Since Megan McArdle’s male bloggers are leaving most of the work to the women, let’s look at Ms. Courtney Knapp’s latest contribution to The Atlantic. Knapp is a “tipster” for Reason and a friend of McArdle, which tells us that she must, at the very least, have libertarian leanings. But being a libertarian in reality is not nearly as easy as being a libertarian in theory.
In the real world, Libertarians find themselves supporting atrocities such as state-supported racism, organ harvesting, and Jonah Goldberg in the name of the sacred Free Market. The Libertarian party platform declares:
Since governments, when instituted, must not violate individual rights, we oppose all interference by government in the areas of voluntary and contractual relations among individuals. People should not be forced to sacrifice their lives and property for the benefit of others. They should be left free by government to deal with one another as free traders; and the resultant economic system, the only one compatible with the protection of individual rights, is the free market.
Which is why we find it very strange that Knapp wants to eliminate tipping, the free trade of money for service. Knapp wants to give up the choice of what to pay her server in favor of the restaurant dictating the price for service.
Though tipping may help make bars, restaurants, and coffee shops more interesting, there is little evidence that tips are related to objective measurements of quality service. I would like to see America move toward a standard service fee at restaurants and bars, abolishing the tip.
Tipping seems to be the bete noir of libertarians. Psychologist Dr. Helen Smith, wife of Instapundit Glenn Reynolds, examined the issue in detail shortly before Barack Obama was elected president.
[T]he point I wanted to make in this post was that “yes, tipping can be important,” but it should not necesarily be considered standard. I tip for a job well done and if I am treated poorly, I see no reason to pay for the privilege.
That seems fair. If someone does a good job, you should pay them a little extra. If someone does a poor job, you should make them work for free. I’m sure Dr. Helen works for free when her clients don’t recover from their psychological problems.
I have also noticed that hairdressers and spa services charge more than psychologists get for an hour of psychotherapy from Medicare, our share? 67.00 per 60-75 minutes.
Once again, the Free Market is being strangled by the government. It has monopolized the court system, preventing people from hiring judges, police, and psychologists only when they need them, at the price they want to pay or be paid. Dr. Helen is forced to work for the government for their paltry wage instead of finding all her clients, charging them whatever she wants to, and growing rich through her hard work.
I went to my hairdresser yesterday, and was there an hour and a half–my total bill: $110.00. You could say that the poor hairdresser has to pay for being in the spa, but try the overhead of a professional office, it’s probably more.
I’m confused. If Dr. Helen thinks her hairdresser charges too much, why doesn’t she refuse to go there? How is the Free Market to work if people pay too much for services?
Anyway, I totally disagree that if you are on a budget that you should have to give up riding in a taxi, going to get a haircut at a spa, or a massage if you are stressed just because you can’t leave a whopping tip.
And who could argue with that logic? Why should a woman go to a cheaper hair salon (We know one that charges $13 on Wednesdays!), take a bus, or skip her massage when she can just stiff the staff instead? How is a woman to indulge herself if others insist she pay for her indulgences?
If doctors and professionals can deal with people who balk at having to pay a five dollar co-pay for their care, then massage therapists and hairdressers etc. can tolerate not getting the whopping tip they think they deserve each and every time.
The nerve of those people, deciding that they don’t have to pay for services!
Or perhaps the real lesson here is that many of those who snootily tell others that they owe whopping tips for service whether it is good or not, underneath it all think that luxury services are more important to pay for than healthcare.
How dare they? What kind of person demands that clients who use her services pay for her work even when the clients don’t like the fees?
As we can see, tipping is a very troublesome subject, and Ms. Knapp promises us that she will follow up her proposition with “the complicated etiquette” of tipping. We can’t wait to read her work–as long as she doesn’t charge for it. We, too, believe in paying someone what they are worth.



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Cheapasstarians.
This libertarian tipping issue is the perfect example of that useless ideology. They spent inordinate amounts of time discussing a non-issue, cannot wrap their heads around it, and take a side that contradicts their belief system. What it really comes down to is this: they get pissed when their fois gras has too much parsley as a garnish, so they want everyone to suffer at the hands of their petty righteousness.
If they had any guts they would tell the server that they are not tipping before their main course comes out (hello urine demiglazed sea bass), but we all know that libertarian courage is limited to a from-a-distance soft, yet consistent, whine.
The free market works on a very simple principle – the buyer and seller agree on a price. The libertarian principle seems to be, “the other person should agree to the price I want.”
The fundamental flaw in Libertarian reasoning is that it attracts inherently selfish people (and people who are actually proud of their selfishness and see it as a Randian virtue), while espousing an economic philosophy that, my definition, requires two parties to come to a compromise through negotiation.
Their take is nearly always, “The best system is one where two parties agree to a mutually beneficial price, and by that I mean, the other person should be forced to accept my cheapskate offer and anything else is totally unfair to ME.”
In short, they all reason like two year olds. They want everything their way. “Going Galt” is the Libertarian version of holding one’s breathe, having a tantrum, or running away with the ball when the other kids don’t want to play with you. And they actually think they are RIGHT. The hairdressers, waiters, and those actually working to provide goods and services are all MOOCHERS (well, the true definition is “everyone but them and their friends regardless of what anyone actually does for a living”).
I dunno, it seems like there’s a pretty good argument to eliminate tipping from a labor standpoint–why is it that servers are expected to work for sub-minimum wage, the rest of their pay being contingent on a number of factors, only one of which is their performance that given night? We don’t expect nurses or flight attendants to live off of tips, what is particularly special about servers? I understand that the restaurant business is pretty volatile, and owners would reasonably look to cut as much overhead as possible, but institutionalised tipping is basically false advertisement; the price listed on the menu is not what you are expected to pay, it is at least 15%-20% under what the true cost of your meal is.
The alternative isn’t particularly attractive; it makes running a restaurant more risky, which means there would probably be less of them, but I’m not sure you can argue that we’re suffering from a lack of places to eat out–in fact it would probably be beneficial if we returned to our kitchens and made food less laden with fat and salt.
there is little evidence that tips are related to objective measurements of quality service
So what? Suddenly this “libertarian” wants to rob me of my right and ability to exercise my subjective assessment of my restaurant service? She wants to interpose the tyrannical hand of “objective measurements” (of something as hard to quantify as “quality of service”) between me and the server?
This nitwit doesn’t know what she believes. Tipping should be the libertarian cause par excellence.
We have a saying amongst my friends, some of whom are…uh…frugal, shall we say: “If you can’t afford to tip, you can’t afford to eat out.”
Ever since hearing from libertarians, I have amended that slightly to: “If you don’t want to tip, you’re just an asshole who should stay at home and eat dinner from a drive-thru bag.”
Logical inconsistencies and overarching selfishness aside, I’ve just never met a Libertarian who didn’t make my knuckles itch.
Let’s call a spade a spade, shall we? They’re bitching about tipping because, basically, they’re cheap motherfuckers. That’s it – nothing else. There’s no big ideological issue here; Libertarians are just cheap cocksuckers (no disrespect to people who suck cock intended) – period. By the way, it’s obvious none of these champions of the free market ever busted their asses waiting tables. Waitstaff get paid below minimum wage because the evil, anti-free market government tells restaurant owners (most of whom are NOT mom and pop operations) that it is ok to do so. The rest of their salaries are comprised of tips (which are taxed, naturally), which means if you don’t tip, that waitress or waiter’s kids don’t eat that night, or go to the doctor if they’re sick. So if I’m a waiter/waitress and I know you’re a cheap fuck, then I should be able to exercise MY free market right not to serve you. See? This free market stuff works both ways.
No tipping, just a straight service charge to cover wait-staff?
How very….European.
First of all, Libertarians have absolutely no comprehension about how markets actually work. Markets emerge when societies get large enough that essential economic transactions routinely occur between strangers with no significant social ties. Markets are based on trust and without it, they collapse. Because the parties are not generally members of the same face-to-face community, they can not rely on social pressure to prevent cheating. They must therefor rely on formal regulation to prevent cheating, including standardized weights and measures, standardized currencies, tort and contract law, etc. These may be imposed by trade/market organization or by the government, but strong regulation is at the heart of any functioning market system.
Secondly, as MoeLarryAndJesus observed, Libertarians are also mostly stingy bastards who do not like to share or to pay full price for anything.
Apparently libertarians are so afraid of being mistaken for hippies they do nothing but get haircuts.
Except for, you know, the living wage and benefits.
Why should waitstaff have all the fun? I’d love to see tipping extended into other service sectors such as IT.
“Why if it isn’t Megan Shittytips McArdle. You want your laptop configured by when? Bwahaha.”
I fully expect my self-described Libertarian acquaintances to stiff on tips. They do not believe in collective responsibility – this translates to dinner parties as well as restaurant staff. If they don’t get what they want, they take it out on the person in front of them. They’re problem customers.
They are stingy bastards because they are lacking any form of empathy. Anybody attracted to this so-called philosophy is inherently a person who really cannot “feel others’ pain” or happiness, for that matter…they really don’t know what empathetic people are talking about and it pisses them off. Taken to the extreme, they are sociopaths who can be dangerous.
Ayn Rand went on an extended anti-tipping rant in one of her drawn out melodramas.
I don’t remember which one & will not lift a finger to find out.
Because we all know that neither the taxi driver, nor the spa attendant, nor even the masseuse is going to invent Rearden Metal anyway so fuck ‘em.
Are these people incapable of using a phone book to locate the nearest Supercuts? Or is that one of the things they refuse to do now that they’ve gone Galt?
Oh, I get it, what they’re really saying is “I deserve superior luxury service at rock-bottom prices and if that means the service worker starves to death, well, so be it.” Interesting how libertarians are always convinced that the free market will make everything cheaper and more wonderful. Sort of like how people who claim to remember past lives were always Cleopatra or Napoleon and never serfs or slaves.
I think it’s more than just being cheap. I think they genuinely believe themselves to be superior to the “peons” that work at those jobs and therefore *deserve* to be served by them without having to pay for it. And where in the hell is that woman getting her hair cut for $110? Heaven forbid she downgrade to a Super Cuts or something to pay 1/5 that much. She doesn’t think she should have to give up luxuries like fancy salons and massages just because other people have the nerve to want to do things such as eat and make rent. What a stupid, self-absorbed bint.
This would be fine if libertarians advocated living wages for servers. But they don’t.
After all, as McArdle tells everyone, wealthy people deserve high pay because
their parentsthey paid $100,000 for a college education, which the poor were too lazy to do.sources?
It seems like some of you guys are taking some large leaps to declare the whole of libertarians hypocrites over a relatively trivial issue. As I outlined before, out of all professions, servers are singled out to receive sub-minimum wage, and we contribute to that cycle by patting ourselves on the back for a particularly large tip every now-and-again.
ayfkm ?? the clowns serve up a fat one straight in to this old waitress’s wheelhouse ?!?! where the hell do ya want me to start ?:D
we recognize these ass clinchers immediately. let me give you some field marks – they usually come in alone. and everything is about them. no, it can’t be a simple broken straw, you gave them a broken straw. and I wouldn’t even know where to start to describe the air of entitlement that arrives 10 minutes before they do – they literally read the menu’s verbatim, hoping to find something they are supposed to have we dumbass waitstaff have denied them.
I find Dr. Mrs. Ole Perfesser’s consistent reference to “whopping tips” psychologically revealing. “Whopping” sounds a lot like “whupping,” which is a regionalism for “whipping,” indicating that DMOP experiences the act of rewarding another for their personal service as a form of punishment. This masochistic illusion in the presence of a simple financial transaction portends a more pervasive phobia of the consequences of giving in return for receiving, most likely rooted in childhood experiences of emotional deprivation, for example, receiving a scornful response to an expression of love.
Or she’s a jerk who thinks any tip is too big.
we contribute to that cycle by patting ourselves on the back for a particularly large tip every now-and-again
I have an idea–why don’t we just refuse to tip? That’ll teach the food and beverage industry’s lobbyists a lesson.
Uh, no. Why don’t you just agree that the American system of compensating restaurant and bar servers is idiotic compared to how it’s done in other countries?
It is, but that’s not the point I was making. Saying that we contribute to the cycle of poor pay for powerless workers by leaving big tips is exaggerating personal responsibility for the situation.
I’m all with Ms. McCurdle’s buddies here… Let’s just do away with tipping and service charges entirely. Of course, in order to do that and still prevent people from starving to death, which some of us care about, we’ll have to pay service staff (including busboys and dishwashers) a living wage, right? So I wonder how the McCurdle ilk will feel about paying $175 for the entree that currently costs $35?
I used to subscribe to The Atlantic, then they inflicted The Pasty Little Putz and Ms. McCurdle on me. Whenever they e-mail or snail mail me begging me to resubscribe I suggest that when they get rid of that ilk I might possibly reconsider.
personal responsibility is only for the powerless anyway
Minimum wage for tipping occupations is $2.13 per hour if I read this (http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm#foot1) correctly. So up to minimum wage would be $5 per hour and maybe $10 per hour to living wage. If an average dining out experience lasts an hour, the total meal cost would increase by at most $10, depending on the number of tables the server is responsible for. This, for one table per server, would be the same as a 15% tip for an ~$60 meal. So unless you don’t tip much at all, the cost to the customer of paying servers living wage would not be very much different than what is paid now with tips. Of course then we can’t show our disapproval of the little people and their paying taxes, but nothing is perfect
There’s only one thing that would get servers a reasonable wage without tipping : Unionization.
Opposition to the right to organize is what puts the G in Glibertarian.
Because doG forbid that we allow the totally free market solution of allowing workers to voluntarily organize.
$110 for a haircut? So Mrs. Instaputz is stupid on top of being a tight-ass with the penny if it’s not spent on her? Know how much I pay to get my haircut? Nada. I cut it my own damn self. Granted, I have hair down to my ass and only cut the ends every six months or so, but still. The last time I got my hair cut by a professional, it cost a grand total of thirty bucks (with tip).
Look, I wouldn’t mind having a standard rate whatever as long as ALL the line staff gets a decent living wage, but that ain’t happening right now. So, for the time being, not tipping is just being a dick.
Anyway, I totally disagree that if you are on a budget that you should have to give up riding in a taxi, going to get a haircut at a spa, or a massage if you are stressed just because you can’t leave a whopping tip.
I twigged to this quote too. I pay what a lot of people would probably consider a lot for a haircut, because I’m weird about my Difficult Hair and would rather go to the DENTIST than a hairdresser I don’t trust, but when I was unemployed, you know what I did? I went to the cheap place and just put up with the shitty haircuts I got, because yes, stupid privileged bitches, being on a budget DOES mean you have to give up riding a taxi or getting a haircut at a “spa” or whatever. Sometimes it means begging your long-suffering husband to trim the back of your neck with his clippers. Have none of these stupid people ever missed a meal?
I’m a fair tipper, 20 percent unless somebody was really rude or fucked something up multiple times and didn’t care, but Mr. A is extravagant. I make fun of him about it sometimes, but really, it’s about not screwing over people who are at your mercy for their livelihoods. Anybody who has to lord their power as a Customer over the waitress or the haircut guy or the crew that mows the lawn has issues a therapist would be happy to help them out with, without requiring a fucking tip.
A.
Didn’t they have this discussion in Reservoir Dogs?
So, to sum up: Libertarians are pricks. Yes, I know that’s a redundant statement.
The words “being on a budget” likely mean far different things to them than they do to us. I can remember when “being on a budget” meant living in my Volkswagen and eating uncooked rice.
I worked for tips – made good money because I hustled.
Here are a few thoughts:
First, if you eliminate tipping, service will decline. The best service workers have a lot of incentive to provide the best, fastest, most courteous possible service. Standardized pay would mean a pay cut for a large majority of service workers. The minimum wage, however, should be the base and provided by the employer. In places where that is the case, restaurants manage to survive somehow.
Second, non-tippers are generally just cheap bastards, and there is no cure for that. My wife and I went to a restaurant with my (conservative religious fanatic) brother and his wife. It was Friday night, and the place was packed. When I saw that, I suggested we go elsewhere, but he waved it off. We had to wait a bit, but were seated fairly quickly, our drink orders were taken, and fairly shortly a waitress appeared for our food/appetizer order.
His was complicated, (add this, leave that off), but the waitress got it all down and then we waited. The appetizers came, and he wanted more of this and that before our meal even arrived, and more service from the waitress during the meal. Everything took longer than he thought it should, but it arrived hot and fresh – obviously the kitchen was backed up – but our food hadn’t been sitting under a lamp while the inordinately busy waitress chatted with friends. We got exactly what we ordered, and frankly, considering the crowd, I was surprised by the speed.
When we left, I was appalled to hear him ask for a manager – so he could complain about the service! That, BTW, is something he has done the last three times we have eaten out together.
Soon as he was finished, I told the manager that I was at the same table, and I thought the service was excellent, considering. Then I took a minute to find the waitress and slip her a few bucks – because he stiffed her. Bro was pissed; Fuck him and his christer ass.
Sorry, though, I’m just not gonna tip the guy/gal who works the register.
I lived in New Zealand for a couple of years, where tipping is not customary and I have to agree that the service was fine. Conversations with the wait staff felt more genuine without the tip issue and you didn’t get into the problems you often have here when you go out with a group and split the bill and some people leave out the tip.
Take the higher road, you cheapskate propertarians; read the inspirational story of “The Boy and the Sundae” and be ashamed:
http://www.becomingminimalist.com/2010/03/30/the-boy-and-the-sundae/
Of course she’s a Randian, she can afford to be! Check out her history at the public teat.
http://exiledonline.com/megan-mcardles-hypocrisy-exposed-portrait-of-a-libertarian-as-a-taxpayer-subsidized-brat/
But you see it’s OK for them! Honesty and non-hypocrisy are for the preterite, not the Elect.
For the life of me I can’t think of a place where $10 is a “living” wage. It may be enough to keep the wolf from the door, but not by much. It would be a scrounge even here in The Big Cheapy…
…and who, by the way, deserve a tip if they do it well.
You’re oversimplifying! Libertarianism and conservatism are a complex set of interlocking philosophies which, properly applied, benefit everybody in a myriad of ways: morally, ethically, spiritually, physically and ineffably. And always in the way that ensures that the person explaining it must pay less and that people who have less will get less. Every single time. It’s amazing how close the correlation between absolute moral correctness and economy just happens to work out. It’s like there was an invisible hand at work.
None taken. But don’t you owe an apology to those who fuck their mothers?
OK, that’s just gross.