
Roy has an interesting post up about how Charles “Coloreds Is Dumb” Murray has moved on from explaining why white people are superior to the dusky races and how now Murray is trying to instigate Whitey class war by pointing out that chain-smokin’ cheap-beer-drinkin’ NASCAR-watchin’ God-botherin’ lunchpail-totin’ gone-fishin’ crap-TV zombies are real Americans and those who don’t do any of those things are effete communist space aliens who have invaded America because Mars Needs Arugula. Or something like that.
Roy, his own badself, took Murray’s How Thick Is Your Bubble pop quiz to gauge whether he is a real ‘Murican or just some snotty East Coast book-larnin’ elitist.
Well, Murray’s been making the rounds, as has a quiz from his book which is supposed to tell you “How Thick Is Your Bubble” — that is, how isolated you are from the real down-home white America that Murray thinks needs redemption. Among the questions: “Have you ever had a close friend who was an evangelical Christian?” “How many times in the last year have you eaten at one of the following restaurant chains? Applebee’s, Waffle House,” etc., and “Have you ever watched an Oprah, Dr. Phil, or Judge Judy show all the way through?”
Nonetheless I scored 63, as many of the questions had to do with low birth, manual labor, cheap beer, and stupid shit on TV and at the multiplexes, notwithstanding that I have become over the years a hoity-toity scribbler.
Fortunately for Roy, by rolling up that impressive 63 (A first- generation middle-class person with working-class parents and average television and moviegoing habits. Range: 42–100. Typical: 66), he won’t be rounded up by the Tea Party Freedom Troopers of Liberty & Jesus (following a dramatic yet slow speed Rascal chase) and placed in a reeducation camp where he will be whacked unconscious with a SlimJim due to his inability to make the connection between the number 3 and Dale Earnhardt Sr. (may American Jesus bless his terminated Terminator soul).
I, on the other hand, will not be so lucky.
Intrigued to find out how white, salt of the Earth, middle-class American I am perceived to be by Murray (what with his plainspoken flyover country Harvard & MIT ways) I took The Bubble Challenge and, well, …. 21.
It would appear that I am Cornel West.
The saving graces that kept me from getting a zero thereby condemning me to a life of solitary confinement, or worse … sent to Indiana (shudder!), was the fact that I own a pick-up truck, I knew who Jimmie Johnson was (mainly because he owns a Chevy dealership in San Diego), I lettered in two sports in high school, I’ve been to Dennys, I have some dumb friends, and I’ve seen a few dumb movies (probably with my dumb friends). Oh, and I knew what Branson was (White Trash Mecca, y’all).
Murray explains how I failed to be white enough and American enough:
The scoring of the archetypes reflects a few realities about socio-economic background and the bubble.If you grew up in a working-class neighborhood, you are going to have a high score even if you are now an investment banker living on Park Avenue. Your present life may be completely encased in the bubble, but you brought a lot of experience into the bubble that will always be part of your understanding of America.
Oddly enough, I did grow up in a working-class neighborhood that could even be called lower middle-class. And by ‘working-class’, I mean families where the father held a union job or worked in aerospace (like my dad did and not as an engineer; he received his high school equivalency in his thirties). Remember those jobs? Yeah, Republicans are killing them as you read this. More importantly, in my case, I failed to avoid the smarty-pants bubble despite the fact that I don’t have a college education. So where did I go wrong?
Going back over Murray’s test it seems that by not smoking or drinking cheap-ass beer (or, in my case, drinking alcohol at all which automatically makes me suspect provided I’m not a Mormon), not belonging to a men’s club, not coming home from work “sore” (although I worked as a roofer for years and don’t remember coming home sore. Tired, yes. Sore, no) not marching in a parade, not wearing a uniform or having any evangelical friends (doesn’t having dumb friends cover this?) I am somehow missing out on the American experience.
Many of the members of the new upper class are balkanized. Furthermore, their ignorance about other Americans is more problematic than the ignorance of other Americans about them. It is not a problem if truck drivers cannot empathize with the priorities of Yale professors. It is a problem if Yale professors, or producers of network news programs, or CEOs of great corporations, or presidential advisers cannot empathize with the priorities of truck drivers. It is inevitable that people have large areas of ignorance about how others live, but that makes it all the more important that the members of the new upper class be aware of the breadth and depth of their ignorance
To my knowledge, sociologists haven’t gotten around to asking upper-middle-class Americans how much they know about their fellow citizens, so once again I must ask you to serve as a source of evidence by comparing your own experience to my generalizations. This time, I have a twenty-five-question quiz for you to take. I hope it will serve two purposes: first, to calibrate the extent of your own ignorance (if any); second, to give you a framework for thinking about the ignorance that may be common in your professional or personal circles, even if it doesn’t apply to you.
Obviously I’m not a “Yale professor, or producer of network news programs, or CEO of great corporations, or presidential adviser” or even close to a member of the upper class even though I test out as one on the Charles Murray Scale of Broad Generalizations That Will Prove My Point, And I Do Have One, but I could tell those who are that they won’t learn much from a bunch of poor people sitting around smoking and drinking and watching NASCAR that they don’t already know. That what people want in this life is a job they can depend on, a house they can call home, a family that is well fed, good health, a safe place for their kids to play, some time off, a buzz every now and then, and some mindless entertainment to fill the gaps in between.
You would think that Murray’s book is an attempt to get through to the elitists (particularly the CEO’s and presidential advisers) to maybe possibly spend some time in sober reflection about how to make these basic amenities once again attainable and then make it happen. It certainly sounds that way. Well, no. Not at all. Murray’s prescription, as outlined by upper-class twat Niall Ferguson, is for the high achievers/low scorers to tell everyone to pull up those saggy pants, comb your hair, quit making bastard babies, straighten up and fly right:
Murray meticulously chronicles and measures the emergence of two wholly distinct classes: a new upper class, first identified in The Bell Curve as “the cognitive elite,” and a new “lower class,” which he is too polite to give a name. And he vividly localizes his argument by imagining two emblematic communities: Belmont, where everyone has at least one college degree, and Fishtown, where no one has any. (Read: Tonyville and Trashtown.)
The key point is that the four great social trends of the past half-century–the decline of marriage, of the work ethic, of respect for the law and of religious observance–have affected Fishtown much more than Belmont. As a consequence, the traditional bonds of civil society have atrophied in Fishtown. And that, Murray concludes, is why people there are so very unhappy–and dysfunctional.
What can be done to reunite these two classes? Murray is dismissive of the standard liberal prescription of higher taxes on the rich and higher spending on the poor. As he points out, there could hardly be a worse moment to try to import the European welfare state, just as that system suffers fiscal collapse in its continent of origin.
What the country needs is not an even larger federal government but a kind of civic Great Awakening–a return to the republic’s original foundations of family, vocation, community, and faith.
And nothing will quite unite this once great country of ours like having the moneyed classes telling the Poors they they can’t have any help until they get on the good foot with Jesus while our upper-class Galtian overlords develop newer and better financial instruments and loopholes with which to vacuum up all the dough and, besides, the Poors have no skin in the game.
Hmmph. Poor white people – can’t live with them … can’t pit them against the Browns anymore.
Not that they won’t use Murray’s entire oeuvre to try, you understand…
(Added) UncertaintyVicePrincipal sums up the whole dignity of work conundrum:
As far as I understand it, having a proper work ethic now means working at three jobs so Mitt Romney can work at none.
I think we’ve gone from “Calvinist Work Ethic” to “Calvinball Work Ethic” in just a few decades.
Also. Too. After additional reflection it occurred to me that since I was once a union member (Screen Actors Guild represent, yo) I should be awarded additional valuable points good for prizes (gun rack, pleez) and authenticity but, alas, we had no union hall. Now I know how the homeless feel….



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All his words written to protect a 4 percent tax cut given to rich people 10 years ago. Salt of the Earth Real ‘Merkins making more than $200k a year.
Free speech zones, loyalty oaths, and now purity tests.
Go, Go, Gonzo Conservatives.
My first guess was, Jimmie Johnson=”DYNO-MITE!”. Wait, that was Jimmie Walker. Good Times!
I’ve long felt that this country would turn things around quickly and well if we would only start burning witches again.
Murray:
Really? Of course, Murray stacks the elitist deck with his favorite villain face cards, but I’d argue that insofar as the so-called elites worry about issues like good governance and sustainable economic models, it has indeed been a problem that “truck drivers” care more about whom they’d like to have a beer with, who loves Jeebus the most, etc.
I sure hope that at the series finale you’re going to reveal your secret identity with pictures and autobiography and stuff, because these teasers are cruel.
I was driving across country and stumbled on Branson by accident, having no idea of its existence. It was sort of like if there was a Twilight Zone theme park.
Getting sent to Indiana, eh? We want you to know that we have a bunk in a labor camp in Porter County waiting just for you…kidding. Seriously, there are a lot of people in my fair state – as elsewhere – who you’d swear would be hard pressed to fog a mirror, even with that whole mouth breathing thing they do. They would max out this test, no question; good people that you’d like to have to have a beer with…not. For one thing, a lot of them aren’t all that big on personal hygiene, especially that dental business, plus a lot of them are dumb mean motherfuckers with gun fetishes and even less wholesome interests. (Baaaah – sheep and meth, a truly bad combination.) It does cause one to wonder how often Murray has any of these salt-of-the-earth folks (you know…morons) to his house for dinner. Without subjecting them to a brain transplant, dental implants and a year of finishing school first, that is. But hey, making white trash feel good about themselves is no doubt a worthy cause, and nice work if you can get it. Besides, the more you make the rubes feel good, the less they notice that they’re getting fucked in the ass every day by the likes of Mitt Romney, with the likes of Newt, Little Ricky, Rush and the rest of the Mighty Wurlitzer Chorus telling them they ought to feel good and even grateful about it.
I truly despair sometimes when I consider my fellow citizens, as it makes me think of that line of George Carlin’s I read somewhere recently. Something about how stupid the average American is that you run into on the street, and then you think that half of all Americans are even stupider…
All I could picture while reading this was David Brooks, pencil in hand, desperate and in tears as he realized he was getting zero. His next column will be about it even so, after he consoles himself that in his imaginary alter ego as Populist Sociologist Racetrack Applebees Man, he scored 100.
In the GMTA category, it was only after my comment that I read Roy’s post:
In fact, since Brooks famously wrote about “Applebee’s salad bars”, and Applebee’s doesn’t have any salad bars, it’s pretty clear that he hasn’t ever actually been to one. But thinks he has, in superhero mode.
I can’t imagine that many Republicans (AKA Real ‘Muricans) would have the attention span to take a test with that many words.
Okay, somebody better alert Jeff Foxworthy that Murry is infringing on his “you might be a redneck if..” schtick.
Copyright and trademark lawsuits might be needed; but I think a “steel cage death match” on PPV would be more true to their vision of America.
I scored a 55 and yet the category of Murray’s that best describes me is “A second-generation (or more) upper-middle-class person who has made a point of getting out a lot”.
Sweet description of guns-before-butter-land except, apparently, Indiana isn’t hip to blue tarps.
I can set you up!
“…a return to the republic’s original foundations of family, vocation, community, and faith.”
And put them damn kids to work!
Seriously, why always with the fetishism of the past? Things did NOT used to be better.
I know that when push comes to shove, I can rely on Niall Ferguson for his expert advice concerning 19th century German monetary policy.
Trust me, there are blue tarps a-plenty, and while guns may come before butter, judging from the looks of the local Walmart denizens there’s lots of butter to go around.
TBogg is Cornell West?
Aaaahhhhh….It all makes sense to me now.
Then again, according to Mr. Murray, I, a poor whitebread boy from Left Coast Canuckistan (who once lived in Oakland), am actually….
….Bootsy Collins!
(even if all my axes are acoustics)
Wooooooohoooooooooo! 48! Extra point for riding teh Greyhound (‘cept it was a Continental Trailways bus, not nearly as upscale.)
Ferguson:
So, right-wingers Merkel, Sarkozy, Draghi and Cameron impose harsh austerity measures on Europe as championed by right-winger Ferguson and others, this plunges the economies deep into double-dip recession instead of recovery, and the conclusion? It’s the fault of the European “welfare state”!
There’s the Shock Doctrine in a nutshell.
As Krugman has described in great detail recently, the US hasn’t done quite as badly as Europe in the last couple of years mostly because we engaged in at least some Keynesian stimulus measures, which offset the harsh austerity being insisted on by the right.
Um, best I can make out, I got an 8.
Did he model this on the quizzes in some teen mag (“Which adorable purse dog should you get?”)? I’ve never seen a “quiz” that was easier to game. As a scholarly exercise, it’s on par with the rest of the think-tank-dominated RWNJ academy…
Dang!! 41!
Because I did in fact work a factory job and did in fact come home sore and did in fact go to union meetings. And I drove through Branson once.
22! I must be Cornell West’s teaching assistant. If only you could score points for having family that’s been on Oprah. In that case I’d at least be inching toward Real American status.
59!
So please don’t send me to Indiana! (Especially rough punishment for a Kentucky native)
Many of the members of the new upper class are balkanized. Furthermore, their ignorance about other Americans is more problematic than the ignorance of other Americans about them….. It is a problem if Yale professors, or producers of network news programs, or CEOs of great corporations, or presidential advisers cannot empathize with the priorities of truck drivers.
Oh, Charles. I’m not sure that word means what you think it means. Or, at minimun, you are using it in the wrong context. Ignorance isn’t something the robber barons exhibit, it’s their tool of choice for building a neo-feudalistic society. Keeping the peasants ignorant of this intent – and enlisting the aid of fools like you to perpetuate it – is the great con of modern capitalism. Once you comprehend that, let me know, and then I’ll explain the whole empathy thing to you.
After that, I can help ghost write your next book, tentatively titled Why Charlie Hates the Chocolate Factory ‘Cept For the White Pieces With Coconut Inside.
And of course anyone watching television these days knows that the problem with it is that it’s geared toward snooty over-educated elites. Why, you can’t swing a possum without hitting yet another prime-time literary discussion hosted by Dick Cavett or high-level analysis of current events by Edward R Murrow.
And CEOs, don’t get me started. It’s all one big Saks Fifth Avenue wasteland out there, where are the stores for the people who prefer a more giant tub-o-socks or cheese-topping-in-a-fifty-gallon-drum kind of product? These places don’t exist!
What an interesting quiz! The underlying assumptions this guy makes are really fascinating. So, anyway, I grew up in the country of poor, but honest, upper-middle-class parents (academic Dad, housewife mom), and now live in a large urban area in a poor, but somewhat less honest part of the city. My score ended up being 43. I admit my score was a little bit warped because I don’t watch movies and TV any more, not being able to afford cable or expensive outings that don’t involve Chinese food, and not having a TV that gets the new digital signal. To call me “upper middle class” is a clear sign that something is wildly out of whack there – by my estimation I’m a rung above “working class”, holding on by my fingernails. If a household income of about $45K with 2 kids makes me “upper middle class”, then all that baloney about $250K being the real middle class can’t be right. My estimation of my position is “first-generation lower-middle class child of upper middle class parents”. I’m not sure what he’s calling a “bubble” here; my house has been broken into twice, the neighborhood has almost as many ‘for sale’ signs as ‘ADT’ signs,we have police helicopter flyovers that come right over my block 4 or 5 nights a week, but at least now that one of the two area gangs has won the battle over us, the gunfire has dropped down to mostly just weekends, and no more auto-weapon and high-powered rifle fire. Mostly just big handguns (the 9mm Glocks appear to have been largely replaced by .44 or .50 Desert Eagles and that ilk). Also, we haven’t had a drug raid in my block for over a year now. Nice quiet, 1950s-vintage detached ranchers “suburb” with 1/4-acre treed lots we have, too. Seems to me I’m pretty much Real American, at least when it comes to city living.
So, then, the interesting bit came when I took it in the persona of that bane of the Tea Party, the “urban black”. I admit I had to guess at a couple of answers, since my associates among the support staff here have not told me their entire life stories in detail, but I think I’m within a standard deviation here. My score for that came to 70. Good solid, Real American “salt of the Earth” stuff. Of course, nowadays work in large parts of this area revolves less around the factory floor and more around the street corner, but it still involves being on your feet all day and frequently being sore at the end of the day. Sometimes all over! I was amused that he put so much weight on ‘factory work’ and ‘union/Kiwanis’ membership. Talk about not getting out much! You couldn’t ask for a clearer example of living in a bubble than making up this quiz.
An intertubes test that I do not click on the answer and it tabulates the resultimifcations for me? I’m a American, I don’t do tests that don’t do half the work for me.
(Ferguson, not Murray — same diff…)
??? Is he kidding? The decline of the work ethic? The work ethic that has seen gigantic increases in worker productivity with no concurrent increase in worker compensation (because the banksters et al. are all stealing it)? The decline of religious observance in lower-class communities — the ones with the humongous megachurches?
Murray and Ferguson ought to be yoked together permanently, along the lines of Burke & Hare — mental grave robbers; the graves being those of learning, empathy, and common humanity.
Whoo-whee! Murray is giving Snowbilly Snooki a run for the redneck fellatio gold medal.
I own a week in a Branson timeshare that I always swap for a week in some civilized place (when affordable, which means not in the last several years). I wonder how that will skew the Dumbbell Curve.
As far as I understand it, having a proper work ethic now means working at three jobs so Mitt Romney can work at none.
I think we’ve gone from “Calvinist Work Ethic” to “Calvinball Work Ethic” in just a few decades.
Most excellent….and yeah, I’ve noticed this. of course, in my case I figured out a few years back that you shouldn’t die for the corporation, because the corporation sure as shit isn’t going to die for you.
Also. Too. I needs me some Shakira…I wanna be sedated, and something about that particular work of art always soothes me.
Wow. Wow. Wow.
62 points but I would have been in the 90s if Murray hadn’t been such an asshole about what you drive, eat or watch on TV.
Just like all of his other crap, he assumes that everyone who grows up poor, rural/small town and has worked for a living is part of the Fox Nation. Clueless bastard assumes that everyone who leaves for the big city is either gay or immediately joins a church that meets in catacombs.
Woo hoo! I done got me a 62! I’s a real Munkin! Ain’t that, like, a D minus or sup’m? U-S-A! U-S-A!
Because I didn’t hang out with people who smoke cigarettes, I lost points? Oh, only if I had gone to a bar in the past month! And I gave myself two points for buying mass-market domestic regional beer. You can pry my Gennesee or Yuengling out of my refreshingly cold, dead hands!
What a colossal load of right-wing elitist crap. Nothing says “out of touch with American values” like writing a book that self-confirms your own condescending views of what “real America” is. Tom Friedman’s imaginary cab driver friend is the new standard.
A 34 for me, so I IZ BE ELITIST!
Dumbass quiz: “What does the word Branson mean to you?”
Me: A place where stupid rednecks and/or old people watching horrible shows by has-beens and never-will-bes at night while spending their days getting their wallets raped at Steal Your Dollar City.
Other odd things (other than the quiz in general):
He gives the same points for lettering in band that he does lettering in sports. I’m sure that will come as a surprise to band geeks, as they weren’t exactly on equal footing with the jocks most of the time (except those of us in drumline, which was totes cool).
If being poor, drunk, and stupid is what America is all about, then the public is a battered spouse and the GOP is just doing what’s best for them … “and so sorry, baby, about the black eye and ruptured internal organs that are the economy. But we only did it because we love you … ”
He rewards people for knowing and/or being complete fucking morons. So +1 to him for finally admitting the truth: The GOP is where willful ignorance and clinical stupidity get you cushy gigs and Don’t Think Much Tanks.
Pressed for time, so am skipping the comments for later…I read Lawyers, Guns and Money’s post and comments on this late last night…had me literally laughing so hard tears were flowing. The commenters on that thread rival TBogg’s comments.
TBogg doesn’t have a degree? Hmmm, maybe that explains why he writes so
welldeliciously…I presume I will be forced to see Murray on my tv sometime soon, so this thread is going to keep on giving for awhile.
Hmm. Are we back to the 80′s, or maybe 90′s? Murray, like the Salamander, is another dangerous fool I thought we’d seen the last of.
Hey, you talkin’ bout Oolitic? My man!
Well, not really, I grew up in Indianapolis, long ago, and my first husband was from Bedford…but the descriptions are scarily familiar…tho’ I believe Bedford has gone more upscale since then.
All right, I will confirm Murray’s thesis by saying…we never locked our car in Bedford when all it had in the back seat was books (which was usually); my ex used to say, “they won’t get stolen, when we come back we’ll find more of ‘em!”
Yes, we got the hell out of Indiana after college – ex in fact got a grad fellowship to -waitforit – MIT. Why do you ask?
Could be Oolitic, or Redkey, or Richmond or Bedford for that matter. Indianapolis (parts) and Bloomington (mostly) are much the same as my friends in Atlanta describe their fair city – an oasis in a sea of redneck brutes and shitkickers. I’ve lived in Indianapolis (north side) most of my life and it has its share and more of these folks, depending on where you are in the city. I understand that they’re being rounded up and confined to local Motel 6s starting Monday, so as not to offend and/or terrify Super Bowl visitors.
I can assure you that Bedford has not gone upscale; it may have a few more suburbs, strip malls and Starbucks but there’s a hell of a lot more meth. With all it brings in its wake, like shooting at cars on the highway under the misapprehension that they are beady-eyed monsters (kind of like meth heads). I know this will come as a surprise and no doubt disappointment…
No, no, not really. Thanks for the update. I gather from mutual friends that my ex doesn’t visit much…no relatives left in Bedford anyway. HS friends moved to Bloomington or farther.
North Side Indy – that was my territory, too. 42nd & Sherman, 40th St & Emerson. Funny thing…my dad was mid-level white collar at the time, as were several neighbors, but what with Facebook and internet reunions, I’ve since discovered that most of my friends and classmates were, in fact, blue-collar, if what your dad did (most moms weren’t working for pay) determines it. Lots of workers at Allison and other manufacturing jobs (which were then still plentiful).
Guess I should get my
asser typing fingers over to the site where the quiz is and see how high a score I can get.TBogg commenters rule!
Scored a 30, so suck on it, all you blue-collar high-school dropouts who smoked all their life, drank Schlitz, and supported a wife and four kids!
Oh, wait. I just described my father.
Furthermore, putting on my statistician’s hat, I can offer my professional opinion that this quiz would be handed back with a big red ‘F’ stamped on it.
6. Jeebus. That’s “006″, VI, SIX. I’m not white, I’m translucent.
Well yeah….just taking a wild guess, for starters the quiz isn’t being taken by anything resembling a random sample. Go figure.
Lol. Please, tell us about your uppity translucent self!
I finally took the quiz, after reading Roy’s piece and his comments.
43. I’m really quite disappointed. After all, I married a working-class guy (come to think of it, two of’em) and that wasn’t on the quiz. We owned several pickups (serially), lived for 17 years in neighborhoods quite clearly not populated largely by college grads, and I personally lived quite a long time in a town under 10,000 pop. Plus I’m damn poor, objectively. Lost points cuz I don’t drink beer and rarely go out to movies (hurts my injured neck to sit in what the P.T. called “spectator position”).
drat. I am pretty white, with an ethnic (married – subtract 1 pt)surname.
Well, it’s always good to know what the non-working elites such as our next ruler-to-be are thinking…but even better to read the judgments of such as TBogg and his glorious commenters. All of whom, btw, can write circles around Mr. elite-degree wingnut welfare queen Murray.
It’s all that “booga booga” music them young uns are listening to today. It’s the devils music I tell ya!
I scored a 33. After having lived the past 35 years in Arkansas, which means I would probably have scored zero if I lived anywhere else.
This, of course, means that I’m the elitEST. I’ve managed to be more elite than most people can ever dream of in a place where it’s almost impossible. Suck it, luzers!!!!
This test was too much for me. I had to end my year of lurking and register. I scored a 63 (my age!). If I watched TV at all, I would have scored higher. Murray’s bubble can just go POP. I’m not even on his scale.
I grew up in near poverty on a small (now-extinct) Wisconsin family dairy farm. My mother was an Okie right out of Grapes of Wrath. Working class neighborhoods were where the rich city kids lived, whose parents worked at the now-closed GM plant. Scholarships to college were the escape from that life for my siblings and me.
Baseballcomputer programming has been very, very good to me.I’m an example of the American dream – poverty to “upper middle class.” My college was paid for with “socialist” government scholarships. I have no qualms about paying my taxes and I am sickened by the unabashed greed of the Repugnican Party. The American dream will soon be distant memory, just like the GM plant, the small family farm, and my retirement fund.
Murray is the idiot in the cast iron bubble.
Welcome!
63 here, and his description, “a first-generation middle-class person with working-class parents and average television and moviegoing habits” is almost correct: my family was middle-class (if lower-mc) because my father worked in a factory. Murray forgets (or is glad to be rid of) the days when one can raise a family on a single manufacturing income.
To be true to his thesis, he should include negative points for those of us who disdain “reality” TV and NASCAR. Yes, I only got half credit for thinking Jimmie Johnson was the football guy. I guess my love of football and hatred of racing somehow makes me less of an American. If he only knew that I used to call mullets “NASCAR haircuts” he’d probably advocate stripping me of citizenship.
30 – an upper-middle class elitist who gets out a lot!! har
Most of the questions are really teh stooopit. The cig smokers I sometimes hang out with happen to all be extremely highly educated prof making a ton of buckeroo$$$. But they don’t drink Pabst or Schlitz. Same highly compensated/educated elitists and me also attend Rotary (me, not as much), where they/we tend – perish the thought – to do such elitist shit as pruning the non-native plants from the Torrey Pines estuary (TBogg’ll know where that is), or provide gifts and a party for the Encinitas women’s shelter (egad!).
I still ride a Greyhound bus sometimes from downtown San Diego to Oceanside (not exactly a long-distance journey, but I’ve done those in my youth both in the USA and in a boatload of third world countries), but I do know it would fill some of my country club Republican pals with utter horror to go on that cheap & quick journey. Guess I’m not so elitist after all. I also used to hitch hike quite a lot in youth, both here and abroad, but times wuz diff’rent then, and it was reasonably safe to do that. So… somehow that pushes me towards the alleged salt of the earth working class or something.
I would’ve been inclined to identify Branson with Richard (the Virgin king), except that I work (in one of my 2 jobs) with a number of “senior citizens,” who regularly visit Branson, MO, and tell me all about it. So I could figure out what this putz was getting at, which essentially is useless in terms of the alleged “purpose” of this quiz. Besides most of the golden agers that I know who go to Branson are actually rather well off, so how does that FIT??
Anyhoo, this quiz is really worthless, but that pretty much sums up the vast majority of useless rightwing idiots bleating out something-or-other about whatever-the-fuck in today’s so-called USA “society.”
“How Thick Is Your Bubble”
a.k.a. How White is Your Trash?
There’s little more pathetic than Repuke elites trying to cozy up to the working class by flattering their cultural tastes. Except perhaps for all the working class morons who fall for it and vote Repuke.
Who needs decent working conditions and paychecks and healthcare, GW Bush likes NASCAR, loves bombin’ brown people and talks jus’ like me!
Thank you all for the research and reports. No way am I touching it, not no how, never. Well, hardly ever; I did navigate to the site and started reading the introduction about the good old days when we all had the same experiences, like going to Paris and reading Plato in the original and … oh frevvinsake. Thanks again for saving me the time.
Oh come on – it’s not like TBogg reposted the Malkin video.
Take Murray’s quiz first
Shakira follows shortly
Virtual Cosmo!
/s/ 31
26. Not as elite as I hoped. I once went to Branson to laugh at it. I was on an assignment in MO within an easy drive. Went to the Bobby Vinton Blue Velvet Theater. Had to see it. I also went to the Precious Moments chapel, where biblical scenes are depicted with big-eyed Precious Moments characters. I’ll bet Murray has never heard of that. I also have a close evangelical friend who also disagrees with my politics. Lots of points there.
I’m a science professor at one of the top universities in the United States. Both of my parents have advanced degrees. I scored 77. Charles Murray is a goddamned imbecile. Actually, no. That’s unfair to imbeciles.
Sounds like an “art gallery” in Gatlinburg I wasted some time in when I was a kid and travelling with the ‘rents. My first intro to a “painting” with eyes “that follow you around the room.” (painting of Jeebus, of course)
That’s cause, of course, Murray has never actually gone to Branson himself.
I didn’t take the quiz, but I’m wondering if one of the questions was about knowing the definition of spear chucker, porch monkey, sand n**ger, bohunk, DP, dago, or food stamp president.
Everybody in my old neighborhood was conversant with every possible racial, ethnic or gender slur.
And none of them went to college.
Tbogg, a brilliant and, well, moving post. Thank you.
Oh, all right. 28. Bring on Shakira. I’ll succumb to groupthink because I need a break from w-o-r-k.
I wasted 10 minutes of my irreplaceable term on our blue planet on that exceedingly silly and Murray-referential thing, got a 37. But two things strike me particularly: first, he takes things like experiencing long-distance travel by bus or buying cosmetics from one particular mass-market company as somehow indicative or emblematic (or both) of the testee’s level of awareness of how Most of America lives.
Which is total useless bullshit as a method and about as related to reality as David Brooks’ ruminations about Wendy’s. Yes, I ONCE took a long distance Greyhound… back to Yale from Grand Central after Thanksgiving break. True I worked there rather than attended there, but there were gen-u-wine Brown and Harvard students on that bus. Why, it was straight out of “It Happened One Night”. And, yeah, I’ve hitchhiked. Because I was a hippie chick, and that’s what we did, in between going on peace marches and failing to revere Yahweh and having sex for fun.
And secondly, the quiz and its explanatory blurbs are rife with assumptions about the emotional attitudes of “elitists” – or “new upper middle class” people or whatever his terminology is – not just that they are ignorant about those whose incomes and tastes and opinions are not their own, but that they disdain them (Murray’s word). I guess that’s why the elitists are always yapping about collective bargaining rights and environmental safeguards and minimum wage laws, etc. Constant disdain makes you cranky.
You are a living example of the decline in higher education. /s
Huh?
If being an elitist means being Not the dumbest motherfucker in the room…I want to got there.
Ha. That just cracked me up. Thanks for a yuck. No, really.
I meant I want to go there. You all knew that.
Front paged! Uh-oh…
Oh, hi.
I remembering saying, or thinking that, back in the day when Christy was here.
You’re fine, babeee. Don’t even spend a sec thinking about it.
Honesty and frankness is welcomed here. I mean the big FDL. Can’t speak for TBogg’s site, since I’m a stranger here.
But, I’m thinking I should stop by more often.
The europeas are looking for , oh what do they call it, o I got it a fiscal contraction expansion to grease something or other up. Is that one of Neal’s things?
What I meant was, Christy would have an early post on her own sister site here and sometimes I found myself so comfortable or stupid that I said something not especially circumspect, only to find the post front paged in the afternoon.
Smartest thing you’ve posted in months.
I’m ascared to take it.
I’ll take that as a compliment.
Charles has got himself a gig till retirement now, economic mobility in the gutter and whatall.
Dear Mr. Murray:
Take your NSA job and shove it.
Regards,
Will Hunting
Wow, nothing like a Culture War pop test, with a Constitution-defying “religious test” thrown in for good measure.
This is like push-polling or one of the questions right-wing-leaning pollsters ask all the time to slant responses toward the right.
But one can tell this is a Tory 1-percenter Culture War pop test just by the name of the publisher, “The Crown.” I thought we fought a Revolutionary War to throw “The Crown” out of America.
All of my points came from growing up in a small town and my husband once owning a pickup. We live in Texas; it’s practically a citizenship requirement. I lost points because my father was a college professor. Now, the college was East Texas State University, where he and my mother went to school and where he grew up, and where my grandparents all lived — one grandfather owned a small dairy and delivered milk and the other was a mechanic. Still, because of my father’s job title, I’m apparently a member of the elite.
I could have gotten points for having friends who made C’s in high school; however he limited this to ‘struggled’ for C’s, and I was on friendly terms with the stoners who would have made A’s and B’s if they weren’t using their homework for rolling papers, not because they were dim.
“Kinder, Küche, Kirche?” But this is pure fascism.
Ski bumming in Breckenridge, Colorado, that most salt-of-the-earth type of decisions, earned me about 15 points on Charles Murray’s douchebag quiz.
Murray’s quiz is the long-form version of Bernard Goldberg’s incredibly stupid argument in his book Bias–namely, that there’s something wrong with people who rather vacation in Paris than Branson, Missouri. As if the Roy Rogers and Dale Evans Museum is on a cultural par with the Louvre.
And by the way, I’m proud of the fact that I’ve never seen any episode of any reality show. Ever.
58 and at least he got the fact that I’m first generation correct. Other than that the goddamn thing is an incredible time-waster for internet-challenged Murkan Morans.
I guess knowing all five military ranks and having been in the armed forces after I hitchhiked to Woodstock got me extra points. (Okay, kidding about Woodstock I was 90 miles away in a Vermont village of 300 people).
45 for me. Because my dad wasn’t a college professor, he taught piano at a college. And played church organ and gave private lessons and played at dinner theater and weddings and funerals and the rodeo, and between times he made cabinets and went out hunting to bring back venison.
What a nonsensical little effort that was. Why not just have us all assign a number to how proud we are of our book-smarts and penalize us accordingly? Did he construct it carefully so he could get a decent score on it?
I’m never getting those minutes back again.