I think both Israel and Turkey have gotten out of balance lately, and it is America’s job to help both get back to the center — urgently.

Thank you, little Tommy Friedman.

Dear Jennifer,

Thank you so much for bringing this to my attention. I was unaware that I must answer to you and swear my allegiance to your cause right or wrong. In the spirit of your using the utterances of President KooKoobananas George W., Great Defender of the Jew, I will add my own quotation.
Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice, I won’t get fooled again.

Sincerely,
Individual Hatmandu

P.S. Since apparently I am against you now, can I have all my tax dollars back?

I don’t see what’s so wrong about a militaristic state keeping undesireables in ghetto conditions. What the fuck could go wrong?
We’re watching a government crazier, angrier and more full of shit than Bushco. Whooda thunk?

Wait a minute. At least nine people were killed by paintball commandos? What kind of paint were they using?

And, along with Hatmandu: Stuff it Jennifer. “Every fiber of my being”?? It’s statements like that that cause people to really start hating Israel. God, the arrogance of these people. I don’t support murderers with “every fiber of my being”. I’m not that stupid. Keep it up and Israel will destroy itself and nobody will shed a tear.

There is a single question that every individual, group, and nation must answer. To borrow from the most pro-Israel president since Harry Truman: if you are not with Israel, you are against her. And if you do not oppose with every fiber of your being and every instrument at your disposal that which intends the Jewish state harm, you are enabling her destroyers.

So I guess that explains why the people on the USS Liberty had to die so Israel’s secret ramp-up to its invasion of the Golan Heights could stay secret until it was too late to stop it.

Or why it’s OK for the Israelis to shop around nuclear weapons to regimes like that of apartheid-era South Africa, even as they deny to the four winds that they themselves have nukes.

Or why the same people that routinely use “Hamas/Iran/Syria/etc. has sworn to destroy Israel” as a conversation-stopping gambit have no problem with Israel’s selling Iran $500 million in weapons every year during the 1980s.

Why do wingnut assholes use feminine personal pronouns to refer to nation states? I thought that shit went out with chastity belts. Oh wait…

Thanks folks for giving me the distinction I need in any discussions about these topics, namely separating “Israelis” from “Jews”.
One is a miniscule subset of the other, as a hemorrhoid is a small subset of some human bodies.

Saying I must defend Israel at all costs is pretty much equivalent to saying I must defend my friend’s hemorrhoid at all costs.

Seems to me, I’d be doing my friend a big favor by helping find a remedy to rid himself of the thing, even if it involved surgery.

Preparation H soothes rhoids but doesn’t get rid of the problem.
The rhoids only flare up again later.

Some of my best friends are Jews. (Yeah, yeah, I know that’s taken as an insult, but not by my best friends.) They are all whiners. I think it’s a schtick.

I hope I never encounter an Israeli. Don’t think I cold restrain myself.

These kind?

The FN 303 is a semi-automatic less-lethal launcher designed and manufactured by Fabrique Nationale de Herstal. The FN303′s projectiles have been specifically designed to break up on impact, eliminating risks of penetrating injuries. Typical operating scenarios include domestic violence intervention, marking violent suspects and building surveillance.

Notice “less-lethal” not “non-lethal”. That didn’t work out for Victory Snelgrove who killed was by one in Boston.

Victoria Snelgrove (October 29, 1982 – October 21, 2004) was a college student who was accidentally killed by Boston police about an hour and a half after the Boston Red Sox’s victory over the New York Yankees in the 2004 American League Championship Series. Snelgrove was a junior majoring in journalism at Emerson College, to which she had transferred from Fitchburg State College in the fall of 2003. She was 21 years old when she died. She was mortally wounded near Fenway Park when an FN 303 blunt trauma / pepper spray projectile hit her in her eye, causing her to bleed excessively.

That’s what’s the hardliners refuse to understand. They don’t care that the vast majority of young American Jews are turning away from the Israel-no-matter-what mentality; they think that as long as they keep the Orthodox kids and they breed like mindless Quiverfull robots, they’ll be fine.

Cog-ni-tive dis-son-ance: Support of a rogue regime based on past agression against some members of this group who now claim absolute moral authority to wreak vengeance upon another set of people who had nothing to do with the Holocaust. Also, too, Bibi Netanhyahu is a homicidal maniac.

Atzmon

http://tinyurl.com/ye75urv

Thank you. That’s the most insightful and informative information I’ve ever seen on the subject. It also gives me serious insight into the attitudes and behavior of my Jewish friends.

if you are not with Israel, you are against her. And if you do not oppose with every fiber of your being and every instrument at your disposal that which intends the Jewish state harm, you are enabling her destroyers.

Uh, in case you hadn’t noticed, Israel is a foreign country. It can ask for my support based upon mutual interests, but intrinsically I owe it jack shit. Lately its habit of picking fights and bullying its neighbors makes it more trouble than its worth. And if you’re going to hurl ultimatums and insults, stop leeching off my welfare money.

Israel has become what is was founded to prevent.

And, there are Israelis turning away from Israel, too. Had an Israeli friend who came over on a Research Grant at my Univ. Med School. He thought the Israeli government was fascist; his words, not mine. He hated them and what they were doing to the Palestinians; and he is not going back, even though his beloved mother is there.

A reverse Exodus would do them some good.

…And if you do not oppose with every fiber of your being and every instrument at your disposal that which intends the Jewish state harm, you are enabling her destroyers.

What a relief. I was afraid that not-opposing wasn’t enough. I’m working on a way to not-oppose doubly hard going forward.

Finally remembered that I was registered here (boy, am I a schmuck!). Any way, the long-term, ongoing deterioration of Israel has caused me to not just denounce my Judaism, but have a very critical tone towards the corrupt and decadent Israeli regime. At one time I wanted to emigrate and all the pie on the sky bullshit. Now I just hope for the day when the Palestinians can take back what is theirs and let the Israelis get what they have coming. Truly, Israel has become what was founded to counteract. I didn’t really know what was going on over there, until I did time with a Palestinian. We talked about life over there and what I got was a whole lot different than what I was told by the family and friends and rabbis. This was early 80′s, so it wasn’t so apparent on a world level, not like now. Shameful, criminal, depraved- that is the state of Israel. I shed no tears for Israel anymore.

…And if you do not oppose with every fiber of your being and every instrument at your disposal that which intends the Jewish state harm, you are enabling her destroyers.
So typical of the Jewish GIC (Guilt Industrial Complex) and so lame an argument. When one of my friends fucks up, I tell them! Israel, you are fucking up!

Lots of Israelis oppose their essentially fascist government and people like Jennifer Rubin too. Amos Oz for example has an op-ed in the NY Times today about it.

Who would have thought anything could go wrong with Bibi Netanyahu in charge?

Bring it on! We got blockades, expanded settlements and fuck Obama. These guys need a serious sit down with the American government, except they control us instead of the other way around.

Israel is like the teen who borrows your car and wrecks it for the 5th while driving drunk, after promising yet again, just like he did the first 4 times, that he won’t drink and drive, sending your auto insurance rates through the roof. At some point, you gotta take the keys away from the kid until he proves he’s straightened out. You can’t just keep taking his word for it.

OT, but on the topic of “Richard Cohen: Ewok, Harvey, or demented, chinless beaver?” the question has been definitively settled over at my joint, complete with the photographic evidence.

I’m finding that out in this post. It’s refreshing to say the least.
I guess I should have known that the sane people on earth get no coverage.

I know some good Baptists. I was helping a neighbor remove two big trees that were blown over on his house by tornadoes. The whole area was devastated, people dead, home vanished. A group of men showed up where I was working and broke out their saws and went to work on the trees with me. We spent most of the day working together before I found out they were a group of Baptist men from another state who travel around the country to disaster sites and help clean up. I don’t think they have a formal name for the group. I know they will never be mentioned by the media.

And then there’s Fred Phelps.

As for Israelis, Thrasyboulos @ 17 has a link that gave me a lot of insight. It’s worth the read.

Israel needs a shrink.

And I say that with the utmost respect.

And no, there is no particular pain felt for the dead on the boat; the video of those peace-seeking peace activists beating on the paintball commandos with metal bars pretty much canceled out whatever feelings of sympathy Israelis might have otherwise felt.

Fuck yeah, Jonah! Those people on that boat made bitches out of your heroes in the Israeli Defense Forces! I guess the Israelis ain’t shit when they can’t bomb innocent men, women, and kids from 20,000 feet. Suck on it, fatboy! Hey, I’ve got an idea, Jonah – why don’t you go and enlist. Let ‘em see how a real, hardcore, badass keyboard Kommando does it. Until you are ready to do precisely that, mama’s boy, just shut the fuck up. By the way, as for “whatever feelings of sympathy Israelis might have felt” who are you trying to kid? You think we’re all as stupid as your loyal asskissers at Fox News and NRO? Everybody knows the “feelings of sympathy the Israelis might have had” amounts to exactly ZERO! Why do you think the flotilla was necessary in the first place you stupid prick?

And if you do not oppose with every fiber of your being and every instrument at your disposal that which intends the Jewish state harm, you are enabling her destroyers.

Fuck that noise! As an American, I don’t owe Israel a goddamn thing. If anything, Israel owes every American big time for the billions of dollars we send to them every fucking year since the State of Israel was created. Unlike you, Jennifer, AIPAC doesn’t cut me a paycheck, so I’ll call it like I see it, thank you very much.

Jeff ‘n’ Jennifer need a reality check. The vast majority of people in this country don’t give a ratzass about Israel. And Israel needs US support more than we need theirs. Let’s see some major groveling action–or Homeland Defense just may be forced to declare all those donation made to Israel social agencies by the hundreds of JCCs across the country as “Aid to Terrorist Groups.”