpiness we want. Not the Feds. See the 10th Amendment.
The State collects taxes and receives transfer payments from the feds through tax revenue, Dummy.
You might want to make yourself aware of what taxes actually do for you on a day to day basis, practical things, things you evidently take for granted.
Cities, I should add, also depend on tax revenue returns. BIG TIME.
O’Reilly has been calling himself a Libertarian for years. Its code. Since their is no viable Libertarian party the default position is Republican. Obviously, O’Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, are effectively Republicans no matter what they may call themselves.
Same with McMegan. She’s just another Republican creep hiding behind the word Libertarian.
Hackworth, have you seen this?
How Megan arrived at being libertarian is puzzling since her personal inheritance – Daddy’s fortune – was built on public money. Her Atlantic blogging job is a virtual hobby. The woman doesn’t need to work. She’s completely disingenuous. For her, being libertarian is purely theoretical and doesn’t involve any risk. She has never and will never actually live as a libertarian.
Btw, I personally know two people who call themselves libertarians. Both are employed by the federal government, benefit from the federal government’s pension plan, medicare, and dental benefits.
I have found that most diehard libertarians are impossible to have a meaningful conversation with. It seems that our libertarian troll here is not interested in an exchange of ideas. If he wants to live in the fantasyland of state government and tinfoil hats so be it. Poking at him is mildly amusing, but I don’t see why you all are wasting bandwidth on a futile exchange.
This is true of all wingnuts. Wingnuts who controlled America for eight long and bloody years. Punching them squarely in the nose at regular intervals is a moral imperative.
Communist and socialist countries that have nanny states,…why don’t YOU go to Canada or Great Britain or some other country that has what you want?
Stop, stop, ur killing me!!! Canada, the great Commie threat! Buddy, u gotta take this on the road, u rock! Start with, oh, hell, Lethbridge. Then, maybe Regina and then breakthru stuff, Hull. They’re gonna love u in Hull, trust me!
DeLurkey Turkey:
My Constitution … the one that governs the United States of America…not the tyranny of Obama/Kennedycare…guarantees life, liberty and property.
Excuse me, but it does not. You are THINKING of the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. And in any case, the “property” part of that line (which came from Locke, I believe), was DELIBERATELY CHANGED to “the pursuit of happiness” in the Declaration.
Funny how you love your Constitution so much and don’t actually know what’s in it.
I take back my earlier mitigation: You ARE as dumb as Megan.
I think it ran away.
Too.Many.Facts.
It.Cannot.Compute.
DLoerke–”Your” Constitution “guarantees life, liberty and property.” The “United States” Constitution, which governs the civic life of the nation for the rest of us, was established to provide for, among other things, the “general welfare” of the people of the United States of America.
I appreciate your self-identification as a libertarian asshole in Comment 31. Our ancestors died at Trenton and Yorktown for your right to be an asshole. We, your fellow TBogg community members, recognize you as the biggest asshole around here. You are the epitome, the essence, Platonic ideal of the asshole.
I may disagree with your assholity, but will defend to the death your right to dribble your feces across the internet.
Uh oh. Baby’s getting fussy. He might be sick. Let’s take your diaper off and take your temperature. It’s okay, baby…it’ll just take a minute.
Some of us have to work for a living between posts…No, the Declaration established the principles upon which the Constitution was supposed to guarantee. Property was always the Synonym for “pursuit of Happiness”…it was adapted from John Locke. Without property, it was impossible to gain happiness. Property nowadays is what progressives and tyrants throughout history have tried to seize. As far a General Welfare, it was only meant as precatory to bind the states together as a polity not for the people of the states.
I don’t think you want to punch us in the nose. Without saying anything that would get me banned, many people on our side do believe in the Second Amendment fervently….
The only professed libertarian I know retired from one of our local PDs on disability when he was in his early thirties. He hikes, camps, and works on his Jeep.
So you’d shoot a woman for taking a swing at you?
Pussy.
Cities or states should NEVER depend on Federal tax revenue. That is what got us into our deficit problems in the first place…and Canada is not communist…just confused socialist…but sounds like paradise for progressives. So you guys live up there…us conservatives will keep the Liberty loving United States…
I’m just saying it is not wise for the progressives to think they can shove their tyranny down the Nation’s conservatives without great resistance and ultimately rebellion. We will not ALLOW our property and liberty to be taken by force.
Once again, DLoerke, can you give that to us in English, please? The Constitution is supposed to guarantee upon principles? What does that mean on our planet?
So, having property is what makes libertarian assholes happy? I guess that is a consequence of not giving a shit about anybody but yourselves. Hope you’ve got lots of toys.
The robber barons got all the best parcels generations ago. Nobody wants your trailer park lot – progressive or otherwise. The idea that you believe that you must defend it is ridiculous and exactly what your masters want you to think. They just want you to buy gasoline, pay your property taxes and die before you make any significant claims on your health insurance or social security benefits.
That’s all they want from any of us. Good for you that you view that as life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
‘Confused socialist’? Dude, where are you getting this stuff? I have -got- to take you to meet the guys in Alberta – I absolutely know they’re just waiting for your wisdom!
Without property, it was impossible to gain happiness.
It WAS impossible to be happy without owning property? It’s a damn good thing it isn’t impossible any more. Whew.
Lurkey, darling, a word in your shell-like ear: your attempt to baffle us with bullshit didn’t, in fact, cover your ignorance of the provisions of the Constitution and what went into choosing those specific words for the Declaration and the Constitution. None of it was done carelessly or without knowledge of how and to whom the words applied. You simply don’t know what you’re talking about (probably reading too many ignorant libertarian sites–they are chockablock with wishful thinking). So all that desperate backing and filling you did to defend your stone ignorance of the documents and their history was just…laughable.
Honestly, you really should have made a strategic withdrawal when I called you on that first, very basic boo-boo. But you’ve come back and made yourself look even more foolish, digging deeper into your absurd little foxhole. I would say you ought to be embarrassed, but that little tap dance just showed us that you have no shame.
DLoerke -
Your problem, like that of all the selfish little libertarians, is that you basically want a free ride. You want all the benefits of life in a civilized society, but do not want to pay your share (and the more prosperous you are, the larger your share is, because you have obviously benefited more from the system than others have). Taxes are quite simply the membership fee for living in civilized society. If you do not want to pay taxes, move to Somalia or Eritrea. Otherwise kindly go fuck yourself with a rusty chainsaw.
Some of us have to work for a living between posts…
What do you do for a living? Type facebook entries for Sarah Palin?
When I said punch, I meant sprinkle salt. *sprinkle sprinkle*
She wants me to know she could and would murder me or have her friends murder me (probably the latter), but murdering me for disagreeing with her is less important to her than trolling TBogg’s site.
I work with an avowed Republican Party supporter who regards his salary as a disability allowance. He works 10 to 20 minutes a week. But he’s a rootin’ tootin’ welfare and homeless hater.
Uh no, but go on, humour me. How did America’s cities bring on the massive deficit created by a) relentless borrowing of hundreds of $-billions from China to fund the Iraq war, b) the lack of oversight by the Bush government resulting in the loss and theft of billions; and c) Wall Street. Name each city and provide evidence.
Before you begin making shit up out of whole cloth, all American cities, towns, villages, etc., including the backward hamlet that houses you, receive transfer payments. Always have.
I work with an avowed Republican Party supporter who regards his salary as a disability allowance. He works 10 to 20 minutes a week. But he’s a rootin’ tootin’ welfare and homeless hater.
Isn’t it interesting how all these well-cushioned office doinks think they work so HAAAAAAAARD?
Try being a hotel maid, short order cook, migrant farm worker or waiter, you lazy doops. The people your eyes skim over every day while you’re waiting for your coffee work harder than you, the same number of hours or more, and for a LOT less money.
Don’t get me started.
Hey, kids, here’s fun! I’m a schizophrenic. I’m currently medicated, but my insurance is on the verge of deciding I don’t need to see the shrink who controls my meds anymore. (I think they would call that rationing, if it were a government doing it, right?) Anyway, if we lose the insurance, which has happened three times in the last few years due to my partner getting laid off, I am effectively uninsurable at any price, hello pre-existing conditions!
Anyway, I’m about to be an improperly medicated schizophrenic, so, hey my libertarian pals, you better hope like hell I don’t live near you the day I decide to go kill myself in traffic during rushhour, or whatever else I may end up doing.
Seriously, what baffles me most about libertarians is not their selfishness, but the shortsighted nature of their selfishness. Me, I don’t have kids. And yet I don’t bitch and moan about paying for schools, because I know that as long as the kids other people have are getting decent educations and hope for the future, they probably won’t be trying to mug me for drug money or relying on welfare when they get older. I consider this a good thing for me as well as them, and well worth the amount of cash we pay in property taxes. Same with health care. People who can see doctors regularly without a lot of hassle and expense are more likely to get treated for whatever it is before they wind up too sick to work, coughing on me on the streets, or sitting in the ER, all of which I consider selfish reasons to be for universal care. As a plus to my selfishness, people who aren’t me also don’t have to lose their jobs or their lives. This seems like a benefit all around.
But even if you can’t bring yourself to accept that we should help our fellow humans because, you know, we’re all in this together, you might at least consider helping them because otherwise you personally pay more in the long run, and with a lot more than money.
The primary beneficiaries of federal transfer payments are rural, largely southern and western, and overwhelmingly red states like Montana, where I live.
Julia, I am so fed up with this a-hole I barely acknowledge his existence anymore. I don’t copy him on work or articles or news. I am carrying a huge workload – doing 100% of 99% of the load and he’s making the same salary as me. Some how, some way he’s managed to get away with this crap.
He’s also a huge blatherer in meetings and calls, schmoozing the bosses and pretending he’s invested when he doesn’t do a damn thing. Some weeks he does no work at all. If anyone remotely questions what the fuck is going on (me), they are made to feel guilty.
My way of coping with this nonsense is to pretend he isn’t there.
Irony though. I’m a die hard liberal with a strong work ethic. He’s a die hard neoconservative who has always taken pride in “the lazy approach” (his words).
Even better! (Though I’m surprised smaller populations get more of the share.)
High population is associated with high levels of urbanization, industry, and commerce, hence higher incomes and paying more taxes. Rural states are much poorer and pay less taxes, as well as collecting more agricultural subsidies. IIRC, here in Montana we pay about $0.75 in taxes for every $1.00 in federal transfer payments. In addition to huge agricultural subsidies, the state gets offset payments for military bases and Indian reservations. There are also federal highway dollars for the fourth largest state with the third lowest population density.
We will not ALLOW our property and liberty to be taken by force.
Then it’s going to be the camps with you. Bummer, the conversation we’re having is so fascinating.
I am so sorry that you have to go through this. I have no words of wisdom, but know that I am sending a white light your way. I hope that your insurance comes to its senses, though. Please keep checking in, ok?
Dr.Dick, I completely agree with you at #65. We are a society, which means we do things that will benefit the greater good. Fuck MM and her hypotheticals.
Damn. Thanks for the hearty laugh. I really needed it!
Come to Canada, DSidhe. As shitty as our governments are at the moment, in not adequately funding public health care, the service is infinitely better and you would not go through that here. On the government plan, you pick your doctor and the government doesn’t decide your treatment, your doctor does. The doctor bills the government for services rendered and the government pays. All you have to do is pay the monthly premium (around $75 dollars where I live and my employer pays half of that).
But it’s okay for y’all to do that to us. That is what you’re telling us, isn’t it?
BTW, liberals are also gun owners. You might want to think about that.
Libertarian: somewhat whose childish “no-one gets anything from my lolly bag” matured into “get your own lolly bag”
You realize you just described the Confederate States of America Constitution, don’t you?
Or was that the point?
Who do you do you prefer to make a decision for a needed medical procedure for your child, a non-fire-able, arrogant, overpaid government employee that sole objective is to make it through the 6 hour day without signing anything and with a politician mandating what he can do, (deal with them every week) or, a for profit insurance agent that has to answer to about a thousand competitive healthcare providers? Each knows to make a better profit and life for themselves is to provide a product that is 1. Quality, 2. Fast, 3. Cheap. Pick any two. A competitive market would never allow any one company to provide all three due to every company striving for that three point goal. Introduce the one payer government controlled health care. Simply, when there are no profit incentives, there can be no quality, speed or price reduction. Tank all three and exterminate innovation. Quote Obama “ competition from a government plan — without high executive salaries and the need to post profits could keep big insurance companies honest.” Great, who keeps the Billions in government payroll honest. Absolutely no one. Proof of what I’m saying is in the history books. Socialized health care in every country across the globe has caused hundreds of millions to suffer and die an early death. No exceptions. Will it work here, of course, our DNA is superior to the rest of the planet. Right. The so called not for profit government will not allow the government media propaganda to acknowledge that the government cut of the cash flow is far in excess to the insurance companies. The red stared fur caped progressives have been brainwashed into thinking that a for profit insurance company is a cuss word. Unless they are bleeding heart idiots that have no clue to planet history or they are arrogant self serving F… our children, freedom and the country, no rational person could support Obama care. Forcing Americans to purchase Government health care at the point of a gun IS un-constitutional. Freedom and capitalism built this country so that even the poorest have better health care then the other socialized countries. No government program on the planet has ever been successful. The progressive communist can call me all the names they want, I don’t give a s—- they are the enemy of my country and children and must be defeated.
I’m with you guy, The mass of idiot communist on this site will not change their minds. Their Daddies were Bill Ayers Democrats they will always be American haters. Facts just irritate them, entertaining to read their reaction.
Airmaster, you are so correct. If even Barack Obama compares the new public health plan he wants as equal to the post office is that what we want? Something that runs a permanent deficit and can’t get the goods delivered reliably. But in addition to my regular duties, someone has to keep an eye on these folks here.