Then he can send her to her hospice without any supper…

Oooohh. Ouch.

From Bouffant’s excellently snarky post, too: “Perry stood out for his modest intellectual gifts. Hell, he got a C in animal breeding.”

I for one welcome our new bible-thumping Overlord.

You’ve got to love the argument that vaccination is an ungodly ticket to sin without consequence. I assume, then, that Preznit Perry will promptly do away with any and all laws that prevent bad shit from happening — after all, if you recklessly chose to be on a plane that God intended to crash, then why on earth should we mere mortals interfere with His lofty goals by putting flight controllers in the way?

While we’re on the subject, I agree with this guy.

I mean: doesn’t installing seat belts in cars give all drivers permission to go crashing into trees?

Duh!

And of course, once you’re safely married, you can’t get HPV, no matter what your spouse did before.

Thanks, thing (if I may) but it was Paul Begala bringing the snark. I am but a conduit.

And voluminous thanks to somewhat popular TBogg for linking to somewhat unknown me rather than the Daily Beast source! A few more links like that & there’ll be advertising chez moi!

A few more links like that & there’ll be advertising chez moi!

And PonchoNonLeftyPartisanLiberal bringing the Righteous Hammer of Stuff down on ya!

Doesn’t Tejas require a whole variety of vaccinations for children before they’re allowed to go to school? Even the U, if I recall – when, for my sins, I attended UT, students were being compelled to be vaccinated against rubella….

Damned Germans.

Too bad there isn’t a vaccine preventing wingnuttia syndrome. If Perry’s any example, they need the shot early in life.

Shorter rick pArry: Now that Merck has made the money they wanted, and I need rightwing reactionary votes, I want you to believe I’m sorry.

Kinda hard-core FDL of you to point this out, tbogg. nonpartisanwalkthewalkliberal is going to think he got through to you.

probably Notre Dame football fan

Now that, my friend, is a serious insult. Good on you.

It’s really no different than when they developed an effective drug cocktail against HIV, and all of a sudden, POOF! Everybody wants to be GAY!

Based on the available evidence, the children of religious nut jobs who push “just say no” sex education are at least as likely to have sex as any other teen and more likely to have unprotected sex. In consequence, they have higher rates of STDs and teen pregnancies.

That Rick Perry could easily become president scares the everloving crap out of me.
He’s like an Elmer Gantry with poison snake oil in a traveling carnival.
I’m sorry, FDLers, but I’ll vote for Obama if this guy is the pick.
I don’;t want to die on a flaming pyre when Perry and Bachmann bring witch burning back!
I don’t want to die in an Obama concentration camp either.
I figure I can take myself out before either happens, but I’d like options

hey dont tempt fate there. im sure the airlines would love to combine a reduction in safety regulations with “tort reform” which would prohibit “frivolous” lawsuits ie., “so what the pilot was sniffing glue, you took your chances getting on that damn thing anyway”

And boosters every six months!! That shit is very persistent ya know!!

Wingnuts love HPV because its an STD that condoms can’t fully prevent (since intercourse isn’t necessary for the spread, just skin contact, dry humping can possibly lead to it as well). It something they can scream about when talking about how dangerous premarital sex is. The vaccine takes away their talking point and they are pissed.

Wow, where can I cop some of this Gardasil? It sounds better than Rohypnol!

W00f that was really vivid, TBogg (hat tip to M. Bouffant regarding the younger Rickshaw pArry).

That “C”in animal husbandry?
Did he have trouble getting the sheep over the fence?

nonpartisanwalkthewalkliberal is walkin’ to a different beat…

What’s really scary is reading some of the comments in the links.

To these folks, Perry isn’t crazy ENOUGH!

Watch Obama supporters push Rick Perry for all he’s worth.

If either one wins we are screwed since they both work for The Big Oligarchical Man.

The left side of the management will push the hell out of this guy.

He’s their hope for no change.

“Well, I’ve made the argument many times that we need to get rid of elections and have a system of random selection of limited-term representatives chosen from the general population.”

O.K., after reading that, explain to me why nienpartisanliberale isn’t in Stockholm accepting the Nobel Peace Prize?!? I mean, it’s so fucking simple it’s pure genius!

Step one: get rid of elections.
Step two: then a miracle happens…wait…oh fuck…

Don’t worry, he won’t be, and here’s why:

Back in 2009, Kay Bailey Hutchinson, Perry’s GOP rival in the governor’s race, had the phrase “rick perry gay” embedded in the hidden keywords of her website.

Remember this for, oh, round about October or so, when the first “Is Rick Perry Gay?” stories start making it to the evening TV newscasts and Republicans immediately blame liberals for starting these rumors.

First of all, the tag on this post is teh awesome.

Second, I can’t help but wonder what the reaction would be to a vaccine that prevented something affecting males, supposing HPV was a major cause of testicular cancer or something like that.

Third, Texas (as with many if not most states) does require proof of a number of vaccinations for children attending public schools (see here for example).

Sheesh, next thing you know they will be putting fluoride in our drinking water and …

A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That’s the way your hard-core Commie works.

Oh fuck, indeed!

nonpartlibby is a misunderstood comedian.

“Opt-in”? You mean like how some school districts use “opt-in” for sex education classes because the bible thumpers and God-botherers have come to the School Board meetings threatening lawsuits and recall elections if their kid learns anything about the subject?

Yeah, that’s a brilliant idea.

Oh, you guys shoulda been here in Texas when all this hoo-hah was actually going on. I remember thinking, this was an astonishing sensible thing for Perry to do…and then all the anti-sex folks started screeching…it was quite a carnival for awhile there.

You know those ‘educational films’ men in the military watched/watch to protect themselves from getting ghonorrhea and syphilis? Yeah, well, that just encouraged them to go to brothels. It was a goddamned green light for our servicemen to commit venal acts!! Filthy, filthy armed forces.

One of his commenters actually wrote: Gardisil [sic] only protects against a few strains of HIV, not against all of them. Not all HIV causes cervical cancer, and many cases of HIV disappear on their own.

They are too fucking stupid to know the difference between HIV and HPV, and yet somehow still think that they should weigh in on matters of pubic [sic?] health.

~ Harry R. Sohl

As bad as Mercer is, there was some right-wing woman a few years who didn’t want to give out the vaccine, because she felt the threat of cancer was useful in preventing teens from having sex. These are horrible people.

What seems to be forgotten is that Rick Perry’s “executive order” on mandated HPV vaccination had less to do with public health than with attempts to expand the powers of the Texas Governor. Texas Governors can’t give executive orders, and haven’t been able to do much other than appoint commissioners to the various agencies (like the Texas Railroad Commission, that controls oil revenue and school funding, among other things… oh yeah, and has something to do with railroads). The attempt to mandate gardisal was a political payback for campaign contributions from Merck.

Yea, I actually thought here in Texas Perry might do one thing right. But Noooooooo.

The sad thing is that the stupid lame excuse that giving the vaccine is like telling your kids we know you can’t say no is actually fixed by a state mandate but that makes too much sense to these mouth breathers .

Eric in Austin

POOF!

I see what you did there.

…On the other hand, let the right wing opt out on behalf of their kids, and live with the consequences. A generation or two from now, we’ll see if Darwinism is just a theory….

But why does Joshua want tweens to get HPV which is the cause of nearly all cases of cervical cancer?

Disgusting. Not Perry, but your twisting around what he said to imply malicious intent, on his part.

From an editorial in the Journal of the American Medical Association, we see that gardasil is not risk-free:

In another article, Slade and colleagues14 from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the US Food and Drug Administration describe the adverse events that occurred 2.5 years following the receipt of quadrivalent HPV vaccine that were reported through the US Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS). Even though most of the reported adverse events were not serious, there were some reports of hypersensitivity reactions including anaphylaxis, Guillain-Barré syndrome, transverse myelitis, pancreatitis, and venous thromboembolic events. VAERS is a passive, voluntary reporting system, and the authors call attention to its limitations. They point out that only systematic, prospective, controlled studies will be able to distinguish the true harmful effects of the HPV vaccine. These limitations work both ways: it is also difficult to conclude that a serious event is not caused by the vaccine.

There’ve been unexplained deaths correlating to gardasil, also. See the wikipedia article.

Also, from the JAMA editorial:

Likewise, it is impossible to predict exactly what effect vaccination of young girls and women will have on the incidence of cervical cancer 20 to 40 years from now. The true effect of the vaccine can be determined only through clinical trials and long-term follow-up.

This looks to me like the girls are being used as guinea pigs. While there is probably no other way to really learn if gardasil works in humans, other than conducting 20-40 years experiments, that should be done only by full disclosure of potential risks, and potential benefits (to whatever extent they can be known, that is).

Oh, yeah. Gardasil is the surprise “winner” amongst vaccines in causing abortions and stillbirths:

He goes on to state, “But the graph has more shocking results for us. The H1N1 Flu vaccine appears in many of the abortion/stillbirth cases, but not the most. The ‘winner’, appearing in 297 of the VAERS records associated with miscarriage, is Gardasil (vaccine code HPV4)! Once again, this vaccine is a newcomer, having only existed for four years.”

Imagine how much more we’ll know about it’s deleterious effects in, say, another 10 years, eh?

Wait a minute, you’re citing part of your argument to an editorial in JAMA and to Wikipedia? And you want to be taken seriously?

There’s always risk when it comes to vaccination, whether we’re talking about H1N1, HPV, or even the MMR shots you need before your kid enters public school. The question is whether the risks of getting the vaccination outweigh the risks of not getting the vaccination, and so far the data is at best inconclusive or selectively analyzed (as the same JAMA editorial points out, all of the data is based upon passive studies).

So it’s really easy to read whatever you want to read into it.

The JAMA editorial had references and the Wikipedia article referenced “Overall, 772 events (6.2% of the total number of adverse events, but only 0.003% of the total number of doses) were described as serious and included 32 deaths (1 per 1,000,000 doses).[42]”

To hear TBogg tell it, Perry practically wants tweens to die of cervical cancer, or at least get infected with HPV. Whether the vaccine will be shown to be effective in 20 years, and whether, e.g., those getting damaged pancreas from it now end up with incurable pancreatic cancer in 15 years, at rates exceeding whatever benefits of Gardasil may show up, is apparently of no concern to the diarist. No! The diarist applies his/her magnificent intellect to conclude the regretting an opt-out program, in favor of an opt-in program, means that Perry has malicious intent. He wants tweens to “get HPV”.

Sheer, unmitigated nonsense, doubtless fueled by hatred of other aspects of Perry’s belief system, that have nothing to do with the subject of how much the government should encourage or make easy vaccination by Gardasil.

Many of the commenters over there berate Perry for being a liberal. And I thought that the wingnuts couldn’t get any nuttier. Silly me. That’ll teach me not to get out of the boat again.

Speaking as someone who works in environments with “opt-in” programs, you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.

They are malicious because they are designed solely so people with agendas to push can push them on everyone, and when you’re talking about the school environment “opt-ins” are particularly bad simply because it automatically excludes people based on the fact that the form didn’t get returned for whatever reason (most commonly, the kid “forgot” to give it to the parent or lost it).

For you to stand here and defend them is either hubris in the infallibility of your position, or sheer hard-headedness.

People with agendas can push them on everyone.

“Everyone”? Is this a joke? Surely you meant to write something different. If some “people” with such “agendas” were so powerful as to compel people to opt-out, why would they not simply use their awesome mind-control powers to make everybody forget what HPV stands for?

“opt-ins” are particularly bad simply because it automatically excludes people based on the fact that the form didn’t get returned for whatever reason (most commonly, the kid “forgot” to give it to the parent or lost it).

There’s this wonderful invention called the internet. The IRS makes use of this invention to, amongst other uses, post copies of Tax forms that can easily be downloaded.

An even older invention called the telephone allows the school administration to call parents to remind them.

Of course, the same problem of a kid who “forgot” to give an opt-in form to parents, or lost it, would also apply to a kid who “forgot” to give an opt-out form to parents, or lost it. Yet, that doesn’t bother you.

For purposes of serving as a guinea pig, IMO, opt-in is more appropriate. The diarist still has no justification for saying that Perry wants girls to get HPV, and more than I could claim the diarist want girls to get pancreatitis, stillborn births, etc.

Basically, the diarist thinks the state should decide what’s best for the children, but some parents think the state has no right to treat their daughters as guinea pigs.

Perhaps if you knew more about the God-awful corruption of the FDA, you’d side with the “My daughter is not your guinea pig” crowd.

Thank you, Dr. Jenny McCarthy….

Nothing like a substantive reply, to assure us that you’re as serious as Jim Carrey – in one of his movies!

Not every parent has an internet connection at home. And the school has way too many other things to do than make 300-400 phone calls (even on an automated dialer) to remind people to return a form. If you actually worked in a school district or had contact with people who did, you’d know these things.

So take your holier-than-thou attitude and cram it up your ass. If it wasn’t for that “corrupt” FDA, I would be dead right now. So would a lot of my friends.

And if I were you (and thank God I’m not, because you sound like a sanctimonious prig), I’d think twice before making stupid and asinine remarks. Now do go away, before I am forced to say something unkind.