Quite the banner day for Democrats…
Despite polls showing that the public is overwhelmingly on board with raising taxes on millionaires, they promptly rolled over on their backs and piddled on their bellies when push came to shove.
In what would be a major concession, President Obama and Senate Democrats will drop their insistence that a surtax on millionaires pay for extending the payroll tax cut, a Democratic source tells CNN. This would be part of a new Democratic offer.
Meanwhile Democratic Senator Ron Wyden has decided to apply for the position of wingman in granny-snuffing sociopath Paul Ryan’s fiscal slasher posse:
House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, who has been castigated by Democrats and hailed by Republicans for his plan to privatize Medicare, will on Thursday unveil a new approach that would preserve the 46-year-old federal health program.
Working with Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden (Ore.), the Wisconsin Republican is developing a framework that would offer traditional, government-run Medicare as an option for future retirees along with a variety of private plans.
Seniors would still receive a set amount of money from the government to buy insurance, as they would under the Medicare proposal Ryan included in the budget blueprint that passed the House last year. But the new approach would let that subsidy, known as premium support, rise or fall along with the actual cost of the policies — creating more protection for seniors and saving potentially far less in the budget.
Because you know what would save a shit-ton of money for the government?
Allowing a third party middle-man whose business model is built upon obscene profits to collect “premium support” dollars from the government while delaying and denying treatment to the “covered” seniors on whom the clock is quickly running out.
What could possibly go wrong?
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Thank goodness we have someone looking out for the poor insurance companies! The thought of a top insurance executive having to suffer through Christmas with less than a 7-figure bonus makes the baby Jeebus cry–and puts out the lamps of my Menorah.
Thank Dog the Dem twats blinked. They wouldn’t want to seem unreasonable to the crazy people. And maybe the Republitards will love them more!
Shorter Shitheads From Wisconsin:
We are going to save Medicare by destroying its ability to keep costs down and thus make it more expensive than ever.
Which leads us to this 2012 campaign slogan;
A $1500 food processer in every insurance executive’s kitchen!
Our senior’s can only hold out hope that hollandaise sauce is found to be a cure for all cancers.
And this is surprising how? Well, thank goodness the Democrats have a visionary leader with the backbone to stand up to the reactionary wankers in his own party and push back against these unacceptable sell-outs of core Democratic valu… say, what? Oh, right. Obama drawing a line in the sand and stand up for anyone but his millionaire donors/BFFs has never happened and probably never will, except in his pandering-to-librul-wet-dreams campaign speeches. Too bad, that.
I’m so angry I could just shit. I wrote a letter to Harry Reid this morning to tell him that if the Dems let this happen I’d leave the party…a party I’ve worked for and been a member of for over thirty years.
I’ve supported Obama even though, if he’s a Liberal, he’s pretty fucking bad at it. I worked, I hoped, I dreamed…and now the Dems are turning into pro choice Republicans. Fuck ‘em all.
Why Ron Wyden is sucking up to that worthless Randroid, I’ll never know.
More on Mister Ryan, here:
He did it earlier in “the health care debate” with Robert Bennett (R-UT). Apparently Bennett’s peeps didn’t like him playing with the enemy because he didn’t make it out of his next primary.
For what it’s worth, our progressive radio station here in OR is giving Wyden plenty of shit this morning….
The sell outs are all coming at once. First, it’s the Defense appropriations bill which magically will not be vetoed. Then it’s the millionaires tax surcharge. Next will be the SOPA bill.
You really get the sense of a “hurry last chance” looting by politicians and lobbyists…. like they know shit is going to fall apart soon enough.
“pro choice Republicans”
Awesome.
You know, in 2008 I believed. Really I did. Many convinced me Obama wasn’t just an empty suit. And for a long time I was swept up in the euphoria of his election. I understood that change comes slow and I was willing to give him time, the benefit of the doubt, my vote.
I’m just bitter now. And cynical. And I feel helpless. I’ll just get mine while I can although with an underwater home mortgage and eight years of college expenses staring at me, I doubt I’ll ever “get mine.” On the other hand, I’m sure my golden years living in a car and eating cat food will be lovely.
Cue Yorkshiremen: “we used to *dream* of living in a car and eating cat food…”
So you really believed that a Democrat was going to bring about fundamental change?
Please, don’t start that…
Why not? They’ve been doing that to Medicaid for years now and it’s enriched the insurance and hospital corporations….they have a model.
Time for a “tax holiday” for taxpayers to stop supporting this government…..if one can call it that.
I understand from outlines of the proposal that the neediest will pay less while the wealthiest will pay more — unlike the present Medicare-single-payer one-size-fits-all. What’s wrong with that happening, other than it won’t happen until 2022 (MMXXII). Isn’t ten years plenty of time to tweak and form a more perfect union? Maybe that should read ‘Aren’t ten years…’.
It won’t apply to current Medicare subscribers, only those who turn 65 in 2022, unless existing Medicare subscribers volunteer to opt in.
Like anyone here, I love the smell of panic in the morning.
Repeating a post of mine from a previous thread:
Et tu, Ron Wyden?
The only upside I see from this and actions like is that it could provide a boost to Rocky Anderson’s Justice Party.
Few people realize that the homely backbencher Wyden actually MADE Obama’s crappy health care law; he slithered in with his own “proposal” back when at least a public option was still possible. And look what happened. Now he’s on to phase 2, along with Ryan. Color me surprised.
Primary Ron Wyden! It’s extremely convenient that he is up for reelection in 2012. Or perhaps not, as all of that “Free Speech” is going to serve him very well…
Hag, you know the public option was “just a sliver.”
Who the fu_k do the Democrats represent??? Oh, right, the 1%ers. Spinless pricks.
Of course I know; I always say that about pie, since I watch my figure. But I still loathe that Wyden character. I’m with nonplussed above: primary the geek. (I think he isn’t up until 2014, though…)
Hard to believe you’re still belong to the party of Wimpocrats. They are completely worthless, unless of course your a 1%er with a conscious.
You’ll have to buy my new cookbook that’s coming out in time for the 2012 election, “1,000 Delicious and Nutritious Ways to Prepare Grass Clippings”
Obama sucks. The Democrats suck. There is no surprise in hearing that they are rolling over, they never were serious anyway. Their golf and yacht club buddies and sponsors would be upset.
I detect some dissatisfaction here. That’s good. But, to make it count, you must take the next step and commit to not voting for quisling traitor Obama or any other traitor Democrat. Vote for anyone else, but not these master bait-and-switchers. If they get away with their blatancy at this level, they will never do any better for the People in the future. Why would they?
The discussion over which of the two parties succeeds at being worse at functional government won’t last too much longer — think about it. The US Congress for example has never had lower public approval ratings or less credibility with the general public. Our last President finished with Nixon-esque approval and credibility, and the current President has lost his public mandate despite entering office with awesome popularity and public faith backing him.
Again, The Congress of The Great Big United States has (last I saw) <10% approval. This is a non-partisan consensus view of the population of the Congress as a governing body. Your average level III sex offender could probably make a case about his bad childhood and get a more sympathetic response from the public.
Oh Jesus. Fucking. Christ. Not again…
Dissatisfaction is not an excuse for political suicide.
If you think not voting for Obama and getting one of those clowns who are on Fox right debating will improve things … well, that’s just fucking retarded. And, yes yes, spare me the “doing the same thing over and over is insanity” lecture. At the end of the day you have a choice between bad and worse. That’s what elections in America always come down to…
Good, He deserves it for this kind of game-playing.
Great bumper sticker. (I kid, I kid.)
Yeah, right.
It’s a concoction of every damned non-working idea that the Rs have had in the last thirty years.
WTF Wyden thinks it’s a good idea is something that he should explain, preferably on live TV.
That’s what keeps the Democrats going!
It could also be true that the Democrats, if they lost the presidential race to one of the clowns on Fox “debating”, because of marginal losses to dissatisfied informed people (see: Firedoglake) they might decide to pay more attention in the future to the dissatisfied informed people.
It’s like that with corrupt power brokers and mafia-like political parties — they don’t respond to entreaties, and they use suffering martyrs over and over again happily. You have to present them with a credible threat to their position to get them to respond to you (see: why organized crime takes police seriously) and that credible threat in the case of the Democrats now requires a fait accompli – the loss of a major election of importance to them as a result of pissed off liberals and leftists.
Yeah, but they no longer bother caring about disapproval. We may know who we want to vote against, but who do we vote for?
Besides, one of the points you made in your own writing (vis-a-vis political suicide) is that the Democrats are rolling over in a way that goes directly against mass public opinion. They are the ones committing political suicide.
I’d like to see the ‘Highball Party’. Motto: Lead, follow, get out of the way, or let the history train run over you. Highball!
Hell, used car salesmen have a better rep than Congress right now.
Not an easy answer: the American elections system does not produce meaningful, positive candidacies for the most part.
And in the case that I describe low turnout on a major election such as a presidential election resulting from pissed off liberals and leftists is the result of NOT voting at all.
It’s like this: two guys each have a gun pointed to your head. One looks different than the other. Both offer to blow your brains out. Which do you choose?
Both parties are busy committing political suicide. The GOP went batshit insane years ago, and they’ve talked the Ds into following them.
Oh, for Pete’s sake. Solely because of the Supreme Court, I, like almost all of us here, will hold my nose and vote for (I wish) the Kenyan anti-colonialist.
But I’d rather have a Republican than Wyden.
The car salesman are comparatively honest, and will at least give you a car for your money and time.
They’re not batshit insane – the politicians simply serve a radically different set of priorities than ours. They’re a foil of the plutocracy.
I guess I’d pick the one that looked better than Ron Wyden… Both?
I’d look for a way to not participate in getting shot.
You’re an inspirational thinker. No doubt about it. You used the words “insanity” and “retarded.” Pause to reflect. Last time I was here, you ridiculed me for being “old.” One of the advantages of those extra years is that I have heard your exact same argument and thought process repeated through that many more election cycles, and I see the progressively bad results it has yielded. Thirty years ago, nobody could have conceived that America would look like what it is now, citizen assassinations, uncharged disappearances, detention camps, drones up your asshole. We got here following your exact “lesser evil” philosophy. In you, all I see is fear of the unknown, fear of change. You’d rather stay in a proven abusive relationship than take your chances and break free. Rather pathetic.
Exactly!!
Such an option seems never to be available, though, sadly. I get closer to karenb and realitychecker each day, not by my own doing.
You’re only four years older than me, but I would have thought in those extra four years you might have figured out that the Republicans aren’t going to stop what they’re doing while we take a time out to rebuild our team over the next four to eight years into some vaguely “progressive” version in the mold of Alan Grayson or Russ Feingold.
I’ll take my “lesser evil” philosophy over your “we will rise up from the rubble truer and purer” pipe dream.
I’m late to this but I think this is just fucking evil and must be defeated. It is a trojan horse.
If 0 signs the defense appropriation act, I don’t see how you could call him a lesser evil. It doesn’t matter anyway, I’m not voting for him under any circumstances and your name calling will simply reinforce my choice. I simply do not see anything good for the 99% coming from a second 0 administration.
In the history of the U.S. there were people who dreamed of something better against all odds and worked to achieve it. They were inspirational and brave. You are not one of these people.
Really?
That’s some funky math yer pushin’
“You’re only four years older than me, . . .”
Now’s that’s an interesting fact to know, TBogg. The last time I was here was on October 26, in your Shot By A Peaceeeper post, when we were discussing this very issue, but with less Obama performance to evaluate than we have right now. You chose to argue thusly:
TBogg October 26th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
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Once again: Fuck off.
By your email address I’m guessing you were born in 1951 so I have to wonder how someone who is that old has managed to survive for so long being this childish and stupid.
TBogg October 26th, 2011 at 9:53 pm
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C’mon “realitychecker” come clean…
Who you gonna vote for and why?
Don’t hurt yourself there, oldtimer…
And,
TBogg October 26th, 2011 at 10:17 pm
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Nice dodge. Probably didn’t even break a hip…
So, after dismissing me for my age, and thereby encouraging your Orcs to do the same, it now turns out our ages are almost the same. Should I ask first whether you recognize this as a character defect, or should I ask first why you hate yourself?
I understand your point but when does it get to the place where Obama has gone over the line? If he signs up to NDAA, is that too far? and if he does go over some line, what do we do? He does not compromise, he caves IMO. It is going to be really interesting, win or lose, what he does next December with the Bush tax cuts.
Personally, I don’t care for the man. But I will wait it out and see what happens. For some folks around here, O has gone over more than one bright line. But there are truly lunatics on the other side. Sorry to ramble.
I don’t hate myself. I love myself.
You, on the other hand, I could do without…
Shit dude, you were ridiculed for all sorts of stuff by lots of peeps.
I said you must have Tourette Syndrome and you went fuckin’ apeshit…
For some it will only be when he declares war on Iran. It’s coming.
Therein lies the problem. does anyone believe that any of those folks on the stage tonight would not do that?
“Thirty years ago, nobody could have conceived that America would look like what it is now, citizen assassinations, uncharged disappearances, detention camps, drones up your asshole. We got here following your exact “lesser evil” philosophy. In you, all I see is fear of the unknown, fear of change. You’d rather stay in a proven abusive relationship than take your chances and break free.”
rc, very well said. Thank you. My experience and sentiments exactly.
“Quisling While You Work”: Thanks, T – at least we eternal flamers are starting to use the language required on these sons of Bushs! Great pre-frame!
“Nice dodge. Probably didn’t even break a hip.”
You don’t deserve to be taken seriously by any thinking person. I’m sure Jane would honor your request not to be front-paged.
Yeah, lots of people said lots of things. All fine, but attacking and dismissing someone for their age, as with any other immutable physical characteristic, is never fair play, and does not pass for logical argumentation. Most especially, a thinking person might say, when it turns out you are of the same age, give or take a few moments, but don’t reveal that fact.
As to your comment, it didn’t drive me apeshit, it drove me to dismiss you as a moron, which you still are, and which I still do.
Is this post supposed to encourage us to vote Democratic or just to point out what a bunch of shits they are. Which is the lesser evil?
“quisling while you work”
(“just sing a happy tune”)
funny, and clever, as hell, tbogg!
Whoa, I was much more ascared 30 years ago: Al I’m in charge’ Haig, SOS; Caspar Weinberger, SOD; Wm. Casey, DOCIA; James ‘Jim’ Baker, COS; NSA adviser John Poindexter, the Godfather of datamining and ‘total information awareness’; + Nancy & Ollie. Only them Iran-Contra hearings stopped them.
That’s interesting. Did any of them claim the right to assassinate you without due process, or disappear you indefinitely without charging you? Did they have mercenary armies at their disposal? Did they have the intrusive surveillance capabilities they have now? Did they have drones? No,they didn’t even dream of such things. So, why were you MORE scared then?
I agree those were awful people who wanted to do awful things, and they did do awful things, but compare what we have now to then. Nixon saying something like “It’s legal if the President says it is” was still something that shocked people. Now we have presidents of both parties creating the Unitary Executive. And Congress votes it into law. I’m not scared as much now as then only because I’m older.
What if everyone just stopped paying the private health insurance premiums? Put the money into that Republican health insurance savings account? I’m spending $1200/mo to get abused, slow-waked, stalled and declined on coverage anyway.
Maybe if we all stopped paying these private insurance premiums, the government would have no choice but to give us a single-payer system. If there’s one thing we can do as 99%ers, this would be the easiest one to go after. We’re gonna lose anyway, if we stay in the current game.
Hey, everyone should stop paying the insurance companies. They are parasites which obama has given the gift to. Go to the emergency room at your local hospital. They cannot refuse you treatment – thus far.
Dude, no offense, but NO ONE is rebuilding any team in this league.
They all serve the 1%, you know that.
The corporate fascists own and operate every facet of our government, military, and daily lives.
They own the presidency, the judiciary, SCOTUS, Congress. MIC.
They own and control the elections and electoral process.
They own the media.
The system as is allows no room for rebuilding any team that won’t serve the ones who own it all.
You know this, the evidence has been shown, it’s glaring in it’s light.
You can not petition the system with hope, there IS no hope within the system.
None.
Or did the recent indefinite detention act not catch your eye? Citizens V?
I dunna man, for such a clever writer/entertainer you seem to simply ignore the screwing of the constitution, the country, the masses in most of all regards.
The unmistakable, unavoidable, incontrovertible, and plainly obvious fucking reality all around we the people.
You just seem to ignore it.
I just don’t get that about you.
Why?
This system is fully corrupted top to bottom, it’s as bad as any other empires that came before, it’s failing the masses miserably, n I won’t even go all braided arm pits hippie on you about planetary depletions of fisheries, food stuffs, pollution, and global warming.
I can readily admit, this shit’s failing, badly.
You? Seem somewhat detached from these realities, in your political views at the least . . . why?
Quite the delightful thread. I’ll just go kill myself now.
Spot on. Reading the shit that comes out of tb on this site, in the comments as well as the posts, I have to wonder why they get front page status.
I have to wonder why you even bother reading/commenting…
Steve Novick should primary Wyden..Except Wyden has already wrought incredible damage..
You’re right, it’s a sideshow, It should be confined to a side-thread. Bathroom humor aficionados only. That’s TBoggs true genre. Unbelievable that any thinking person could have witnessed the last three months of police state suppression, with not a word from Obama, and still be willing to support the man in such a blindly devoted fashion.
I guess I lack the hysteria gene. So sue me.
So instead of talking about a hypothetical “reclaim the party” pipedream, who is going to be the next President if Obama doesn’t win?
More importantly, what will happen under that president?
Take your time. We’ll wait.
The figurehead ain’t the nautical item doing the steering.
Shit, the dude’s mentor was Lie-berman. Or Our Newt, as it were.