“gay fray”? Is that some sort of man-on-pig Latin for “gay”?

Dang I read that piece on Karen’s liaison with the doctor. That is just icky as my wife said. No wonder she’s so messed up.

Leave Santorum Alone!

Sorry, couldn’t resist.

No, yasee? Rick doesn’t hate gay people. He just thinks they’re destroying civilization:

You say, well, it’s my individual freedom. Yes, but it destroys the basic unit of our society because it condones behavior that’s antithetical to strong healthy families. Whether it’s polygamy, whether it’s adultery, where it’s sodomy, all of those things, are antithetical to a healthy, stable, traditional family.

As far as Karen’s relationship with a man old enough to be her grandfather, meh. Doesn’t matter. As to him being an abortion doctor, also doesn’t really matter. People do change their minds on things; she might be one of those folks who were fine with abortion in theory (or even in practice) until they had a child; those folks are out there, lots of them.

Really the most offensive part of her statement is the lie that her husband is being hated on by teh gheys because he opposes same-sex marriage, which she knows is a lie. Lots of politicians have publicly voiced opposition to same-sex marriage, including a lot of Democrats, and none of them have gotten the “Santorum” treatment. Rather, he’s especially despised in that he has tried to de-humanize gay people through, among other things, equating their sexual preference with beastiality. That goes way, way beyond a simple statement of opposing same-sex marriage, and Karen Santorum damn well knows it.

That was actually an interesting article, reading about how neither she nor Rick were particularly right-wing or religious until he ran for Congress and won, I wouldn’t be surprised if all this ultra right-wing religiousity were entirely an adaptation to discovering that he could win votes that way. Find a need and shill it, in other words. He’s probably a lot more like Romney than it seems.

Plus then you live the part and hang out with the people and it rubs off on you, and the line between genuine conviction and opportunistic role-playing ends up blurred beyond recognition and may actually be less important than we think it ever is anyway.

It reminds me of a book Vonnegut wrote called “Mother Night”. In fact I think I’m going to go reread it.

I find it interesting that a good Catholic girl like Karen Santorum could have a six-year affair with a man and, since birth control is Catholic-verboten, not end up pregnant. Particularly when, in 21 years married to Lil Ricky, she has managed to get knocked up eight times.

Is it wrong to speculate…?

Oh goody. Karen has come out to play. Hope it’s not too hot in that there kitchen you just walked into. Bless your heart.

It would be irresponsible not to speculate….

Especially given that one of things that can turn a formerly pro-choice woman rabidly anti-choice is the experience of having an abortion themselves, which is what I was hinting at with the “(or even in practice)” aside…

“Rick does not hate anyone. He loves them. What he has simply said is marriage shouldn’t happen.”

Oh, it’s a lot more than that Karen. Ricky is also on record as saying he would reinstate DADT if elected. I guess Ricky loves gays so much he wants to keep them out of harms way by not letting them serve in a combat zone.

Plus then you live the part and hang out with the people and it rubs off on you, and the line between genuine conviction and opportunistic role-playing ends up blurred beyond recognition and may actually be less important than we think it ever is anyway.

Bingo. It’s almost a subtler form of Stockholm Syndrome, with the skids greased by power and money.

Wow. That story is a stunner. Yeah, people change their minds. But to try to hide it…maybe that’s unfair, but I notice the Santorum campaign and the Santorums refused to comment for the article…

Like one of the commenters at Newsweek said, if they want to change their minds and live under the old rules, fine, but they need to shut up about how all the rest of us live.

That’s my biggest problem with little Ricky, that the point of his career seems to be to get elected so he can force the rest of us to live by his religious rules.

Foolish of them to decline comment, of course; now that this is out, if Rick gets any more momentum, he will have to answer questions about this.
I suppose the best way to go is to do a Gingrich – we confessed and were forgiven, so it doesn’t matter anymore.

Sudden and drastic volte-faces are also emblematic of an unsettled personality. Case in point: Julie Quist, the second wife of Minnesota’s own Rick Santorum, Allen Quist. Back in the day, she helped found the Amazon Bookstore in Minneapolis, one of the first lesbian bookstores in the country. Now she’s not only Allen Quist’s wife, she’s also Michele Bachmann’s go-to person and Karl Rove figure.

Yikes! Perhaps Karen should look up Jesus’ General to obtain the name of that man in Seattle who spanks people for money (with the Terrible Spatula of Redemption). He’ll set her straight in no time….

She is a Karl Rove figure or she has a Karl Rove figure? In either case she should seek professional care immediately.

Yes.

How ironic that on this day when we remember, and honor, one of the towering figures in our country’s struggle for peoples’ equality, there are those who still seek to deny fundamental civil human rights to members of our society.

Hmmmmmm. No, not ironic.

Tragic, really.

The “Find a need and shill it” approach might have explained The Frothy One’s first bit of success getting elected in Pennsylvania — but back then, he wasn’t at all the rabid Rick we’ve come to know and pity, and he won in a district that was anything but conservative. Lately, though, his assumed Victorian morals have marginalized him as a bible thumping freak with a fringe following in the Mouthbreather Belt of Middle America — if his moral compass is really so pliable, you’d have thunk he would have read the writing on the wall and (yet again) reinvented himself. But perhaps he has at long last peddled his lies and venom to the point where he genuinely believes it all?

was she trolling for a threesome there?

That stuff (santorum, sensu Savage) is definitely a biohazard. Touching it without gloves is not a good idea.

“I wouldn’t be surprised if all this ultra right-wing religiousity were entirely an adaptation to discovering that he could win votes that way.”

People in PA know that he was Not always a Religious-zealot-nutjob — and the logic goes to until he got to DC and was “Recruited” by The Family. He always had a big ego and I suspect that the Religious-zealot-nutjob Groups offered him “Great Power and Money” so he went with it, and then drank too-much of the Power-Crazy-Religious-zealot-nutjob kool-aid.

Someone I know who worked on his senate campaign said that the wifey Karen was not a very happy person. Now after reading about her past affair, it seems she seriously traded-down with the Rick Blah guy.

it seems she seriously traded-down with the Rick Blah guy.

My thoughts, exactly. From travelling the world, hanging out with interesting, educated people, learning new thiings (piano playing!)…to having eight babies and playing adoring Stepford wife to froth nutjob Rick.
Yuck.

Understand people whose sexuality differs from yours? Countenance religious ideas that are out of the mainstream? Help others who aren’t as well off?

Those things require work and hard thinking. And you don’t have to do any of them if you subscribe to the dominant religion/morality package! Tell yourself poor people deserve it because they’re lazy, that helping them really hurts them, and you’re not only taking the easy way out, you’re also being more moral, by the lights of the Right!

I mean. What a stroke of luck for them, that the most moral thing to do is also the easiest, and the one that lets you keep all your money. Gosh, they’d be fuzzy-headed fools not to jump for it.

These people aint no pretend bigots. Hating gays is their one common denominator.

The conservative protestant variety are praying to jesus to eradicate the jesuits and Hagee Dominionists along with the muslims if they get us into a war with Iran, God will protect Israel, but God doesn’t say shit about the USA.

Quiverful and The Patriarchy Movement are Products of Rome and Deception (2 videos start automatically)

The christofascist punditocracy might be telling them to coalesce around Santorum but they wont. Santorum is party of the Satanic Knights of Malta.

Pragmatic Backman’s former church:

From the WELS “Doctrinal Statement on the Antichrist“:

Since Scripture teaches that the Antichrist would be revealed and gives the marks by which the Antichrist is to be recognized, and since this prophecy has been clearly fulfilled in the history and development of the Roman Papacy, it is Scripture which reveals that the Papacy is the Antichrist.

Seeking to better understand WELS theology and how voters should regard it, [Catholic Deacon Greg Kandra] called the Rev. Marcus Birkholz of Salem Lutheran Church in Stillwater. When I identified myself, he hung up.

Uncertainty@6, well said. To some degree, this story probably applies to all of us. Freud was on to something: the pathologies of the very sick tell us a lot about the relatively healthy, too. But this does look very sick. I took note of her alienation from her own natal family (large, Catholic) at least during her “sinful” years. Not suggesting anything melodramatically problematic there (e.g., sexual abuse or something), but you wonder about severe familial disfunction. A young woman, radically alienated from her own family who lives with a man 40 years her senior. When that relationship ends, she quickly finds a man more her own age, and together they fetishize “family”. Whatever his reasons, hers (in some broad sense) would seem pretty clear, to “correct” or to “compensate for” her own f-ed up upbringing.
Dr. mch will shut up. Thanks for indulging me what may be crap!

My sense is that she may have been at first but once she realized Ricky wouldn’t go for it, she shelved the idea.

Aren’t Santorum’s and Obama’s positions on gay marriage the same?

C’mon Michelle, let’s here your thoughts. Don’t let this PA redneck get the best of you.

She took it up the butt? I’m serious.

Maybe Karen was pro-choice and pro-birth control when it was illegal, but then when it became legal it lost its appeal to her. Maybe she is fighting to make it illegal to make it fun again. Maybe she married ManOdog, because coaxing the jizz out of that closet case was a challenge. Maybe Santormentum and hating gays is trying to put the old-timey fun of possibly being beat up any time you leave a queer bar back in being gay. Maybe its just about adding spice back to life. It could just be that she likes having outsider views and loves pain and humiliation. It would explain why she has 8 santorum-babies.

Sadomasochism is a hell of a drug.

Ghastly. No snark – just, ghastly. Really.

All of the ways she could have had sex without babies are of course verboten by the RCC in which she was brought up and to which she returned after her seven-odd years of freedom. (The rhythm method doesn’t count as that simply doesn’t work even if you follow it, ahem, religiously, which most folks can’t and don’t.)

Maybe Karen was pro-choice and pro-birth control when it was illegal, but then when it became legal it lost its appeal to her.

Since she was born in 1960, that means Griswold would have been when she was 5 and Roe when she was 13.

Getting super freaky in middle school, I suppose… or would it be wrong to speculate?

It would be wrong not to.

Frothy tries (unsuccessfully) to separate the gay person from the gay act. How does that work? If you separate the hetero person from the hetero sex act, whaddya have? How does one separate a dog from barking? Frankly, this kind of thing makes my head ache.

How can Frothy make the separate arguement? Its just defies reason. All the while the media asks the “gay question” and all the while the media accepts whatever they are told.

So gay people are great, until they want to have secks, then things go off the rails badly. Got it.

Interesting. I, too, had heard that Santorum wasn’t always a hugely religious bigoted nutjob, and I, too, figured that once Doug Coe’s “Family” got their hooks in him, Santorum was quite ready to take the money & run.

Interesting to read about Karen’s much more sophisticated past.

It’s true that people DO genuinely & honestly change their minds, their lifestyle choices, their so-called “values,” etc, all the time. And so Karen might be genuine in her current “viewpoints.”

That’s all well & good until Karen & Icky Ricky decide to RAM said “viewpoints & values” down everyone else’s throats.

I don’t really give a sh*t what anyone else “believes” until they start telling me that I gotta believe the same sh*t… OR ELSE!

That’s where I got a problem with this pair of grifting hucksters.

My money’s on the side that they’ve “switched teams” bc they figured that Icky Ricky could potentially “win” more elections that way, but more importantly it put them right onto the rightwing gravy train. This duo has made damn good ‘n sure that they rip off lots of the “small people” with their “charity.”

Dissing teh gheys (amongst other no-nos) is just a rightwing dog whistle that enure$ to their financial benefit. The end.