If there is one thing to admire about the Tea Partiers, it is their total lack of self-awareness and embarrassment that allows them to glide through life on a wing and a prayer and a government disability check. To understand the BachmannPerry wing of the conservative movement that has an appalling, to say nothing of undeserved, amount of sway in our daily affairs you need look no further than Stephen Stone who is the President of RenewAmerica in much the same way that I am the Publisher/CEO/Editorial Page Editor/Copy boy/Office stud of TBogg Really Really Big Media Empire, LLC.
Stephen had a medical problem, you see:
By nature, I’m not inclined to seek medical intervention, and prefer to rely on God — in faith — for His guidance and sustenance. At the time I was hospitalized, in fact, I hadn’t seen the inside of a hospital in over forty years, except to visit relatives or witness the birth of the first three of our eight children (the rest of whom were born at home with the help of midwives).
I feel it’s my duty to take charge of my own “health, education, and welfare,” and that of my family, through depending on God, not on human authority, and certainly not on government. As an example, my wife and I have home-schooled all our children end to end — teaching them to be God-centered and properly self-reliant — and as a result of this family togetherness and mutual learning, we’ve all been actively involved in the political arena for many years.
We’re also nearly done building a home by ourselves on our small farm — after years of work and sacrifice — so we might be reasonably independent and free of debt.
So when my duodenum burst, I put my trust in God, and He has blessed me and my family with His merciful care. His intervention has included sending wonderful friends and supporters of RenewAmerica to our aid. He also matched me up with a wonderful surgical staff, whose expertise (and personalized care) has been a real blessing. So far, I’m progressing on schedule, and have experienced no apparent setbacks. I’ve been told it may take months to regain my full strength or get back to my normal work schedule, but things look good.
Thankfully, I was otherwise in excellent health when my duodenum gave out, the doctor said — or I might have had more difficulty handling the surgery, or going days without food as my digestive system mended — and for this, I’m deeply grateful to divine Providence.
As far as our medical costs are concerned, the donations we’ve received have been just enough to cover the bills we’ve received to date (surgeon, anesthesiologist, emergency room, radiologist, pathologist, etc.). We haven’t yet received a formal bill from the hospital — only oral assurances — and we expect the actual bill to be substantial, but at least we’ve been able to keep up with all the other medical expenses.
So Stephen is a not-working, non-insurance-having, God-bothering, avidly-procreating, home-schooling, “self-reliant” patriotic American who, when confronted with a major medical issue, resorted to the time-tested common sense conservative principles espoused by our Founding Fathers: praying and begging.
Oh, and I left out the punchline:
We’re hoping to negotiate a minimum settlement with the hospital once its bill arrives.
As you can see from this humble and touching confession of vulnerability, when you dig deep down, Tea Partiers aren’t terrorists.
They’re children.
Really really stupid children.
Bless their pointed empty little heads…





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This is Tom Lehrer’s “Christian Scientist with Appendicitis,” only when he’s finished leaving the hospital, thanks to money he wheedled from believers, he’ll be thanking God for the miracle that saved him and making a mental note of some good zingers to nail the unbelievers with that came to him when he was going under the sweet, sweet morphine drip for the third time.
(Home schooled the kids end to end? TMI, Daddy-o!)
I have to love these people, if only for their myopic belief that the plural of “anecdote” is “data”. It’s amusing in the same way as watching a cat chasing a laser pointer.
If it’s his responsibility to take care of his own health, why didn’t he just do the surgery on himself? I’m sure one of the RenooAmurika people would’ve held the mirror for him. “Cletus, 10 ccs of lido stat!”
Gee. He was so full of shit that he done burst his duodenum.
I’d say God was trying to send him a message.
So God blew up his duodenum, then stepped in to recommend a surgeon and a hospital, and now refuses to help him pay the tab?
Sounds like the big guy is working all sides of our crappy medical system better than Rick Scott.
Oh, and Stephen Stone, here’s a little bit of advice for you. When you go in to negotiate that medical bill down, it ain’t going to be your lord and savior sitting across from you. Bring an exorcist.
He should have gone to the Emergency Room because then it would have all been free, or something.
“Publisher/CEO/Editorial Page Editor/Copy boy/Office stud”
I see Fenway had to relinquish his post after being “tutored.”
I bet that moochin’ freeloader even had a teevee in his hospital room! Also too.
Hope his surgeon wasn’t home-schooled. OR the midwife.
I feel sorry for this guy’s children.
The full of shit bust duodenum is the first clue.
Funny how these bints experience no cognitive dissonance when *they* beg for & get free money and/or services, either from other dumb-as-rocks “people” and/or from the “system,” which in this case is the hospital & insurance company, etc.
More to the point, bc of ersatz “libertarian” gawd-supplicating over-populating with dumbf*cks Stephen, YOU and I will see OUR health care insurance costs rising. But hey, thank the lowered that Stephen didn’t get none of that thar “welfare.” That would be sinful ‘n stuff.
Buttheads.
Do you have T-shirts for that? Or at least business cards?
Eh? Actually I *live* for the day when these ijots surround themselves soley with home-schooled folks and make do with their “services.” I think that would be fitting. Then they’d really be eligible for the annual Darwin Awards.
“Faith is what you have in things that don’t exist.”
Homer Simpson.
Probably hoping to pay the bill with live chickens. Or excess kids, if the ‘chicken plan’ doesn’t work out.
@daezer:
You mean, other than the self-lobotomy that he’s already handled with consummate skill? Well, unlike the conservative brain, the organ that creates shit is critical to their existence and well-being. So better leave it to the pros.
Props for the “Sam Stone” title.
2 things:
First, as a nurse of (too many) my eyes got all trickly watching Gabby Giffords WALK! into the House to vote on the POS bill. I was proud of her, and more proud of a large number of people who have worked very, very hard to acquire the skills that allowed her to recover. God had way less influence over her recovery than did Florence Nightengale and the principals of asepsis. Ms. Giffords strength brought her back to where she is, but it took a lot of people to keep her strong.
Second, and corollary to the above, Fuck You, “ersatz ‘libertarian”gawd-supplicating over-populating with dumbfucks Stephen”. You dare to come to ME and my colleagues crying “I tried to take out my appendix in the chicken coop, now SAVE ME!” Those hard working folks did save him, and now he doesn’t want to pay them, because he spent all the money on a butter churn. Fuck you again. If you want to be a libertarian god botherer (how does that work?) and live in the 19th century, then let God and the free market cure your peritonitis. Don’t ask me to do it for nearly free.
Seriously, Stephen isn’t even negotiating with the people who saved his wretched life. He’s negotiating with some administrator two or three steps removed from them. The administrator doesn’t even know what the surgeons and nurses and therapists and anesthesiologists do- only the RVU payout for it. Go ahead, Stephen. Ask the anesthesiologist if she’ll work for 10 cents on the dollar because your lifestyle choices don’t include planning for the inevitable. This pisses me off, obviously. A national health system, into which everybody pays and from which everybody benefits, including me, because I’ll get paid, is socialism. But poor-mouthing and stiffing the folks WHO SAVED YOUR SORRY ASS is the work of the Lord on earth.
I mean it. How can you be a Christian Libertarian? Does not compute.
Sorry for the all caps. They substitute for facial expressions and hand gestures.
Hey! When I typed that, it was in paragraphs. The hell?
And how did that work out for ya? Dumbass.
End to end, completely awesome. “We’re also nearly done building a home by ourselves…” So the next post will be about the miracle of their 4 year old surviving when he falls off the “self-built” ladder from the first floor to the second floor?” Or will it be about how only the dog and none of the children died from teh CO that God leaked out of the flue from the oil drum stove?
I found a comment yesterday on a facebook thread (from one of my friends) about Rep Giffords appearance in Congress from someone (not someone I know) rhapsodizing about how Giffords’s recovery is “a testimonial to our health care system. “It’s the best in the world!” followed by a brief rant as to how with the advent of “obamacare” such care will become out of reach to “most people.”
Did I see red? Grrrrr.
Now, I normally eschew politics on my FB page, bc I use to keep in touch with family and old friends, many of whom are very conservative. But…I went ahead and put up a post explaining just how wrong she was.
Last time I looked, it had been liked by several more people, and hers not at all.
Plus another comment telling her shse had her facts backwards, and several from Brits extolling their National Health, despite its acknowledged problems.
Hit a nerve, I think.
The nice thing about being a Christian Libertarian is that being two or three steps removed from the hospital staff is a feature, not a bug. As far as he’s concerned, they don’t exist, and he has no moral obligation to take them into account when he sits down to negotiate his settlement.
I’d love to be a fly on the wall when he explains to Administrator Steelballs that he’s not paying no damn $5 for an ibuprofen, because Wilford Brimley sells them for $6 per thousand on the Lifetime channel.
And Stephen, you’d better hope you have more than one hospital in your area, or that God decides that no one in your family should ever need serious medical care again. If not, you and the Lord are about to become acquainted with the “prepayment plan.”
So he’s paid the initial bills with donations from others?
That’s some awesome “self-reliance” right there. Commie.
I think I will now amend the job title that appears in my not-for-profit corporation’s papers. I hope there’s enough room.
QFT. Brilliant title.
If some people want to live in the 18th Century, that’s their right. Just don’t take the rest of us with you.
Fortunately or unfortunately for moral reasons it’s necessary to just wait for these cretins to die of natural causes.
He relied on people being gullible suckers (not exactly a big risk) to his own self-benefit. To him, that’s pulling himself up by the bootstraps.
And do remember, these are the lessons he is “teaching” his children. It’ll take a powerful long time to break that brainwashing.
His pard wants people to donate 20Gs (‘if you got that kinda cash lying around just looking for a cigarette to burn it, why not send it to Stephen’ he asks)
I suppose that time is a discrete quantity for these folks: what I said or did 2 minutes ago is completely irrelevant and unconnected to what I am doing right now.
ER’s are not free. That’s a myth, easily exploded when the Hospital collection agency starts harassing. If you have more than $2000.00 in assets you are responsible for the entire tab.
Pitiful. Really not spiritually or politically pure, faithful to principles.
Just dirt dumb.
How can you be a Christian Libertarian?”"
??
rather easily – I disagree with the approach and want the Gov to help with doing what God asks us to do, but the libertarian version says the individual should do all the Godly work and leave government to police work
This blog post is a bit same old-same old, as most of us know of foolish folks, even jerks, in every sub group you can name. The point of the post seems to be to imply that our opponents who are Christian are lesser folks than ourselves. Indeed it could be read as a simple dump on the religious.
Not too useful to advancing progressive ideas.
And our news media always looking for entertainment promote them as serious people fit to run the country.
I guess they could always eat the kids and the grannies and granpas when the goin’ gits tuffer. One stop shopping.
At least we know that none of his children will be doctors since they are home schooled – thank gawd.
Yeah, the cat never learns what he’s chasing is just a spot of light – a shiny image! Though I bet a smart cat can learn – a Tea Partier? not so much.
Duodenum bursts are usually due to ulcers, if the guy hadn’t completely avoided doctors like the plague and “trusting in God” until something forced him to either see a doctor or die, he would have saved much money. The doctor could have probably treated with a cheap course of antibiotics to kill of his chronic infection of Helicobacter pylori, all for very little money. So obviously god sucks at inspiring good medical practices among his faithful.
I apologize. I attempt to treat religious folks in much the same way that I treat children who believe that something is living under their beds at night; benign, but amused tolerance. But not to worry, the secular world will be there to pick you up when Jesus leaves you standing on the corner and looking at your watch in the pouring rain.
Like the cat chasing the laser pointer. Even though it discovers there’s nothing there, next minute it’s chasing it again.
I look forward to his next post complaining that the government is interfering with his Medicare and Social Security like it is some kinda government program.
As an example, my wife and I have home-schooled all our children end to end
And this is the biggest problem we have right here. They are literally too stupid to know they live off the government, and are raising more extremely low info kids to believe the same.
Indeed. Becuase criticizing one religious nut is the same thing as criticizing religion.
The religious “faith” of people like that is infantile, when you think of spiritual leaders like the Dalai Lama. Or Martin Luther King.
It’s laughable that people could read the bible and think any word in that book would lead them to believe they shouldn’t seek medical attention when they are ill.
Why simple, it’s because I support him in his goal to become truly self-sufficient and would hate to see him fall back on begging. Besides, god will provide (that one’s just after “The check’s in the mail.”).
“The point of the post seems to be to imply that our opponents who are Christian are lesser folks than ourselves. Indeed it could be read as a simple dump on the religious.”
No, the point of the post is calling out the hypocrisy and utter shallowness of this person’s “principles,” with the purpose of illustrating the shallowness of many of the Tea Party’s arguments. I bet any truly religious person would be disgusted with this creep. I wish I could be more spiritual and admire figures such as the Dalai Lama. That admiration is what disgusts me about Stephen.
It sure is.
God helps those who help themselves – or so I was taught. Getting himself medical attention or going for regular checkups would have been helping himself. The man is a grifter and should receive no more funds from his friends.
Always good to see a John Prine allusion. Saw him at the Orpheum in LA a month or two ago.
The guy was just following Matthew 6:25-34
“For this reason I say to you, do not be worried about your life, as to what you will eat or what you will drink; nor for your body, as to what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? Look at the birds of the air, that they do not sow, nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth much more than they? And who of you by being worried can add a single hour to his life? And why are you worried about clothing? Observe how the lilies of the field grow; they do not toil nor do they spin, yet I say to you that not even Solomon in all his glory clothed himself like one of these. But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which is alive today and tomorrow is thrown into the furnace, will He not much more clothe you? You of little faith! Do not worry then, saying, `What will we eat?’ or `What will we drink?’ or `What will we wear for clothing? For the Gentiles eagerly seek all these things; for your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.”
Ding!
Has anyone identified the John Prine reference yet?
Oops, just saw it.
The last three sentences are classic…….and fucking hilarious.
So how come this guy had to “toil and spin” so hard all his life?
“And [religion] eased his pain, while the grass grew ’round his brain and gave him all the confidence he lacked . . .” And “Jesus Christ died for nothing, I suppose.”
Whatever happened to the idea of someone ‘not being a Good Christian’? I mean, just because ur testifying never meant that u were especially effective….
Sounds to me like the dude failed the faith test. Went to a hospital. Indeed. Couldn’t he have waited until G-d’s hand healed him all by itself.
G_d bless U, Little TBogg!
This was said by an iternerate rabbi who got free room and board everywhere he went, and at least for the last three years of his short life, never worked a day.
“Really really stupid children.”
That’s what unreflective, fear-addled, unquestioned deference to authority tends to produce.
The unfortunate thing is that Stone, from what I can tell from this excerpt, would not need to be a fundamentalist if he had access to adequate health care–among other things, probably. When one is without the power and material possessions to positively affect their own quality of life, what else is left but magic and abstractions. Hell, it doesn’t cost you anything and it just might help. This is the meaning of religion is the opiate of the masses.
From Altemeyer’s summation of authoritarian followers from “The Authoritarians”:
They are easily incited, easily led, rather un-inclined to think for themselves, largely impervious to facts and reason, and rely instead on social support to maintain their beliefs. They bring strong loyalty to their in-groups, have thick-walled, highly compartmentalized minds, use a lot of double standards in their judgments, are surprisingly unprincipled at times, and are often hypocrites. But they are also Teflon-coated when it comes to guilt. They are blind to themselves, ethnocentric and prejudiced, and as closed-minded as they are narrowminded. They can be woefully uninformed about things they oppose, but they prefer ignorance and want to make others become as ignorant as they.”
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
The excerpt above explains how fundamentalists never blame or think that their god abandonded them when they got sick, and yet give that god the credit that, in this case, actually belongs to doctors (i.e. “human authority”).
The Tea Party and folks like Stone are the result of generations of corporate oppression of the poor, especially in Appalachia and deep south.
“So God blew up his duodenum, then stepped in to recommend a surgeon and a hospital, and now refuses to help him pay the tab?”
Excellent summation. Except that I think from Stone’s perspective, Satan blew up his duodenum. God is surprisingly impotent in saving his followers from the acts of Satan (and if the book of Job is any indication, he enjoys facilitating it), at least until after the Apocalypse, apparently–probably why so many fundamentalists are so anxious for it to get here. Unlike George W., who speaks for him, God does not do pre-emptive strikes against the forces of evil (and if he did, who would need him?). It’s all part of the “free will” construction that the Old Man has rigged to test his followers.
Oh, yes. The real issue is not that Tea Partiers and Christian fundamentalists are stupid, or cruel, or inherently bad people. The problem is poverty and ignorance. Or, you show me someone who has a free, fearless, decent quality of life and I’ll show you someone who doesn’t need magic or hate to get them through the day.
Welfare, by definition, is only what other people get. When you get it, it is called a blessing or a subsidy. The word terrorism works the same way.
During a conversation a while back with my mother’s cardiologist, he started talking about religion and his chances of getting into heaven.
I didn’t say anything but the only thing I could think of was in line with what you said, TBogg: This highly educated and otherwise mature adult is talking like a child.
I can still hear Eugene Talmadge saying “you don’t need a doctor when you have God.”
ROTFLMAO
I was going to call him a Socialist, but, you have the right idea.
I too get a bit disheartened sometimes, when an FDL discussion turns into a same-old, same-old, spleen venting against The Other.
.
I guess we all need to rant sometimes, Lord knows I do, but FDL folks need to talk more about
CONVERTING people to our side. So WHAT if we’re right but we can’t win people over. If that were enough for me I’d be a Democrat.
Don’t you usually negotiate in the Free Market in advance? I’m sure the folks at the hospital would have been delighted to agree to accept a tiny fraction of the actual costs associated with saving this doofus. It’s not like all the people the Sky Daddy hooked him up with expect to be paid.
Asshat.
On the day the Lord saw fit to save Stephen from his aliments, He didn’t bother with the 21,000 children (under five) who die each and every day.
God is great!
If this wasn’t so infuriating, the utter lack of self awareness would be comical.
This business of “negotiating a minimum settlement” is precisely why the cost of health care is skyrocketing. And I am sure this tool not only rails against the Insurance Mandate, but will continue to assert that he is living a self sufficient and libertarian lifestyle.
While our insurance premiums go up.
Douche Bag.
And his kids go ’round wearing other peoples clothes.
so Socialized Medicine that all pay into ….bad. Begging ….good.
The hysterical part about this is he hasn’t even got the bill he’s so sure he won’t have to pay because he’s so beloved. The second part is the bastard has EIGHT CHILDREN and no job.
I’ll bet the farm, grandma’s diamond ring, and a chicken that the bastard has every one of his kids on SCHIP. Any takers??
What a bang-up job of privatizing his benefits and socializing his losses.
Bmaccnm, this is a wonderful response.
You should write it up as a MyFDL Diary.
Seriously.
Thank you.
PS – I’m sure hoping he gets Obama to “negotiate” for him!
It’s a shame Obamacare has killed the negotiating power of man-on-pot bellied pig offspring. Back in the day just about any doc would yard your spleen and polish your poopmaker in trade for a handsome pot bellied kid-pig…
In response to Cathy:
With all due respect, there are plenty of words in the big book that could lead a believer to think he does not need to seek medical care. For one, I can’t think of a single individual in the Bible that turns to a doctor when he falls ill (and yes, they existed – Aristotle lived 3.5 centuries before the baby Jeebus was born). Moreover, you have miracles like Jesus curing leprosy and, um, for that matter, death. So if you’re a TRUE believer then these miracles can happen as long as your faith is genuine enough.
“…when an FDL discussion turns into a same-old, same-old, spleen venting against The Other.”
Oh, that’s rich. We’re right, but just a bunch of dirty fucking hippie losers? D’you really think this is a center-right country when poll after poll shows a majority believing in progressive causes? Nobody needs conversion.
Sheesh.
Excellent summation. Except that I think from Stone’s perspective, Satan blew up his duodenum. God is surprisingly impotent in saving his followers from the acts of Satan
So Stone is a polytheist? If a person believes in God *and* the devil, how can he consider himself a monotheist?
Relying on the kindness of strangers is just like insurance. I read that in my home schooling textbook.
Sheesh indeed!
Seems to be a bleeding-over of low-snark/humor-challenged peeps into TBogg’s Cage-O-Splendor from fdl-central these days. Next thing you know they’ll be demanding teh puppies stop eating panties….
“These are the my-ster-ies of faaaaaiiiiiith.”
“Consider the impasse of a one God universe.
He is all-knowing and all-powerful.
He can’t go anywhere since He is already everywhere.
He can’t do anything since the act of doing presupposes opposition.
His universe is irrevocably thermodynamic having no friction by definition. So, He has to create friction: War, Fear, Sickness, Death,
To keep his dying show on the road.”
–William Burroughs “One God Universe”
I don’t know. Some nonsense about an oppositional dichotomy. Apparently, a monotheistic god needs an evil Other like firemen need fires. Without this irreconcilable Other, the monotheistic god is meaningless.
thanks for the link, otto. Now, how to combat it….
You confuse “spleen-venting” with sarcasm, irony and schadenfreude, aka snark. And Snark is much more effective at winning people over than preaching. Just for example, what I’m telling you now is preaching, and it isn’t having any effect on you, is it?
Nah, because if you visit the comment history of these snark-challenged folks they drop their very serious 2 cent bombs on every fdl blog post in sight, returning only when fresh blog wafts from central command. They’re very un-smooth jazz and very unlike our favorite rape-porn fanatic, both of whom come back around to throw everyone over the bus. I almost think they hate leggy super models and, perhaps, even Shakira’s ass….
I’m surprised he doesn’t let God perform miracle surgery. After all, he credits God for everything.
Sarah Palin’s hair salon, appropriately named Beehive, is getting it’s own reality show. Called Big Hair Alaska.
Well, part of Altemeyer’s assessment from the nurture side of the coin is that authoritarian followers are made not born, partly by their developmental experience with rules and authority. If authority fails you or, in testing the boundaries of your world while growing up, you break the rules and end up having a positive experience you tend to have less faith in authority. If authorities are a salvation, you are scared by chaos or danger, or breaking the rules ends up in disaster, you are more likely to respect authority.
The mythology, narrative and worldview you inherit from your parents and community plays a part as well. If you get terrorized from a pulpit that insists you are a sinner in the hands of an angry god, are told the Evil Other Boogieman is out to do you in, are fed Apocalyptic bedtime stories, and are otherwise brought up to believe that the world is out to get you, such fear-mongering can’t help but drive you into the arms of an imagined powerful and benevolent authority. Hantshel had a good post on the narrative angle the other day: http://firedoglake.com/2011/08/01/late-night-fdl-racist-pigs-dream-of-electric-fences/#comment-2405636
Economics figures in, too. If faith, church attendance and prayer can produce highly valuable results, then spending the few hours a week that it takes to do these things is a small price to pay. The possibility of getting something for next to nothing is tempting.
Education is important. The more you have of the real, free, subjective, experiential kind, the more thoughtful and confident you may become, and the less you will need Right Answers from an authority figure. The problem is that in the US the dominant model of education is one of memorization, conformity and deference to authority. Garbage in, garbage out.
Remedies along any of these lines can help.
But the biggest factor is fear: Fear of Hell, fear of powerlessness, fear of those who are different, fear of the unknown, fear of what can’t be controlled, fear of doubt, fear of death, fear of the flickering shadows on the TV. My friends and acquaintances who are of the Christian Fundamentalist and Tea Party persuasion (and in Kansas there are a god-awful lot of them–not surprising in a welfare state) share one thing in common: They are scared shitless and feel powerless, despite the bravado. God and guns give them the semblance of the confidence, power, control and knowledge they otherwise lack.
Solution: Help them not feel so scared. Fear literally shuts down one’s ability to learn (see Carl Rogers). Talk to them, help them out, listen to them, ask them questions about their ideas, expose them to new things when they trust you, and let them know that you are not afraid. I know, these things sound silly. And the hideous power of the hateful propagandists like Beck and Limbaugh seem insurmountable, not to mention the policies of the owning class. But what the hell else is a body to do?
But what the hell else is a body to do?
See, that is a valid question because often the contact made is not personal, but is on a comment thread. Comment threads are set up for snark and irony. It is also safe to say that when these ppl do post, they often set themselves up for derision. Who can pass that up?
He also matched me up with a wonderful surgical staff, whose expertise (and personalized care) has been a real blessing.
So God is sort of like 1-800-DENTIST?
I have long maintained that this particular type of “God … has blessed me and my family with His merciful care” Christian conceit of Stone’s is not run-of-the-mill, just-avert-your-eyes-for-a-moment, play-along-to-get-along-with-the-Christian foolish jerkishness. It is, in fact an insidious and destructive conceit.
For if you accept it, if you let it pass without pointing out its utter fallacy, you are intrinsically accepting and approving its corollary, that the kid down the street who died of the infections from his abscessed teeth, ah, that also was God’s will, not the fact that his family couldn’t afford dental care on minimum wage jobs, not because you screamed bloody murder about socialism at the town hall meetings with your congressman.
You are accepting the magic pony model of medicine that God will simply provide for those he chooses to bless with His merciful care – so there is no need for government to regulate health insurers, no need to provide adequate schools and colleges for future physicians, no need for the NIH to fund research in treating MRSA, no need for taxes to support the local hospital district, no reason for the nurses to be allowed to unionize, and so on and so on. For those reasons it really is necessary to argue forcefully that these childish tenets of Christians are lesser, are demonstrably and empirically lesser than the reality of 21st century medical science and technology.
“The Gods are not exactly lazy, but they are self-respecting and refuse to waste good mystery on work that we should do ourselves.”
Talbot Mundy January 1926
Perhaps the hospital will take this jackaass’s children as indentured servants to pay off his bill.
I am so stealing that, BOHICA.
well said, and I quite agree. It’s all very well to be respectful of others’ belief systems (even if most folks, like Stephen, tend to almost *never* be respectful of either me or my beliefs, but I digress). However, being respectful can often turn into endorsing and/or empowering and/or, frankly, being co-dependent with such people.
As this little true-life fable proves, Stephen is really not some truly “rugged individualist” libertarian really truly relying on his notion of a god-head. Rather, Stephen’s pretty much a jobless lazy slacker who decided to go the quiver-full route of producing lots of kids with no real income.
As another comment indicates above, a burst duodenum is indicative of Stephen’s lack of personal responsibility to *take care of himself.* Stephen took the LAZY way out and, instead, didn’t get a job and pay for some medical care. It’s all very well to pray. Please do so; it’s a great thing to do.
But there’s no denying that “God helps those who help themselves.” Had Stephen been *responsible* enough to get medical care much earlier, the cost for his treatment would’ve been waaaaay lower, and his medical trevails would’ve been insignifcant.
As it is, we now have some Bible-thumping boob pounding on his chest and asserting his self-righteous “betterment” because he *believes* that he “relied on God.” Well, no, not really.
Stephen, instead, is relying on someone else – some other human being, not God – to PAY his way & CURE much worse ills than he needed to have. Pointing this out is, imo, the correct thing to do. Agreeing with somnambulistic “ideals” about how religion and god are alleged to work does no one any good. Clearly Stephen needs to get off his land, get a job and go take some adult education classes to learn how to be a *responsible* ADULT. Right now, Stephen is an overgrown child who is a blight on the system, and he’s currently raising 8 more to be just as irresponsible, dull-witted, and sucking off the system as he is.
The end.
INFIDELS!
And, since you brought him up, why isn’t smoothjazz back to throw people over the bus? Must have been that ineffective spleen-venting.
a.k.a.
“Jesus didn’t help you make that touchdown, so STFU”
You ignorant,inbred, hillbilly, pan-handlin’, bible thumping idgit. Shut yer fucking pie hole, you’re making everybody sick. When infections take over and you’re nothing but a giant throbbing pustule threatening to explode your vile puss all over the neighborhood, do everybody a favor and jump into a live volcano so your infections don’t spread. Burn your computer keyboard that is full of your drool. Get a surfboard and catch the next tsunami out of here. You Freak.
Lucky for Frank God didn’t make “Thou Shalt not Beg” as another commandment. He’d have been up shit’s creek without a paddle.
I know the T-Bogg Party has moved on to fresher subject matter, but I need to point out that while I always read a cautionary threads on our side of the fence that go, “yes, we are right, but we need turn the other cheek and not heap scorn on those that rightfully deserve it”….I’ve never read the equivalent post on the other side. Why is that?