
I wanted to follow up on the post below on why the decision, obviously influenced by Susan G. Komen Foundation Senior Vice President for Public Policy Karen Handel, has not only done irreparable damage to their brand, but has destroyed years of marketing and fundraising work within the organization.
Organizations like Komen spend a great deal of money to essentially bring a great deal more money in. This involves purchasing mailing lists from like-minded organizations or ones with probable cross-over appeal. While all organizations soliciting money are on the lookout for new members, the gold standard is members who will pony up once a year or, better yet, in response to continuous appeals for financial support.
[The following is quite boring.]
As an example, based upon my career in the catalog bidness, you purchase a small sample mailing list at, say, five cents a name. Depending upon the industry, you’re looking for a response rate of somewhere around 3% (you have captured 3 new customers for every 100 solicitations) but hopefully more. When it is all said and done, with the help of source codes, you can see how many customers you actually gained and you then take your list expense and divide it by that number. Where you paid five cents for all of those names (which, by the way, you can only use once), your cost of acquiring just one of the customers now has risen to, say, $15. If that customer only spends $50 with you one time, well, that’s not such a bargain. What you’re looking for is a longtime relationship involving multiple successful solicitations (purchases, whatever) which will reduce that acquisition cost over a period of time. It’s called “customer lifetime value (wikipedia has a nice summary of it here) and that is where longtime success lives.
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Now the Komen people have spent a tremendous amount of time and money (using donation/sponsorship money) marketing themselves, tracking down new contributors, and maintaining relationships with long time contributors in order to feed the beast. Since the intersection of contributors who support both Planned Parenthood and the Susan G. Komen Foundation is in all likelihood an almost complete overlap because they are both primarily associated with women’s health issues, the fall-out has to be huge. Somewhat larger than whatever value they think Karen Handel brings to the table, I assume. Think of this as a divorce between a couple who have been dear friends of yours for years and now you have to decide whose side you want to take. Based upon what I’m seeing and hearing, women see the Komen people as the bad guys because they’re the ones who threw out their partner in order to sleep with wingnuts for strictly political and, more importantly, not medical reasons. If I’m in the marketing department at Komen… I’m pissed. I’ve spent years developing a highly successful very lucrative cash vacuum and now either by executive fiat or fear of a marginal fringe group, potentially millions of dollars from longtime contributors is lost forever over a $600,000 grant. And for those who think those dollars are going to be made up by conservatives who are already hostile to the idea of providing adequate healthcare to their fellow citizens, much less the needs of only women, well then you’re whistling past the graveyard.
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What makes this even stupider is that it didn’t have to be this way. Komen is huge. Until they started acting like Newt Gingrich in a singles bar they were, for the most part, untouchable. Hey, c’mon … attack the Susan G. Komen Foundation? What? You want women to get breast cancer? So one can only surmise that this is an actual reflection of the way the Susan G. Komen board thinks … or they blinked in the face of idle threats.
This is what happens when you sow the wind. You get introduced to the whirlwind….




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Agreed, absolutely.
And…I worried a bit that this wouldn’t get much news traction. Dummy me.
My email box had half a dozen messages on the lines “Tell Susan GK DON’T DO THIS!” from different organizations. NPR’s headlines just teased a story on the upcoming All Things Considered, quoting a woman as saying “Komen went to war on women.”
They’ve gotta be beating their heads on their desks today. The loss has got to be bigger than any possible gain. If they’re as smart as they used to be, they’ll toss Handel under the bus, but quick.
I am absolutely stunned at the onslaught against women’s health lately. Who do they think will be healthy enough to carry, bear, and raise their children? It makes you think that they were raised by wolves.
Both my mother and my daughter are breast cancer survivors. I am sick at the thought of funds being cut off to this (formerly) great organization. I can’t help wonder what Susan G. Komen herself would think of this latest development in her name.
I totally support Planned Parenthood and all of their incredible services to women.
audjsc
Jane told us about Komen way back when. She was right.
Thanks for all the info, TBogg. One can only hope that the word gets out, and many citizens begin to question the Koman “Charity” for the Ponzi scheme that it is.
I have long despaired that most citizens will ever figure it out, despite a lot of info being available for years about this useless, money-sucking organization.
It does make me wonder if any of the very fat cats at Komen care about this, or if they’re just so greedily insulated from reality, that they don’t give a rat’s patoot. My money would be on the latter, rather than the former, sad to say, because, in the end, I have a feeling this won’t really cause a *dent* to Koman organization. They must’ve gotten the nod from some rich & power SOBs that they’ll make up the difference to the Koman shitheads if they’ll go along with this attack on Planned Parenthood.
Pretty despicable. Yet a nail in the coffin for women’s rights on all levels. Down ‘n dirty… these bastards are really out to play hard ball.
What a shame. And what a stupid country we live in. I mean really stupid.
Do you remember what she said? Id be very interested…
All those petitions that popped up today are quite intriguing, but I couldn’t help but wonder: why not simply encourage people to take the money and give it directly to PP, or at least to some other variation on the theme, why the sudden sense of allegiance to SGK?
But the big pink cash cow will continue to be milkable for quite some time, no matter how badly SGK screwed the pooch here — the many big companies that have made a strategic decision to jump on the pink ribbon gravy train aren’t going to bail, so the huge royalty $$$s from General Mills and all the other marketing vultures are going to continue pouring in. But as tbogg points out, it’s the potentially alienated direct donors that will smart in the years to come — once you piss them off, they’re not going to give ever again, they’re not going to do the ripoff ‘thons and walks — and they’re not going to do your marketing for you by encouraging their friends to do something “for The Cure” (i.e. for the benefit of SGK’s juicy bottom line). Hopefully those aggregated losses will be blamed squarely on Handel’s arrival on the scene and help put her out to pasture.
I only remember that she was very critical. Sorry. The memory goes first. :(
Handel is a Republican and anti-choice so this really shouldn’t be a surprise to us – but it was.
Speaking of what’s wrong with the country:
The Catalog business?
Okay now I know why most of what’s supposed to be funny on TV is not.
Staffing SNAFU! Aisle six!
I’d just like to say I found the “boring” part quite interesting! But then, I usually do…
Have never supported SGK–their corporate affect turned me off from the beginning. Their main thrust seems to be their own growth. Sure, they give some money to research, but still . . .
BTW, for a good time, go check out the Komen Facebook page. Over 5,000 “comments” on their post trying to spin this thing, over 80% saying “no more money for you!” – and a whole bunch of people who said they were scheduling appointments with their lawyers to rewrite the bequests in their wills.
Here you go, from back in the days of the health insurance reform battles.
(There are other posts, I’m sure, but this is the one that came to mind first.)
I’m not sure I follow you, Tbogg. Newt in a singles bar *would* be untouchable.
*g*
Barbara Ehrenreich – Cancerland:
“There are four major national breast-cancer organizations, of which the mightiest, in financial terms, is The Susan G. Komen Foundation, headed by breast-cancer veteran and Bush’s nominee for ambassador to Hungary Nancy Brinker. Komen organizes the annual Race for the Cure©, which attracts about a million people — mostly survivors, friends, and family members. Its website provides a microcosm of the new breast-cancer culture, offering news of the races, message boards for accounts of individuals’ struggles with the disease, and a “marketplace” of breast-cancer-related products to buy.
More so than in the case of any other disease, breast-cancer organizations and events feed on a generous flow of corporate support. Nancy Brinker relates how her early attempts to attract corporate interest in promoting breast cancer “awareness” were met with rebuff. A bra manufacturer, importuned to affix a mammogram-reminder tag to his product, more or less wrinkled his nose. Now breast cancer has blossomed from wallflower to the most popular girl at the corporate charity prom. While AIDS goes begging and low-rent diseases like tuberculosis have no friends at all, breast cancer has been able to count on Revlon, Avon, Ford, Tiffany, Pier 1, Estee Lauder, Ralph Lauren, Lee Jeans, Saks Fifth Avenue, JC Penney, Boston Market, Wilson athletic gear — and I apologize to those I’ve omitted. You can “shop for the cure” during the week when Saks donates 2 percent of sales to a breast-cancer fund; “wear denim for the cure” during Lee National Denim Day, when for a $5 donation you get to wear blue jeans to work. You can even “invest for the cure,” in the Kinetics Assets Management’s new no-load Medical Fund, which specializes entirely in businesses involved in cancer research.
If you can’t run, bike, or climb a mountain for the cure — all of which endeavors are routine beneficiaries of corporate sponsorship — you can always purchase one of the many products with a breast cancer theme. There are 2.2 million American women in various stages of their breast-cancer careers, who, along with anxious relatives, make up a significant market for all things breast-cancer-related…..
The ultrafeminine theme of the breast-cancer “marketplace” — the prominence, for example, of cosmetics and jewelry — could be understood as a response to the treatments’ disastrous effects on one’s looks. But the infantilizing trope is a little harder to account for, and teddy bears are not its only manifestation. A tote bag distributed to breast cancer patients by the Libby Ross Foundation (through places such as the Columbia Presbyterian Medical Center) contains, among other items, a tube of Estee Lauder Perfumed Body Crème, a hot-pink satin pillowcase, an audiotape “Meditation to Help You with Chemotherapy,” a small tin of peppermint pastilles, a set of three small inexpensive rhinestone bracelets, a pink-striped “journal and sketch book,” and — somewhat jarringly — a small box of crayons. Marla Willner, one of the founders of the Libby Ross Foundation, told me that the crayons “go with the journal — for people to express different moods, different thoughts. . .” though she admitted she has never tried to write with crayons herself. Possibly the idea is that regression to a state of childlike dependency puts one in the best frame of mind with which to endure the prolonged and toxic treatments. Or it may be that, in some versions of the prevailing gender ideology, femininity is by its nature incompatible with full adulthood — a state of arrested development. Certainly men diagnosed with prostate cancer do not receive gifts of Matchbox cars.
Here ya go:
http://firedoglake.com/2009/12/14/calling-on-james-denton-ellen-degeneres-and-other-stars-no-more-race-for-the-cure-cancer-money-to-hadassah-lieberman/
Lately? The assault on women’s health and reproductive issues has never stopped.
The good news is that a whole lot of folks who were sucked into that pink-ribboned money machine won’t be going back for another fleecing.
And I’d bet good money there’s going to be even better news down the pike, when all those corporate sponsors figure out that it is NOT a most excellent marketing idea to have those cute little pink logos on their products.
Less than 25 cents on the dollar: 23 point something.
The next phase of this effort, begun by encouraging donations to Planned Parenthood with a note from them to Komen Foundation, will be to target specific consumer companies who Pink-Up their products with ribbons licensed from SBKF. I eagerly await the reveal: who will be chosen for a very public, very loud, very ladylike boycott?
Ford Motor Company, for instance, is very Big Pink.
I read somewhere that testicular cancer kills slightly more people, it just doesn’t have as good a PR department.
(Doesn’t have an as good looking mascot either).
Seriously though, I have to agree that the pink ribbon thingy has become as fashionable as Levi’s was in my day; this is gonna’ be interesting when all these corporations start to see their hook’s payoff start to decline.
Thank you very much…leave it to Jane, huh? Really glad to have that background.
So where is Komen planning to redirect the $600,000 if not to Planned Parenthood? Have they said?
Senior woman. I haven’t been taken in by any of these women’s ‘health’ groups. Was warned by my wingnut father in the 1950s to be skeptical of bleeding heart groups who come to us with palms raised. Not surprised that, like unions, management sold out on first opportunity. Just wondering why it took wingnuts so long to buy them.
You’re welcome.
And yes, Jane nailed it, with links aplenty to keep everything tidy.
That is exactly how I responded to the petition solicitations I received.
Put differently, do more women live off of breast cancer or die from it.
As a general matter I don’t do ribbons, yard signs, any other public displays. My evaluations of causes are personal & my contributions closely held (except for a diary here). No one else’s biz, and everyone else is capable of making up her own mind.
I’m not sure how I feel about “targeting” companies with SGK-licensed products. If by “targeting” you mean just corresponding with them to let them know that SGK is no longer apolitical, never did spend an appropriate amount of donations on their mission and many other groups promoting women’s health do, and that you personally will not buy SGK licensed product, ok. But I’d hate to see this ramp up right away into boycott threats, because no one who has donated to SGK in the past is responsible for what the foundation just did. If pressure is brought to bear, I would hope it would be to convince companies to reconsider their association with SGK in the future rather than threatening retaliation for a current and past association.
When the SGK Foundation endorse BPA I was done. Actually, I was done before that because this so called champion of Women’s health has never come out against the wide spread corporate polluting that is at the core of breast cancer. Have you ever heard them go after the oil industry that has actually taken extra toxins from gas that are not allowed in certain states and “disposed” of it in the gas of states, therefore exposing some women doubly, that don’t have these laws. No,this cancer industry is a racket and the CURE is the last thing they want to see happen.
The cancer biz has no intention of ever curing cancer, if they ever come up with anything, you can bet it will be something that costs billions and you need for a lifetime. The cancer treatments we have kill you faster than cancer and only after they have taken every dime they can get out of you.
Further, if the Liebermans are part of it, you can bet it’s corrupt. Do you ever hear of SGK Foundation actually helping women or promoting legislation that helps women. NO. WAke up,, it is just a scam as is the whole MHI. Sure, it has its good parts but the big money makers are the scams and making sure everybody is sick and on meds.
Considering this weekend will see the nation’s biggest sporting event (I still echo Mrs. Bogg’s “get him … ooohhhh get him!” from 2007) and the nation’s most successful sports organization has been all over the “pink” theme for several years (thanks a whole bunch to the wife of the owner of my particular favorite — Dem Iggles) it will be interesting to see what October looks like next season in stadiums across the great ol’ US-of-A
I’ve always boycotted pink ribbons. They never stand up to industry for polluting. They never really help women with breast cancer. I saw a bitter women with breast cancer on YouTube and she was disposing of the pink scarf she was given at the hospital and said that this was the entire extent of SGK relationship with her. Just a stupid PR stunt 25 cent scarf. The cancer biz is a racket and they are not looking for the cure for the people, they are looking for the cure so they can control it and make sure no one can get their hands on it.
Cancer & anti-cancer inds prolly colluding. Is in both their financial interests.
Wavey: TrademarkDave!
I will let pass without comment tha the president of a CHARITY organization like the Susan B. Komen Foundation makes $531,924.
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/14/charity-10_Susan-G-Komen-for-the-Cure_CH0155.html
Can’t let that one pass. Well, duh, how ya gonna get a competent prez for less than $500,000. /s
Geez, they’re just having themselves a great time on money donated by people who actually care. Shame on them and their organization. I want to go after the people who sponsor them.
NBC Nightly News had the courage to report that she was a former unsuccessful Republican candidate for governor who had, among other campaign promises, one in which she promised to defund Planned Parenthood.
This should have been no surprise, particularly given the seemingly-anodyne new criterion applied to justify the defunding: “We won’t fund anyone who’s under investigation”. And, lo and behold, some wingnut in Congress saw fit to start an investigation of Planned Parenthood.
Moving to another topic, did you know that in some states you can get Susan G. Komen pink license plates for your car?
California Capitol dome won’t be illuminated in pink again
I shoulda listened to my father more carefully at an earlier age. It took me too long to be as appropriately cynical as I now am.
First SGK, then all their pink shit everywhere else.
This is the best thing SGK ever did! I hope they go straight down the chute to the dump.
What about Empire State building illumination.
And who cares anyhow.
We need to research when that run would have been…doesn’t seem to have made much of a splash.
I believe that Komen has ties to Bank of America which is under investigation, isn’t it? Seems they would want to stay away from BofA if they’re so pure.
Oh, and from above:
And for those who think those dollars are going to be made up by conservatives who are already hostile to the idea of providing adequate healthcare to their fellow citizens, much less the needs of only women, well then you’re whistling past the graveyard.
ROFLMAO, l.m.a.o.
@audjsc@2: I knew Suzy Komen and I am crying right now…
My deepest sympathies. Looks like her sister sold her out. How Right WingNut of her. Such a shame. Good vibes, anyway, to the spirit of Suzy Komen.
Komen has been known for decades as spending donor money to fund executives and pay for extravagent fund raising.
Their donor dollor ratio to services provided or funded is pitifully low, all non profits are measured in this manner.
It’s really, the ONLY measure worth a shit considering
So, Mr. Bogg, I pretty much reject all yer marketing theory and such as being well, quite misleading as to the efficacy and efficiency of Komen in regards to helping women . . . the real measure is the orgs donor dollar to services provided.
Nothing else matters.
Komen is and HAS been a huckster org posing as a woman friendly role model whilst preying on the fears of women as a pretext to fund execs and fundraising and gain ‘visibility’ in the Veal Pen of life and politics.
End of story.
Any savvy healthcare pro or PR pro can tell you this.
I cannot help but think of the Koch brothers funding economics departments and “selecting” the professors. The “Selected” professors basically destroyed the school’s economics department.
I think that some right wing organization specifically targeted SGK for destruction and “selected” its new staff. The “selected” staff will do their duty and destroy the foundation.
Cancervative Republicans are out to destroy America, and cancervative Republicans like Mitt Romney, and those running Komen, really just don’t give a damn about the poor, since the poor, like those who go to Planned Parenthood for their health needs, aren’t big donors to the cancervative Republican Party.
Or should that be Republicancervative, one word?
Hmm, I think I’ll tweet this from now on in describing Republican Cancervatives. For some reason, Republican and Cancer go together, just like cancer and conservative fit together, destroying, metastisizing, killing, and apparently no amount of democratic chemotherapy will ever rid our society of Cancervative Republicans, giving our nation a clean bill of health.
Corporate support won’t stick around for long. If SGK is a pariah to most women the corporations will flee faster than any cure racer.
Being tagged as anti-choice has a negative impact on the bottom line in the female demographic.
I’d have to say that you did a fairly good job of missing my point. I never said that the money collected would be going to treatment. Only that they are very good at collecting money because that is their main mission. Breast cancer is now secondary.
I didn’t do an exact count, but it seems like more than 80% critical comments on the SGK facebook page.
KOMEN’S CORPORATE SPONSORS:
http://ww5.komen.org/CorporatePartners.aspx
You know what to do.
KOMEN’S CORPORATE SPONSORS:
http://ww5.komen.org/CorporatePartners.aspx
You know what to do.
Awesome post. Thank you, TBogg.
Find from this morning, “Komen Also Stops Funding Embryonic Stem Cell Research Centers.” From http://www.lifenews.com/2012/02/01/komen-also-stops-funding-embryonic-stem-cell-research-centers/
Komen is making their position quite clear.
On the plus side, $400K in donations to Planned Parenthood yesterday.
As a testicular cancer survivor, I can tell you that it’s nowhere near as dangerous or deadly as breast cancer. Testicular cancer is extremely responsive to chemotherapy, in a way that breast cancer isn’t. Indeed, if we eliminated TC tomorrow, we’d save fewer lives than if we reduced the mortality of breast cancer by one percent.
There are cancers that kill more people than breast cancer — lung cancer’s leading the charge there, and prostate, colorectal, liver, and pancreatic cancers are close. But breast cancer deserves the focus it gets — it really is a killer that hits too damn many women (and men — more men die of breast cancer annually than testicular cancer). That’s why it’s too damn bad that SGK chose politics over health.
Too many of those aware of breast cancer numbers, as well as the MSM, nonetheless got taken in by the cache of pink ribbons. This has gone on too long.
And all the contributors. . . lemmings. One would think they’d have checked out Komen, then donated instead directly to PP or some other legitimate end charity.
In a perverse way maybe Komen’s gaffe will set things straight for the long term.
It’s a misogynyistic world and always has been. Until and unless women, femininity, softness, kindness, charity, love, acceptance and all that is female is embraced by all the world, we will continue to see this sociopathic barbarity directed at women.
The “boring” part was not boring at all. For my part, I’m throwing away my Run for the Cure T-shirt and writing another check to Planned Parenthood.
I just emailed a post from the Atlantic to a conservative and Republican friend of mine, who’s older and not virulently anti-abortion like Karen Handel, whom this friend did support in her gubernatorial campaign in 2010. I told her that this is one more reason why I could never vote for a Republican ever. There are no moderates left and if in power they will dismantle women’s reproductive rights and return us to the days of barefoot and pregnant. It’s not just about being anti-abortion; it’s about being so anti- women’s control of their own bodies that they will always do stupid stuff like this.
This is a PR disaster of the kind an organization and its brand do not deserve to survive.
The Atlantic piece mentioned by @dww44 quoted a communications guy for Komen saying that top brass figured that if they did this, the right wing would leave them alone. His tone suggests that he, himself, did not believe it, which is foolish because look at all the times that right-wing bullies have gone away once you’ve given them the first thing they ask for.