
Okay, before we get to the random ten thingy, this (courtesy of Steve at NMMNB) must be addressed:
Creed Is Good
Scott Stapp’s nu-grunge foursome was seriously underrated.
I realize that Slate is all about the contrary, what with Saletan working the vagina beat, and Kaus and his whole goats vs human interrelations thing, but ferchristsakes, championing Creed? Have you no decency, Jonah Weiner?
There’s no telling whether Creed will make good on its second chance, but the band deserves a second listen. If your impulse on hearing that it has reunited is to groan, stifle it long enough to locate a copy of Creed’s 2004 Greatest Hits collection. It’s a fantastic baker’s dozen of first-rate schlock-rock, courtesy of one of the most underrated and unfairly maligned groups in pop history.
No. No. Creed was not “unfairly maligned”. They were not maligned enough, and you’re going to have to do better than this:
Listening to Creed today, it’s hard to reconcile the animus against the band with the music. (The animus against the group’s satiny tunics and slithery facial hair was always perfectly understandable.) In his lyrics, Stapp is a well-meaning, Bible-fluent doofus, easy to chuckle at but difficult to imagine hating. “The world is heading for mutiny, when all we want is unity,” he sings on “One.” The trouble wasn’t that he was a blustery, would-be messiah (that didn’t stop Bono’s canonization) so much as the unrepentant hamminess he brought to the role: ample baritone quaking and churning, arms outstretched atop mountains and hovering, Christlike, above crowds in music videos. On stage, Stapp was Charlton Heston in leather pants, humping the stone tablets. His brand of fist-pumping, hair-tossing, pelvis-swiveling rocksmanship was hardly without precedent; it just seemed obnoxiously anachronistic. An audacious throwback to the preening hair-metal era (and, even further, to Robert Plant’s roosterish sashay), Stapp audaciously reinflated rock’s hot-air balloon less than a decade after Kurt Cobain was thought to have punctured it for good.
Really? Of all the Creed lyrucs out there, you really want to go to war with this:
“The world is heading for mutiny, when all we want is unity,”
Fail. You really should have gone with this:
Only in America
We’re slaves to be free
Only in America we kill the unborn
To make ends meet
Only in America
Sexuality is democracy
Only in America we stamp our dollar
“In God We Trust”
That just…rawks.
Speaking of Jonah Weiner, Robert Christgau:
Many editors–among those who think about such things at all, probably most–love this stupid cliche. They love to think rock critics are ridiculous. The reason is simple–they don’t want to feel ignorant about pop music, although they are, or think about it, although they can’t. Of course there are bad rock critics out there, but that’s the last you’ll hear from me on that subject in this post. Weiner doesn’t qualify, although he seems to be working on it. Understandably, he’s desperate for work. So he posits for such editors a version of “the reader,” that unempirical figure via whom editors habitually personify their own prejudices: “Many readers who are otherwise passionate about culture have little time for music writing, irritated that it speaks in abstract, jargon-stuffed language about ostensibly mainstream entertainment.” “Not me sir,” Weiner declares. “I have muscles and everything. Just get me Access. And at least a buck a word, please please please.”
That would probably explain:
On stage, Stapp was Charlton Heston in leather pants, humping the stone tablets.
That also…rawks. But in a much suckier way.
Okay. Enough of that. Random ten thingy and, just watch, Limp Bizkit will make an appearance just to undermine me:
Gonna Find You -Operation Ivy
Therapy – Infectious Grooves
That’s It That’s All – The Beastie Boys
Winterlong – Neil Young & Crazy Horse
Black Cow – Steely Dan
Pictures of Me – Elliott Smith
You and Your Sister – Chris Bell
St Peter’s Day Festival – Ra Ra Riot
Turn On Your Radio – Harry Nilsson
La Cantatrice – Modern Jazz Quartet
and number eleven so that we may wash the idea of Creed = underrated from our beautiful minds:
I Don’t Know – The Replacements.



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1.”Lost”- Cool Calm Pete- Lost
2.”That’s Not me”- The Beach Boys- Pet Sounds
3.”Mango Tree”- Angus & Julia- A Book Like This
4.”Rap Promoter”- A Tribe Called Quest- The Low End Theory
5.”Cuttin’ In”- Sean Costello- Cuttin’ In
6.”Masterpiece”- Ratdog- Live At the Hoyt Sherman Theatre 4/16/01
7.”Warehouse”- DMB- The Best Of What’s Around
8.”China Cat Sunflower”- Grateful Dead- Steppin’ Out w/ the Grateful Dead
9.”Stompin’ My Foot”- North Mississippi Allstars- The Stone Church 5/18/06
10.”Jasper”- The Bad Mitten Orchestra- Saints Of The Blue Avenue
and…
Fear and Love- Morcheeba- Big Calm
Fireworks- Grateful Dead- Soldier Field 7/9/95
1. Good Stuff – The B-52′s
2. Little Wonder – Augie March
3. Steppin’ Out – Cream
4. Breathless – Jerry Lee Lewis
5. Little Miss Emperor – Iggy Pop
6. The Darkness Was Vague – Chris Bathgate
7. Nothing Will Take Your Place – Boz Scaggs
8. Poverty – The Subdudes & Johnny Ray Allen
9. Don’t Let The Sun Catch You Cryin’ – Ray Charles
10. How Do You Think It Feels – Lou Reed
**Bonus** Night Life – Willie Nelson
“First-rate schlock-rock”? Is that like “excellent shit sandwich” oxymoronic?
Also.
Grunge?
Weiner has written a good IQ test — “How many things can you find wrong with this article?”
I found 1,257 so far. Yes, that’s more than the total word count, but many of his statements are wrong dozens of times over.
And having said that, my list is now probably going to contain nothing but embarrassments. Here goes:
1. Carry On - Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young
2. Gabrielle – Ween
3. If Looks Could Kill - Camera Obscura
4. Is It Too Late? – World Party
5. No Place To Go - 239B
6. Old Joe’s Place - The Folksmen
7. Surf Wax America - Weezer
8. Agaetis byrjun - Sigur Ros
9. Ruiner – Nine Inch Nails
10. Jawbone – The Band
Encore: Hanging Upside Down - David Byrne
Nice comment at LGM on the Slate/Creed apologia:
Why would anyone defend Creed? There are other bands out there I will defend, but not creed. Sad that this economy forces things like a creed reunion and a Backstreet Boys reunion. Why can’t good bands get back together? here’s my 10 for yesterday, and it’s good to be back.
1) “Magic Carpet Ride” Steppenwolf
2) “Shake Your Rump” Beastie Boys
3) “Anarchy in the UK” Sex Pistols
4) “Setting Sun” by Chemical Brothers
5) “Hang me Up to Dry” Cold War Kids
6) “Rag and Bone” by White Stripes
7) “Blue Monday” by Orgy
8) “Chocolate” by Snow Patrol
9) “Check my brain” by Alice in Chains
10) “Berlioz Symphony Fantastique 5th Movement” by Hector Berlioz
Not a bad day today! Hopefully it’s a good thursday.
a regular taunt to my children
fuck boy bands, you will never live down Creed !
The Jitters – The Dismemberment Plan
Love Of The Loveless – Eels
You’ll Come Down – The Toadies
The New – Interpol
Bitter-Sweet – Roxy Music
Only With You – Dennis Wilson
The Gold Finch & The Red Oak Tree – Ted Leo & The Pharmacists
Falling Down Again – Buick MacKane
Straight Shooter – The Mamas & The Papas
King Of Fighters – Del The Funky Homosapien
Eleven:
Ecclesiastes: Free My Heart – Me’Shell Ndegeocello
1. “Big Brother” – Stevie Wonder
2. “Treasures” – Thievery Corporation
3. “Reflections 1″ – John Renbourn
4. “Blue Jay Way” – The Beatles
5. “Roll Over Beethoven” – Chuck Berry
6. “Othe Mera Yar Wasda” – Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan & DJ Gaudi
7. “Once Upon A Time” – Air
8. “Voodoo” – The Neville Brothers
9. “No Self Control” – Peter Gabriel
10. “Nasty Habits” – Oingo Boingo
and a Very Special Bonus Track:
11. “My Johnny Was A Shoemaker” – Steeleye Span
Infectious Groves? I think you meant Infectious Grooves…
…and, really? Infectious Grooves? I would have guessed you were above that kind of transparent, early 90s, attempt to jump on the chili peppers bandwagon.
I found the little skits on their first album featuring the Amos ‘n’ Andy style stereotyping of a black musician particularly odious.
1. Down in the Tube Station at Midnight – The Jam
2. Furnace Room Lullaby – Neko Case
3. Agnus Dei , from Mass ‘The Western Wind’ (Taverner) -– King’s College Choir/Willcocks
4. J’ai Danse Avec L’Amour – Edith Piaf
5. Titanic Blues – Hi Henry Brown & Charlie Jordan
6. Liberty Tree – The Boston Camerata/Cohen
7. O vos omnes, from Tenebrae Responsorium on Holy Saturday (Victoria) – Robert Shaw Festival Singers/Shaw
8. Big River – Johnny Cash
9. North Of The Sunset – Thelonious Monk
10. The Star Spangled Banner – Jimi Hendrix
11. Nun danket alle Gott, BWV 386 (JS Bach) – Choir of King’s College, Cambridge/Cleobury
12. Girl From The North Country – The Waterboys
Well, I guaranfuckingtee no Creed. And no Nickelsuck.
Limp Bizkit, however … well …
::crosses fingers::
Love and Happiness — Al Green
Statesboro Blues — The Allman Brothers Band
Boom Boom — John Lee Hooker
Fish On (Fisherman Chronicles, Chapter II) — Primus
Here Comes the Sun — Beatles
Shakedown Street — The Grateful Dead
Heads in Georgia — J.J. Cale & Eric Clapton
Through the Morning, Through the Night — Robert Plant and Alison Kraus
Sister Christian — Night Ranger (OH SWEET JEEBUS NO!!!!!!)
Three Days — Jane’s Addiction
And one more, despite the chance something else sucky as all hell will show up:
Is it Luck — Primus
That was a fairly mellow list and I almost made it through it without anything embarrassing.
Almost.
1.) Handle With Care – Jenny Lewis with The Watson Twins
2.) Body & Soul – Thelonious Monk
3.) Wiggle Wiggle – Jaco Pastorius
4.) Bad Liver & A Broken Heart – Tom Waits
5.) Summertime – Ella Fitzgerald & Louis Armstrong
6.) Cavalry – Quicksilver Messengerger Service
7.) Easy Rider – Odetta
8.) Closing Time – Leonard Cohen
9.) Talent Is An Asset – Sparks
10.) One Hour Mama – Maria Muldaur
Bonus: Just A Bummin’ Around – Jerry Lee Lewis
No sleep for months. Maybe longer.
What a sickening image.
Forgotten Years – Midnight Oil
White Winter Hymnal – Fleet Foxes
Jack & Diane – John Mellencamp
Wild Is The Wind – Nina Simone
Get Lucky – Mark Knopfler
Time Is On My Side – The Rolling Stones
Heathens – Drive-By Truckers
Today – Jefferson Airplane
Dancing Choose – TV On The Radio
Till Your Well Runs Dry – Peter Tosh
And: I Thought I Was A Child – Jackson Browne
No Creed, nicklesuck or Limp thingy. But as with others embarrassments may arise.
Sea of Vapors – Nusratt Fateh Ali Khan
Friday Night, Saturday Morning – The Specials
Lost and Found - Sparks
Spanish Dancer – Steve Winwood
Solitary Man – Chris Isaak
Madness In Tha Hood (Free Ride) – Spearhead
Addicted To Love – Robert Palmer
You Are My Love – Jamiroquai
Ob-La-Do, Ob-La-Da – The Beatles
Prelude: Bach Cello Suite #1 In G Major – Yo-Yo Ma
Bonus Creed ear cleaning
Trouble In Mind – Nina Simone
I see Sparks has come up in anther list today. The Mael Bros return Ha!
I tried and tried and tried to randomly generate a Creed song, then it occurred to me that maybe iTunes DJ can’t randomly generate what is not on your hard drive. In fact, it appears I don’t have any Creed on any of my six hard drives.
Does that disqualify me from playing?
1. Gringo – Little Feat
2. Amsterdam – Peter Björn and John
3. It’s Gonna Take Some Time This Time – Millie Jackson
4. La Trampera – Colonizados
5. Apologija Laibach – Laibach
6. What’s My Name – Native Sol
7. Love Detective – Arab Strap
8. Gonna Find Me A Substitute – Ike & Tina Turner
9. You Don’t Need Glasses to See – Lord Invader & His Calypso Rhythm Boys
10. Pesenka Ni Pro Chto, Ili Chto Sluchilos’ V Afrike… – Chernyj Obelisk
BONUS THAI IN: Inside the Program – Neung Phak
Between this defense of Creed and the collected works of the Pantload, this does not speak well for naming your son Jonah.
I can’t fucking believe I actually read a TBogg music list and recognized some of the artists and songs.
The Modern Jazz Quartet? You go boy!
Oh, and in case any of you were wondering, the defending champions from the professional baseball league are back in the championship tournament. Just thought I’d let you know.
Creed Rocks! More Rush please.
The world is heading for mutiny, when all we want is nudity.
Creed: Farting and foul.
The Pogues – “A Pair of Brown Eyes”
The Kinks – “Autumn Almanac”
Band of Horses – “Detlef Schrempf”
Van Morrison – “Come Here My Love”
The Pretty Things – “Death of a Socialite”
The Rolling Stones – “She’s a Rainbow”
Paul Westerberg – “Kickin’ the Stall”
The Who – “So Sad About Us”
Roxy Music – “Love Is the Drug”
The White Stripes – “My Doorbell”
Billy Bragg – All you facists are bound to lose
Chi Lites – Oh Girl
Van Morrison – Golden Autumn Day
Rolling Stones – Working Class Hero
Guns n Roses – Welcome to the Jungle
Sundays – Sometimes
Rolling Stones (with Joshua Redmond) – Waitin’ on a Friend
Iggy Pop – Lust for Life
Dave Brubek – Take 5
Monkeys – Another Pleasant Valley Sunday
Side the Former
Modest Mouse – Untitled
Van Halen – Judgement Day (sometimes i regret grabbing all the MP3s from my friend’s portable HD)
Feist – My Moon My Man
Robyn Hitchcock – Insect Mother
Rolling Stones – Family
Side the Latter
Califone – Bottles & Bones
Cocteau Twins – Glass Candle Grenades
Sleater-Kinney – The Last Song
Tracy Bonham – Something Beautiful
Robyn Hitchcock – See Emily Play (live)
(Get Up I Feel Like Being A) Sex Machine, Pt. 1 – James Brown
Here to Go [alt] – Devo
Any One But You – Kristian Hoffman & Stew
Scarecrow – Kristian Hoffman & Rufus Wainwright
As Tears Go By – Marianne Faithfull
Talk on Talkers – Elder Charles Beck
What Are All These Bands So Angry About? – Sparks
Us – Regina Spektor
Wallace Cannonball – Chuck Aherns and The Cannonballs*
Daytrip To Heaven – Go Home Productions
Tainted Beyonce – Soundhog
We Don’t Get Along – The Go-Go’s
Angel – Fleetwood Mac**
And more Sparks! BTW, “Talent Is An Asset” & “Lost & Found” were the two sides of their 3rd US single. There are other coincidences & Sparks connections throughout this list – find them & marvel!
*He stands for law & order
A racist he is not
No matter what the critics say
He’ll make it to the top
**I have no explanation for this that would satisfy anybody.
Some great B-sides in the thread -
Lost & Found
You & Your Sister
Friday Night, Saturday Morning
It is the nature of rock critics to be contrarian for the sake of it, and no one has been more guilty of that than Christgau, but Creed? wow.
1. Big Star – The India Song (#1 Record)
2. Leonard Cohen – Tower of Song (I’m Your Man)
3. Blondie – Atomic (Eat to the Beat)
4. Led Zeppelin – I Can’t Quit You Baby (Led Zeppelin)
5. The Who – Armenia City In The Sky (The Who Sell Out)
6. Sublime – What I Got (Reprise) (Sublime)
7. Neil Young – The Old Laughing Lady (Unplugged)
8. The Who – I’ve Had Enough (Quadrophenia)
9. Pere Ubu – Laughing (The Modern Dance)
10. Pixies – Planet of Sound (Trompe le Monde)
11. Pete Townshend/Ronnie Lane – Nowhere to Run (Rough Mix)
Sad that this economy forces things like a creed reunion and a Backstreet Boys reunion. Why can’t good bands get back together?
Jesus Lizard, Mission of Burma, and Dinosaur Jr., all on tour now…
On topic, I love the fact that the bits of the Slate post excerpted here (no way I’m reading the original) basically make up a list of reasons why Creed sucks, and then a request to ignore all those things. So Creed isn’t bad, as long as you throw out your standards and critical faculties? No doubt that’s true, but hopefully you’d have something better to do with your money and your time.