Today’s battles are too confusing. Let’s just keep re-fighting the ones from the 1900’s.

“Normally anything that is bad for Iran gives Jennifer a major case of ladywood…”

Wow, just out of the hospital and you’re already turning it up to “11″.

Snarkilicious!

The Neville Chamberlain of today has betrayed our closest allies on the 70th anniversary of the Soviet (and Nazi) invasion of their territory. This person is not defending the United States; he is denuding it of defenses we need against Iran and North Korea AND a newly emboldened Russia and Red China. We will be forced to rely upon Israel for our national defense. God Help the United States for only He can save it from the traitors within.

1) “US plans for a “Star Wars” missile base in Poland have been met with wide spread opposition and protests…On March 29, hundreds protested in the regional city of Slupsk where the US missile base is planned to be built. Polls show 60% of Slupsk residents are against the proposed base and 87% demand a referendum on the issue. The opposition level is similar throughout Poland.”

2) “Polls show strong opposition to the basing of missile defence in Europe. Opposition in the Czech Republic is around 70% and UK polling [see note 4 below] shows that the majority of the public think the system will make us less safe.”

3) “…The mayors represent a delegation of a total of 130 Czech mayors who publicly oppose the project. The trip of the mayors is also supported by 13 of the total 14 heads of regional governments as well as many mayors from other European countries. As polls show, approximately 70% of Czechs are also against the plan.”

I really can’t believe I’m the first one to say, “WOLVERINES!”

I do not know this Jennifer Rubin woman, but she has immediately shot up my list of bloggers (assuming that’s what she is) I will ruthlessly ridicule for the rest of my life.

Oh, and, WOLVERINES!

Ah, thank you for your service to America. In which branch of the Armed Forces, and in what conflict, did you serve?

Why you wanna harsh anyone’s high with what people in Eastern Europe actually think of us planting our seed there and staking our claim, huh? Why you gotta do that?

Neville Chamberlain? First he was Hitler and Stalin. Now he has to be Chamberlain, too? There are just so many hours in a day, you know.

The Paylins are definitely trying to cut off their Johnston, which would be a shame because it really ties the back seat of the Camaro together…at least it did that one night a couple years ago.

They’re so out of their element.

The administration that promised to restore our standing in the world is on quite a roll. Open hostility toward Israel.

Refocusing an effort to intercept short-range missles from Iran that would ostensibly provide further protection for Israel constitues open hostility towards Isael? Logic is not her friend.

ladywood!

Another TBogg Bartlett’s entry…or were you just talking golf clubs?

This means that Rubin (And DLoerke) would be totally down with it if Russia put ABMs and radar bases in Cuba and Mexico to protect us against missiles launched by Hugo Chavez – right?

George W. Bush established, as even the Times concedes, “a special relationship” with Eastern Europe. After all, these are countries that emerged from the yoke of Communism

and bla bla bla…..

Who else here can’t help but think W had to have a “special relationship” with these countries because they were part of the Multinational Force in Iraq?

I’ll see your “Wolverines” and raise you two “Also”’s.

Obama is in the business of kowtowing to the world’s bullies.

Like the GOP? Yeah, he does do a bit too much of that. Perhaps he should just bomb them into oblivion and salt the earth so nothing ever grows there again.

Happy now?

“The administration that promised to restore our standing in the world is on quite a roll. Open hostility toward Israel.”

Please. If Israel wants long-range missiles, let the JCC hold an extra Super-Sunday fundraiser for them. I’m tired of having my tax dollars support the most god-forsaken patch of sand in the middle east.

Of all the places he could have picked to stop for a few thousand years’ rest, Moses had to pick the only spot in the desert without oil or water. If the Jews were as smart as the Xians think they are, they’d sell Israel to the fundies, buy a really nice set of islands, pack up the Holy Places on Korean freighters, and open up a theme park in the South Pacific.

took the words right out of my mouth.

Because our standing in the world was so enhanced by Bush’s simple-minded, bullshit bellicosity.
And your idea regarding relocation of the holy places would work because within six weeks the fundies would be producing Bible verses proving that Jesus was born in Togo.

I thought “The Messiah” was born in Hawaii.

Oh boy, I love it when trolls dip an occasional toe into TBogg’s waters. They don’t come round here nearly often enough for me.

Hawaii, Togo: they’re both foreign countries.

I don’t really get how in the neocon imagination Israel is supposed to be both endlessly vulnerable and at the same time all swagger and kick-ass.

The same way the wingers can be loudmouthed, obnoxious, gun carrying assholes and yet still be victims of the media, atheists, brown people…

The Romans plowed salt into the Carthaginians land and they were never a threat again. Not a bad idea…

In case you didn’t hear, there has been a large oil strike near the Dead Sea. Expect drilling and more global warming from the Middle East. British Petroleum has already signed a deal to exploit it.

I have served in the Civilian branches of the US Government for a number of years including science agencies supporting the United States Air Force.

That logic is quite simple: The missiles stop strikes from Iran. If Iran hits Israel, automatic World War results. Because the United States, by treaty obligation, must support Israel. Obama doesn’t get to repeal previous obligations of the country. He must uphold them. So it would be better to stop any missiles against us OR Israel.

How come the Polish government has strongly objected to the American annoucnement? You may find a few dissenters but they WANT our help. Shouldn’t we provide it to folks who have been good allies and supportive of the USA. It seems Obama only wants to befriend our enemies and demonize our friends. This shows he is fighting United States interests.

exactly. a 100 billion dollar boondoggle in exchange for 9 guys and and a used vw micro bus.

Then tell us again why we’re building it as opposed to say, the people it would ostensibly protect?

Excellent. So just to be clear, you have never actually fought in an armed conflict, or carried arms in service to your country, or even served in any capacity with the Navy, Army, Air Force, Marines, National Guard, Coast Guard, or even the Peace Corps?

And yet you call the Commander in Chief a “traitor.”

Just so we’re clear.

He lives!!!!

You may find a few dissenters… See, this is where math illiteracy leads you: 60% is “a few.” You know, the 40% of Senators who are Republicans disagree with Obama a lot. But in wingnut math, even 60% is “a few,” so that 40% must represent what, a skosh?

“…must represent what, a skosh?”

Or perhaps a “nonce.”

Ooooh! Pinch me! Those bright boys from Technion finally figured out how to slant drill all the way to Saudi Arabia!

Oooh! Pinch me! Those boys from Technion finally figured out a way to slant drill all the way to Saudi Arabia!

You’d think the rightwingers would be happy that we won’t be spending billions of US tax dollars defending European socialists.

-G

When did Israel relocate to Eastern Europe?

-G

Mmmm, mmm mmm. Isn’t that gubmint teat delicious?

Because the Polish government is worse than our previous administration, that’s why.

BTW, I call fake troll. Phonetically, it’s “de-lurk”. Good one. Or, second choice, it’s a rotten bastard foreign name that no patriot troll would dare use. It’s Dutch, or Belgian, or even Monacan, is what it is. Also.

Obama doesn’t get to repeal previous obligations of the country.

Damn Straight. That is Bush’s prerogative.

We will be forced to rely upon Israel for our national defense.

Crap. The Jews are taking over everything, even National fucking Defense.

Also. Wolverines. Nazi. Stalin.

“Sarah Palin will left to protect our icy northern borders from invasion hopefully much better than she protected her daughter’s swampy southern regions from an invasion by the johnson of Johnston.”

*swoon*

Devarim 11:10-12. Also the Galilee is very nice. Not a desert at all.

(The point being that Egypt and its steady source of water was to be suspected. “When You shut up the heavens and there will be no rain” was something to expect and prepare against. We could also ask why there are cities in LA and Las Vegas for that matter.)

On Topic:
This seems very confused. If the Bush administration’s entire stated purpose for these missiles was to defend against Iran, and said administration had to cajole the Polish and Czech people to have them, then there is no “betrayal” in the side purpose of their not defending against Russia.

Except the salting of Carthage likely never occurred, first “reported” well into the nineteenth century, some 1800 years later.

and, looking at a globe shows Israel being in a radically different direction from Eastern Europe, at least using Iran as a starting point. Unless you are talking about Turkey, any defensive missiles launched from Eastern Europe will have to really hustle to “defend” Israel.

Not sure why you think Iran “hates” Israel. Too many propaganda sites in your life these days?

Just because the Europeans thought Georgie should ride the “special” bus does not imply that the entire relationship was “special.”

My understanding is that the Europeans don’t WANT that missile system in their backyard.

So you wingnuts can STFU already— under the Bush regime we walked all over other countries and under the Obama administration we are showing RESPECT to other countries.

From Der Spiegel, we learn of the coming elections in Poland. The Poles, too, have a new more moderate government than it did back in the days of Bush . . . and it seems they aren’t terribly thrilled with these missiles (emphasis added):

Unlike its conservative predecessor, the Tusk government hasn’t made the weapons system a central foreign policy issue. In fact, Tusk may even support Obama’s decision. Ultimately, Tusk wants to get re-elected as president, and the missile shield has proven extremely unpopular with voters. More than half of Poles surveyed say they are against it, with only 29 percent supporting the shield.

No,no,no,no! The US has no treaty obligations with Israel regarding defense.
Israel has never legally defined its borders and under I’ntl. law cannot enter into defense treaties with anyone. Dumbass!

Hi, putz. It’s sort of an honor to share a thread with the asshole who garnered himself an entire post from TBogg based on a bone-headed comment. You do realize you’re a buffoon, don’t you?

They also surf who only sand and wade.

Snort!

That logic is quite simple: The missiles stop strikes from Iran. If Iran hits Israel, automatic World War results. Because the United States, by treaty obligation, must support Israel. Obama doesn’t get to repeal previous obligations of the country. He must uphold them. So it would be better to stop any missiles against us OR Israel.

Maybe your “logic” would make more sense if I were drunk. Unfortunately, I’m not. You’re telling us that the mere presence of missiles in Israel will stop missile strikes from Iran? This seems to run counter to the wingnut stereotype that the EYE-ranians are Islamofascist fanatics who are only too willing to commit suicide in a trice to kill GOD-FEARING (the real WHITE one) Xians! You’re also assuming that interceptor missiles that have less than 50% accuracy in tracking and stopping other airborne missiles will keep Iran from hitting Israel with its non-nuclear weapons. Forget logic. The math does not support this.

Your mental leap from a lack of interceptor missiles for Israel = automatic air strike of Israel by Iran = World War is equally lacking in foundation. First of all the presence or absence of interceptor missiles will have no deterrent effect if Iran chooses the nuclear option. Now, as crass as this sounds, the beauty of the nuclear option is that it saves the US a sh*tload of money over the next few decades. We won’t have to pour money into the middle east any more, because it will all be toast–including the Iranians, who will suffer mightily from any blowback, as well as the obligatory retaliatory strikes by Israel using the nuclear weapons it pretends not to have. It will all happen so fast that, golly gee! the US won’t have time to respond! And while cows may glow in Minnesota, the air will be much cleaner–because more than half of the world’s known petroleum reserves will suddenly be too dangerous to pursue. We won’t be driving everywhere like we do now.

Second, even if the Iranians bomb the crap out of Israel with conventional weapons, there is a big difference between “support” and fighting Israel’s battles for them. Support can take many forms–from selling them weapons to boost our defense contractors’ bottom lines, to sending money, to saying nice things on the tee-vee: “We feel your pain… The check is in the mail.”

You’re telling us that the mere presence of missiles in Israel will stop missile strikes from Iran?

No, no, no. DLoerke is saying the presence of missiles in the Czech Republic and Poland will stop missile strikes on Israel from Iran.

Gimme if you can make any sense of that.

I have served in the Civilian branches of the US Government for a number of years including science agencies supporting the United States Air Force.

I realise I’m a little late to the party, but if I read you correctly, you are or were a hanger-on of some people in the support section of the least military of the military branches.
Well.
As a three-tour combat infantryman (and I can prove that with my DD214–do you even know what a DD-214 is?) please kindly go douse yourself in gasoline and strike a flint. Why is it people like you always want to use the military for your dick-swinging excercises? Since it’s my dick and not yours, do all of us a favor and hang yourself from the nearest tree. Really. Chickenhawk is just another word for Oxygen Thief.

Oh. Well, THAT clarifies EVERYTHING!

Of course you realize that the reason we don’t understand all of this is because, as “civilians,” we couldn’t possibly be expected to comprehend the oxymoron that is military intelligence.

Here’s the best part about the missile defense systems. Even if they worked, which they most certainly do not, the forward bases consist of large, vulnerable tracking radars. It’s a system designed to stop a single missile only, because if whoever is shooting the missiles happens to have, say TWO MISSILES, the first one could just take out the base first, leaving the second one unimpeded. Or a group of guys with some explosives could eliminate the base pretty quickly. Missile defense is based on the antagonist being of Palin-level stupidity. For only a couple of hundred billion dollars!

If the wingnuts are really all that worried about the Russkies threatening our supply of Pilsner Urquell, simple solution: gather up all the good patriotic 2nd Amendment supporters who show up at Obama appearances with their assault rifles and drop them behind the Iron Curtain. DLoerke, that grizzled veteran of unnamed “branches of the US Government” (nudge nudge) can be the commander of the Noo Inglourious Basterds.

…what? We should give them parachutes before dropping them? Oh, if you insist.

We should give them parachutes before dropping them? Oh, if you insist.

But, but, but, DEFICITS!1!!!

Chickenhawk is just another word for Oxygen Thief.

Oh, snap! soonergrunt FTW.