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By popular request, a re-run from last November:
Barack Obama is walking down the street when he looks in a neighbors garage and sees an old rusty push mower. Knocking on the door, he is surprised to see that it’s John Boehner’s house.
“Hey John. I couldn’t help but notice that fine lawnmower in your garage. How much do you want for it?”
“Well I wasn’t planning on selling it, but I guess I’d let it go for $20.”
Obama thinks about it for a moment. “Okay I’ll give you $25.”
“But I said I’d sell it to you for $20.”
Obama looks away, calculating in his head. “Okay. You got me. $30.”
“But….but…”
Obama smiles. “You drive a hard bargain, John. But $35 is as high as I’m going to go.”
Boehner, now even more confused, “Seriously. I wasn’t gong to sell it, but $20 is more than fair for it. It’s rusty and the blades need sharpening and one of the wheels is wobbly and falls off every once in awhile.”
Seeing an opening, Obama replies. “Fine. Let’s compromise. $38.”
Shrugging his shoulders, Boehner says “Okay. Fine. Whatever. $38. Take her away” and Obama hands Boehner two crisp twenty dollar bills and starts pushing the creaking mower down the street.
Looking up from the two twenties in his hand, Boehner calls out, “Wait. I owe you two dollars.”
A smiling Obama looks over his shoulder and waves. “That’s alright. You can keep the change.”
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Obama’s pretty fucking accommodating for an angry, Muslo-Fascist-Dictator who shoves shit down defenseless Republitard throats.
And weren’t we promised some fucking death panels and FEMA camps?!?
Feh. So, we elected Bill Clinton again. It’s about as good as we were ever gonna get, anyway.
The guy just doesn’t want to get angry. He’s stuck being Bruce Banner because they won’t like him when he’s angry…
Nah, I got nothing.
It’s about as good as we were ever gonna get, anyway.
Where have you gone,
Lyndon Baines,
our nation turns its empty pockets
to you, woo woo woo…
A smiling Obama looks over his shoulder and waves. “That’s alright.
You can keep the change” Trickle that down to my daughters after I send them over to mow your lawn.”Fixored for more hopey, changey goodness.
but… but… but… he managed to get them to agree to maybe possibly raising taxes in the future.
which was going to happen anyway in 2012.
and all it’s gonna cost him is the individual mandate for health care. Which should kill his health care law.
Let’s talk about the future, now we’ve put away the past
Just like this naive rube of a Preznit negotiated away any advances for the LGBT community too also1!1
Well T-, looks you answered any questions I’ve been having:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_-VmQ58XxQ
Best of luck to you.
Never gets old. Unlike Obama’s pathological accommodating.
Yeah, it’s still as stupid today as it was in November, but hey, Jane Hamsher, a grifting gadfly says he’s bad! I mean, no one does inside information on White House negotiations like firebaggers, so it must be true, everything they say!
Primary him! Burn the witch! He’s no better than Bush! What does Grover Norquist have to say?
Hilarious.
At least he hasn’t given up appealing to the soft bigotry of our low expectations of him. So he’s got that going for him…
He’s a smart guy, but I wouldn’t let him haggle for me at a swap meet.
You left out the part where Boehner’s wife keeps threatening to blow up the garage if Boehner agrees to any price,
You could be right, TBogg. Then again . . .
BO: “How much for the lawnmower, John?”
JB.: “$20.”
BO: “I’m looking more at $30.”
JB: “That’s too much.”
BO: “If you’re going to be hard-nosed about it, $35 is my last offer.”
JB hands over lawnmower, whereupon BO holds out his hand and says: “Pay up, John.”
JB: “What the &*%?”
BO: “You just agreed to pay me $35 to take this piece of crap off your hands.”
Personally, I kinda like my version better but, then again, I’m so pitiful at humor I probably should’a been a Republican.
Wow! So there’s a debt ceiling deal, it’s all done, details complete, and under the bus we were thrown? Humph…. that’s news to me.
I’ll wait until he’s done “negotiating” with the sociopaths, IOW when we really know what the deal is. Until then, it’s all just speculation.
I’m not too hopeful for our side, but I’m not yet ruling out “Obama’s eleventy-dementional chess” thing.
He really is negotiating wih the stupidest motherfuckers on the planet. That’s heavy brain-trauma, nuked DNA, Palin-spawn-level stupid.
Boehner can always claim to be shitfaced drunk. McConnell, Ryan, Cantor and the rest, got no excuse but broken brains.
So… you’re still deluding yourself that Obama actually represents “our side” here? See, that’s the problem right there: it’s not that he’s failing to get what he wants, it’s that he doesn’t seem to want what we’d like him to want.
It should have been a hint when he hired Geithner and the rest of the ex cons from Goldman Sachs to run the economy for him; the fact that he pretty much let the insurance industry and big pharma write his health care reform just made it clearer still. And right about now is when we realize once and for all that Obama is not so much screwing up the negotiations to buy John Boehner’s lawn mower — it’s more as if the two of them are plotting how to steal the mower from the little old lady across the street while blaming it on the kid with the skateboard down the road…
Tell you what, pal. Let’s keep making calls and wrtiting letters. And let’s see what happens.
If President Obama fails spectacularly, Teabag him, Firebag him, ’til your heart’s content.
I admit that I’m getting mighty nervous here, but Obama’s the best we got in this fucked up system of ours, but is the ONLY system we’ve got. Thais ain’t Harry Potter. Obama does not have a magic wand.
As great as I think Nancy Pelosi is, her one vote on any issue is cancelled out by a twat like Heath Shuler. That’s our “side.” My Democratic Senator (Landreiu) blows oil company execs. That’s our “side.” Obama’s playing the numbers game and trying to get whatever he can get.
Obama asked for a clean debt ceiling vote a long time ago. It was shot down. What do you think is within his powers to do if one-half of the entire Legislative Branch is batshit insane and half his team is hedging their bets?
Uh-oh. Does this mean O has lost TBogg?
The Art Negotiation – The Value of Preemptive Concession
or How I Rolled Backed The New Deal to Bring Back the Soul of Broder
2013 Best Seller by B. H. Obama.
I recall this from last November, when everyone got impatient because Obama hadn’t yet got what, as it turned out, he did get in December, an extension of unemployment benefits and the repeal of DADT. It ain’t over till it’s over … just sayin’ …
Sooo … JB now isn’t returning BO’s phone calls. Wonder if he’ll show up for the 11 a.m. meeting tomorrow?
I don’t care who you are or how pissed you are, when the President of the United States calls, you PICK UP.
Dear T,
Go fuck yourself.
Sincerely,
Barack Obama
P.S.–Tell Jane to tell Grover that he can fuck himself, too.
Who’s T?
Shall Jane tell Dean Baker and Chris Bowers to tell Grover, too? Because Dean Baker and Chris Bowers co-signed that letter, too.
Or are you just angry at Jane for having called every turn since February of 2009?
This was in February 2009, mind you.
The stupid sonofabitch would probably offer to mow Boners lawn too.
Kick some ass, PW.
Black guy. Use to be on the A Team. That’s “Mr T” to you…
Oh. I’m outa my league over here.
HOW IZ FENWAY?????????????????
Remember, Obama didn’t buy the mower with his own money. He paid for it with money he took from you and me.
Then, he delivered it to the rich guy down the street who promised to give him five-hundred dollars as soon as he’s out of office.
About a pound lighter.
Also, not very comfortable. My wife is home with him and just told me over the phone that he’s doing really soft whines. I pointed out that that is because he JUST HAD HIS NUTS CUT OFF.
Women… they just don’t understand men.
So they’re supposedly the stupid ones, but they’re getting everything they want and Obama is chasing after them. Walking out is one the basic negotiating tactics and you do not respond by chasing after the one who walked out.
“My wife is home with him and just told me over the phone that he’s doing really soft whines. I pointed out that that is because he JUST HAD HIS NUTS CUT OFF.”
That could describe many so-called “liberal” groups who are in the veal pen except they can’t even mutter a soft whine.
Arthur sez -
“Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohoooooooooooooooooooooooooo”
Best laugh I’ve had all day. Thanks!
Nuts are important.
Good thing you beefed up the research this time around.
Well he certainly hasn’t improved his game.
All I can say is thank God the Tea Party was around to save us from the pillar of bi-partisanship (aka gutting The New Deal and Great Society)
x2
TBogg, you’re a baaad man.
:o) :o) :o)
And, I just read where Obama tried to reach Boehner 4 times today, and his calls were spurned.
Folks, I think we need to start dealing with the fact that the GOP has neutered Barack Obama like taking a little poodle to a vet clinic.
Which leaves us with this question:
Why in hell should we want to present this political coward to the american people as our standard bearer in 2012? It’s a prescription for another, and worse, disaster than the mid-terms.
Wait until you are sold out before you start yer whining.
President Obama has not yet been “tutored.”
christ ….firedogs
obama is a midlevel department manager like all the rest … jeezus …
…his bosses biggest problem after the election was fragmenting and dispersing all the focused energy of you idiots who elected him ….
…hes not running anything anymore than the manager of the shoe dept
at your local sears has anything to say about company policy ….
only from that perspective does any of this nonsense make sense ….
….”the public option is only a sliver ……..
“…that is because he just had his nuts cut off…”
Well, Obama should have known from the day he took office that that’s what the repub…OH! You’re talking about your dog.
Because we’re outa bullets?
“I don’t care who you are or how pissed you are; when the president of the United States calls, you pick up.”
Doesn’t apply if you’re Humphrey Bogart/Captain Queeg, sole owner of the preznint’s political balls, and playing clickety-clack with them in front of God and everydamnbody. :o)
That’s John Boehner saying:
“Be nice, Mr. President, and, in 2013, I might make a small contribution to your presidential library in downtown Skokie.”
What we appear to be out of is honest, courageous, democrats.
When danger reared its ugly head brave Sir Obama bravely turned over the New Deal and fled
…CORRECTION …42
…dispersing all the focused energy of you idiots who elected him ….
Correction ….. us idiots who elected him …
My gumbo is now cooking. Beohner is bye-bye soon. Norquist is a feckin memory.
If I fuck up my rice, I will blame Obama and call Hillary. Or Nader. Or Fucking Jane and ask, ‘what you gonna do now?” Call in the Marine Corps?
Mea culpa.
Obama’s false equivalency:
“If I’m saying to future recipients of Social Security or Medicare that you’re going to have to make some adjustments, it’s important that we’re also willing to make some adjustments when it comes to corporate jet owners, or oil and gas producers, or people who are making millions or billions of dollars.”
http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2011/07/22/138625733/obama-boehner-breakdown-leaves-many-questions-few-clear-answers
So Obama goes and attacks his own stimulus on corporate jet owners as if that’s some kind of justification for making recipients of Social Security and Medicare “make some adjustments” (hurry up and die quickly?).
It’s quite obvious that you don’t understand a “balanced” approach.
Hilarious and all too true. How did I miss that the first time around?
I have been visiting here a lot in the last couple of years but this will be the last time. You people are worst whiners I have ever listened to. You all seem to think you should get everything you want from this President at the very minute you want it. I am on social security and medicare and am concerned, but I also realize I can’t have every damn thing I want.
I’m curious as to just who you think could get better results from that bunch of diaper fillers in the House. Put up some names just for fun. Split the party like the Republicans have done to their party. That will accomplish a lot. All your bellyaching didn’t help any in the 2010 elections and it will be worse if you decide to play spoiled brats and primary the President.
Have a good time bitching.
“Have a good time bitching…”
Thanks wits’. We will. :o)
After the world-class hosing that we’re getting from your boy, we at least deserve that.
Don’t let the door hit you where the good lord split you, and don’t hurt your hands clapping louder. See you in 2012. :o)
Once you understand that Barack Obama’s definition of a “balanced approach” is 3:1, then you can understand how easily the GOP managed to get him in the vise he’s in now.
How many days has it been since you turned down McConnell’s clean bill, Mr President?
More than 2500 of us visited our Congresscritters’ offices this week to ‘bitch’ about our Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, as you call it.
Were you among us?
“…call in the Marine Corps?”
No. The Marines are busy making Afghanistan safe for the Fortune 500. It may take a while.
Of course, some of them are still busy polishing the “Mission Accomplished” turd-baton in Iraq, which Obama so willingly took, in the handoff from george bush.
…. is that you rham …
As is being reported tonight “Speaking to a half-filled room of reporters, the president laid out just how dramatic the cuts to the social safety would have been in the deal he was trying to give Republicans. He said that he couldn’t believe Boehner walked away from the proposal he was offering: $3.5 trillion in spending cuts over 10 years, smaller tax increases than those laid out in a bipartisan Senate plan and cuts to entitlement programs, something Democrats have pushed hard against. It also didn’t include revenues that Obama has insisted be in a final package, namely via closing tax loopholes and ending subsidies for the oil and gas industry. “In other words, this was an extraordinarily fair deal,” Obama told reporters.”
So the aspirational revenue increase of the a later vote in 2012 to retain the Bush tax cuts but not include tax cuts for those over $250,000 (called a $800 billion increase when we get that increase by just letting the law expire), would be a vote the GOP might not stop, and was to be augmented with a real tax increase of $400 billion over 10 years in return for shredding Social Security and Medicare – and the GOP said no.
What happen to the trillion dollar tax increase Obama talked about in a “balanced” approach to get to $4 trillion in cuts?
3 to 1 but with the 1 being imaginary
He tried for a real 400 billion (a 10 to 1) but the GOP picked up their ball and went home. The Dems were not allowed on the field by Obama.
He didn’t say WHEN it would happen.
Oh no, what has America’s Hope and Change president given Republicans now? More tax breaks for the richest people? All social security payments? A wood chipper to process the burdensome poor?
I’m afraid to look.
Remember, Obama didn’t buy the mower with his own money. He paid for it with money he took from you and me.
Yeah, and Jane is sitting on the side snickering with Arianna about the money rubes like you tossed her way because she was going to help elect “more and better Democrats.”
How’d that work out? Oh, that’s right, it didn’t. But you keep sending Hamsher cash and deluding yourself into thinking she’s on your side.
I bet you loved “The Undefeated”
Primary the imposter!
If the best we got is someone who managed to ignore the majority who wanted a public option and threw women under the bus on health care then I’m not very hopeful that seniors aren’t next and that he isn’t going to ignore the majority again when they tell him hands of Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.
This looks and feels awfully familiar.
Only the sex scenes.
I don’t know Jane personally but I think what really smarts is that people like Obama are mad because Jane is visible in the media and putting up a fight on Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.
She’s not rolling over on command and she ain’t buying the idea of waiting until some grand compromise is rolled out to sit on the sidelines.
I may not be 100% in agreement with Jane on everything but I definitely say she’s acting in better faith with those that are supporting her then Obama is to the small donation rubes supporting him.
What you call “whining” I call democracy(and considering I served for over a decade I think I’m more than entitled to participate in it thankyouverymuch.)
Don’t let the door hit you where the good Lord split you.
I’m all for primarying Obama. But why are you being such a prick to Jane?
And all it cost him was the extension of the Bush tax giveaways (which he’s now talking about extending again), plus some cuts in the dividend and estate taxes that the Rs hadn’t even asked for. Such a wonderful deal he got.
Which, btw, also included the Repubs scuttling the previously-agreed-to budget, paving the way for this summer’s nonsense. (Remember McCain and Mark Kirk crowing, “Did we just win?”) Oh, and let’s not forget that “payroll tax holiday” which cut a large hole in Social Security revenues. Wow, it’s almost like he was setting up cutting benefits later on…nah, Obama would never propose THAT.
Actually, I think he has (though nowhere near what I would hope). Just promise than when Obama gives them all the finger and raises the limit on his own, leaving the lunatics with nothing, that you write a sequel where Boehner eats an Obama shit pie, for free.
Sure, the poor and the elderly have just as many resources as corporate jet owners do. Everybody knows that. What’s your problem, you whiner?
(Seriously, did we get a new delivery of O-bots today or something?)
And why is nobody SHOCKED that Obama is now acting like the Bush tax cuts might not expire next year, after all? I mean, last December, he swore on a stack of Bibles and on his marriage and on the WWE rulebook (I think) that he was only renewing the Bush giveaways just the once, honest! I mean, I believed him…presidents always “repeal” tax cuts during election years, right? I tell you, I’m just SHOCKED he might break his word about this!
Right, because Obama’s made so many bold strides for the general welfare in his first 30 months in office, right? No catering to the wealthy or Beltway insiders for him, nuh-uh!
Seriously, what president have you been watching? (Has to have been more fun than the one I’ve been retching at.)
First, let me say that your username is exactly what I’d like to do. But, in response, “President” is the key word–the guy is not a monarch. He doesn’t draft legislation–he’s got fucking lunatics in the house and utter crooks in the Senate. Can he force them to be Progressive, just because he’s the President?
Some of you really have angry livers :) It’s OK QE3 is right around the corner :)
He will be giving out $50 for every mower soon :) and maybe an ounce of silver because we all know gold and silver are not money ;)
Now the President is outraged because the GOP House leadership called his bluff and ended discussions with him because they deemed him an obstruction to any real solution to the debt crisis.
He has been deemed a lame duck president. And he is angry now because he is being treated as such.
Hamsher or Palin? We report, you decide.
Maybe putting Ben Nelson in blackface will make a difference.
Well that’s funny because he seemed all monarchy-ish on Libya.
The GOP did call his bluff and he IS angry.
Does it really matter who gave this charecterization when it seems like a fairly accurate portrayal of the situation?
You have no argument from me at all on foreign policy. You’re right. Point conceded. This thread, to me, is about our in-house domestic debt-ceiling mess. I’ll just paste in the final paragraph of Joan Walsh here to emphasize my point: “If you want a better Democratic president, elect better Democrats to Congress and state legislatures. A primary next year would be an exercise in self-destruction. But I can say that without wanting to destroy Sanders. I hope Obama’s staunchest supporters can do the same.”
What is even more humourous is that in six months Tbogg will be chiding and tsk tsking anyone who dare not vote for this “shrewd” negotiator.
As Doris Lessing once said, sometimes you have to hold your nose and vote for the lesser of two evils if that’s all you’ve got. And America has very few choices.
I would characterize Obama as extraordinarily passive, a person who played the game so well during the election campaign and then abandoned his simple message strategy when it really mattered.
He could have sent a public message, on camera, to the rich to think less about themselves and more about the country. He could have enlisted wealthy successful business people to stand with him on that message. He could have talked about the sacrifices working people have made that have benefited the wealthiest and even the undeserving rich, those corrupt wealthy wall street assholes. But what has he done? Fired Elizabeth Warren. And he calls it compromise.
He could have said he wanted to follow Reagan’s lead and raise taxes. Why not? Use what works. He could have played any number of successful strategies that would have appealed to the public and shamed the right and those phoney tea party assholes. And he didn’t. His economists had to have known this debt ceiling issue was coming up long before the tax cuts issue reared its ugly head but there was no forward thinking. Only reacting and putting out fires. So he caves on the tax cuts and tax breaks and where’s he at now. Struggling to retain a weak triple A rating from the same agency that gave Wall Street derivatives a pass.
I sometimes wonder if Hillary would have been more capable given all she survived when the Republicans slandered her husband. She understands what they are about. But I’m not altogether sure where she stands politically.
Yeah. Negotiated something he could have settled on his own. You know, being the CIC and all. Negotiated himself into his current fiscal mess with the Obama Tax Cuts. Course, he could have done nothing, like he’s doing with DOMA, and by nothing I mean not pursuing/prosecuting the policy, and not signing the Obama Tax Cuts. Sometimes nothing is something sooo much better.
you need to point all of your anger and rage at the dumbest political adviser on the planet David Plouffe
David Plouffe is the one wrecking OBAMA
You do know the GOP is going to play the race card in 2012? yes
the idea of OBAMA cutting Social Security, Medicare, Medicade was not going to go over well in White America
ask the GOP? they were waiting to make OBAMA, there new Willie Horton.
Actually, I’ll do that right now. He may be a lousy negotiator but he is still better than the alternative, and primarying him is a fools errand since there are no viable Democrats who could take his place. Given a choice between someone who is half in the bag for the Geithner class and someone who is a wholly owned subsidiary, I’ll take Obama.
Do NOT fuck up a sacred S&G song, do NOT!
;-)
Damn, where’s the flag his ass button TBogg?
‘Kin amateurs . . .
I really shouldn’t ask this hoss, but are you selling yer good looks or your labor potential?
*G*
Hope you continue your linky’s at FDL . . . one less click ya know.
;-)
N still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.
Li Li Li!
Made ME laff, but I’m easy at times.
N this is one of the times.
;-)
No you don’t, not if ya hate his fucking policies and decision making and rapage of the middle class ya fucking don’t.
Rahm, SHUT THE FUCK UP!
Geebuz, Tej, if he hasn’t lost TBogg long ago, I’d never read TBogg in the first place. N the HELL with respect of a kiss in the morning.
Uh, what was the question?
;-)
Yep.
Nader, Nader pants on fire.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Wow, no one can negotiate like our President, nosirree!
He would also offer to mow Boner’s lawn before he left.
Perhsps Hillary would have been better, but with her negatives, we may have ended up with President McCain and VP Palin.
I’m going to challenge you on this. Write someone in. Sometimes the best you can do when the game is corrupt is to refuse to play on their terms.
Democrats and Republicans have both proven that their interest is in protecting the top of the food chain. The only way we get their attention is by shaking things up and refusing to support people who don’t listen or advocate for us.
Myself? I’ll be writing in Bernie Sanders. That way when and if Party A and B start dismantling the rest of the American dream I’ll have a clean conscience.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results my friend. It’s time to do something different. It’s time to send a message to the two parties that they don’t hold the power- we, the voters,do.
Foreign policy was the only area I was hopeful on with his Presidency. Sigh. Instead we’re still pursuing a policy where we excoriate the behavior of those we don’t like and ignore it if they are an “ally”, even if the behavior is the same. Don’t even get me started on domestic policy. He’s been a disaster.
I’m no longer interested in supporting the Democrats or Republicans. I’ll advocate for them when I see them advocating for me and the other 80% that they’ve ignored now for well over a decade. Until then I’ll keep pushing for alternatives other than them.
I’m not going to pretend I know President Obama well enough to know his intent or motivation, however I can say that I do know his policy positions and they have been wrong for this country.
When they choice is between A or B, and we KNOW only A or B can win, writing in ZXFEDK is as good as voting for the worst possible conclusion. A clean conscience only puts Miguel Estrada on the Supreme Court.
The only way we know only A or B can win is if we the people continually choose to vote for A and B. YOU have a choice. You can choose NOT to vote for those 2 choices and thereby make ZXFEDK a viable option.
Voting for candidate A may very well put the equivalent of Estrada on the court anyway. The right has been moving the ball down their side of the court this way for years. Vote for a blue dog because it’s better than a Republican has been a horrible strategy(and exactly how we got to a Democratic President talking about cutting Social Security.)I refuse to buy into fear as a motivator to vote for something that I know is bad and will be bad for my country.
Do I think making a third party choice viable will be easy? No. That being said millions of Americans died to make sure that I had a say in the process. I refuse to buy into this idea that I continually have to be a victim and to continually be ignored by the two dominant parties. I’m choosing a third option because at some point when 80% of us are being ignored you have to take a stand on principle even if it means that you’ll have to fight that much harder later on.
So… you were in a coma between 2000-2008, right?
Nope. I didn’t vote for Obama though so I can claim clean hands when it comes to the disaster he’s been.
I’m one of those Cassandra what’s its that in 2007 was questioning how an Obama health care plan that started on the premise that a mandate meant making the poor choose between rent and health care led to a universal system among other things.
How’s voting for the “lesser of the evils” working out for you so far though?
I’ll wait while you compile all the ways Obama has been so much better for the country than a President McCain would have been.
I sure hope you have better than the Citizen United ruling from the oh so left supreme court that we need to protect.
If you seriously think McCain/Palin would have been the same or possibly better, I really don’t have time for this nonsense.
I’m sure you’ll take that for a victory for you, just like your belief that a symbolic vote for Opus the Penguin or whatever has kept you pure in this sinful world.
I’ll note that you didn’t list the ways Obama has been better.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
I don’t call anything “VICTORY” that actually fails to produce anything more than symbolism. I’m still stuck living in the same “sinful” world that the rest of you suck- -er I mean pragmatic voters are.
My intent is to try to reach the tipping point where instead of people tossing their hands up and declaring victimhood they actually do something more than whine about their awful, terrible , no good, very bad options.
I don’t want to keep you from your very busy schedule though, so Good day.
Well, at least Obama didn’t invade Belgium and crowned his daughter Princess McBoobies of Bruges. Remember when McCain did that?
Yes. That was kind of a stupid request on your part…
This post could be updated to have McConnell offering Obama a new lawnmower for free first, but Our Hero turns it down because that wouldn’t be a grand bargain.
Yeah it’s absolutely ignorant to ask you to list what policies Barack Obama has implemented that are an improvement over what McCain proposed.
I mean there is the whole closing gitmo, implementing transparency in government, fixing health care so parasites can’t bleed Americans dry, getting rid of the conscience clause so women have choice…….oh wait NONE of those things have actually happened!
There isn’t a single improvement that you “pragmatic voters” got that I can see(here’s where you incessantly whine about Sarah Palin which is ironic considering her actual policy while holding a government position is TO THE LEFT of the bozo you got into office. She increased funds to Head Start and paid for low cost health care for poor children. She vetoed the state equivalent of DOMA first go round on constitutionality. She sent a pro choice judge to the bench. Mind you she’s gone bonkers SINCE and I completely disagree with everything she purports to stand for now. Death panels indeed!)
Oh I forgot, you saved the Supreme Court. I mean that Walmart ruling vs the little guy definitely showed me. What a difference! Whoopee!
The sad thing is I tried it the “progressive’s way” in 2006 and worked hard to get a Democratic majority in Congress. What did that do? Nothing. Between 2006 and 2010 the Democrats, not only did the aided and abetted thing but in 2008 when they had the majority they were equally as evil on health care adopting the blueprint of a right wing thing tank as their model and completely shut out the left side of the debate by declaring a single payer option “off the table”.
So head’s up bud, I tried it your way, the whole country tried it your way. Not only that but I’ve been a lot more polite than you are considering the fact that YOUR WAY ISN’T WORKING. Frankly, I ought to be telling YOU that your boffo crazy to believe if you just clap a little harder and get 100 Democrats in the Senate and 435 in the House while simultaneously hanging on to the WH that the Democrats will magically finally begin to do the right things for this country. I mean after all you’re so close to that(not moving in the other direction or anything)! They just need the total eradication of the Republicans and their side of a debate and then we’ll get good policy (I mean because after all it would be rude not to include their side of the debate if they still exist, that’s why Olympia Snowe was our starting point for health care even though her party was the minority. That’s why Democrats having a majority in Congress and the WH meant we had to leave in place tax cuts and that’s why today we’re discussing changes to social security. Heaven forfend the idea of telling the GOP House to go F- themselves. I get the vapors just thinking about it). Nothing unreasonable or unrealistic about YOUR kind of thinking. But hey YOU’RE RIGHT, I’m the one living in some fantasyland for asking people to try something different and tell both the major parties to bugger off when it comes to voting for President and VOTE for Other(particularly in an election cycle when the differences between what the two parties might implement if they got the Presidency is minute. I mean what was I thinking?!? Status quo! Status quo! Status quo! We wouldn’t want the oligarchs to think they might have lost control of the electorate and that the two parties that they’ve bought and paid for can no longer be expected to deliver. No! No! No! That would be INSANE.)
Grab your victory flag and fly it high dude!
You’ve convinced me of the superiority of your argument!
Enjoy complaining for the next umpteen million decades and good luck with that more and better thing.
Discussing politics with dem lemmings like Tbogg is a waste of bandwidth.
Just think, the “pragmatic dems” have been banging their heads against a concrete wall for years, and are convinced if they bang their heads harder and harder against that same wall …the pain will eventually go away. Forever.
And they think you’re stoopid and shrill and unserious for telling them to STOP ALREADY!
Tough to argue against that type of thinking, eh?