
Yesterday James Poulos, writing for Tucker Carlson’s Chronicle Of A Career Death Foretold, penned a gaseous belch of a post called “What Are Women For?” which was, offensive title aside, what you might expect if you were to dump two scoops of over-educated rhetorical flatulence, a half-cup of undercooked thought experiments, a few overly-ripe bon mots, and a soupçon of undeserved self regard into a blender set at ‘blather’. The end result is what Empedocles fondly referred to in his Purifications as a “steaming pile of donkey poop.”
Roy took a shot reading it and came away as flummoxed as I did:
What the fuck is he talking about?
Seriously. I’m not very well educated, and half drunk most of the time, but I do know how to read, and I swear to God I have no idea what he’s saying. I don’t know how “a civilization of men, for men, and by men” relates to anything else he said. I don’t know what he means by women’s “privileged relationship with the natural world,” unless my browser has failed to show me the picture of a lady sniffing a purty flower that was supposed to explain it. And as to “imitation by quasi-feminized males of quasi-masculinized females,” it sounds like Archie Bunker had one of those Flowers for Algernon operations.
At which point Roy called out “Help me, Mr. Wizard!!” by which he meant Noted All Purpose Internet Smart Guy Dr. Professor Michael Bérubé who knows “Twizzle, twazzle, twozzle, twome; time for this one to come home” when he sees or unfortunately steps in it. Bérubé replied in the comments:
I have determined, on the basis of my thirty years of advanced (and, on occasion, national-security seekrit) literary study, that Mr. Poulos’ work is indeed modern, perhaps on the very cusp of the post-modern. To wit, forthwith, and without further ado, my textual evidence:
To the growing discomfort of many, that framework hasn’t come anywhere close to answering even the most basic questions about what women are for — despite pretty much universal recognition across the political spectrum that a civilization of men, for men, and by men is no civilization at all, a monstrously barbaric, bloody, and brutal enterprise. Given the existence as uttered forth in the public works of Puncher and Wattmann of a personal God quaquaquaqua with white beard quaquaquaqua outside time without extension who from the heights of divine apathia a few inherently meaningful implications about what women are for flow naturally from this wise and enduring consensus, but no faction of conservatives or liberals has figured out how to fully grasp, translate, and reconcile them in the context of our political life it is established beyond all doubt what many deny that man in Possy of Testew and Cunard that man in Essy that man in short that man in brief in spite of the strides of alimentation and defecation wastes and pines wastes and pines and concurrently simultaneously ironically, one of the best places to look for a way out of the impasse is the strain of left feminism that insists an inherently unique female “voice” actually exists that’s a claim about nature what is more for reasons unknown in spite of the strides of physical culture the practice of sports such as tennis football running cycling swimming flying floating riding gliding conating camogie skating tennis of all kinds dying flying sports of all sorts autumn summer winter winter tennis of all kinds hockey of all sorts penicillin and succedanea much good would come from a broader recognition that women have a privileged relationship with the natural world. That’s a relationship which must receive its social due — if masculinity in its inherent and imitative varieties (including imitation by quasi-feminized males of quasi-masculinized females!) is not to conquer the world.
Honestly, Roy, I think this pretty much speaks for itself. Modern, postmodern — it speaks to us all.
To which a lesser professor would add “Heh, indeed” because he probably didn’t read it, busy as he was posting links to incredible savings on toothbrushes or whatever at Amazon.
But getting back to Polous, if we must, he has responded to the general pointing and laughing and mocking and snickering and eye-rolling and merry-making and jerk-off motions at his expense by playing the Jonah Goldberg Variation which is that thing where people call you out on your shit and you respond with “But this is central to my point..fart fart fart. Fart fart. Fart fart…. actual poop“.
My recent column on the difficult relationship between human nature and sexual politics has generated a response that itself is worth talking about. The wave of anger and condemnation that has come from some quarters is dramatic evidence that the column’s central contention is right….
No no no.
No it is not.
It was poorly written folderol, hoo-hah, and balderdash and the response to it was to point out that it was ….poorly written folderol, hoo-hah, and balderdash. Nobody was disputing your point because there was no point to be taken. And you don’t get to come back today and turn in a new paper saying, “Well here is what I meant to say yesterday and can I have my other paper back? Do over! Tap tap no erasies!” and then run back to your Couch Cushion Fort of Hard Thinking.
We will, however, allow you to travel backward in time to summarize this:
9/11 notwithstanding, there is no future caught between the two modes of indie abandon, in which irony is meant mostly to hide the hurt. As techno-paranoia and the fast-track spectacle of The Future gripped the imagination ten years ago, today we find agony and anxiety in a condition that seems impossible to escape from for more than stolen minutes at a time. It’s a psychosexual milieu in which satisfaction seems obsolete, mutual manipulation is common currency, and fully contingent commitment defines our interrelationships. Stanley Kubrick’s last masterpiece got mixed reviews (coming just slightly before its time as it did) for portraying the desperation of the contemporary sexual imagination — and its almost nihilist emotional craving — as the spirit of the age. But Eyes Wide Shut perfectly reflected the glint of the slicing edge of its time as much as 2001, bluntly asking: How do you escape from escape?
In Rainbows, with its carnal grip, relates in much the same way to OK Computer, with its chrome-trimmed space aria. This weird malaise of the Bush years, in which time has seemed so enduringly out of joint, won’t disappear in a puff of Hillary. Many in the Radiohead generation have always sensed the hard-to-articulate connection between the contingency, directionlessness, and corruption of the world at large and that of the world swirling in our heads, hearts, and souls.
as:
It’s got a good beat and you can dance to it




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I thought it was
Razzle, dazzle, drazzle, drone, time for this one to come home
Razzle, dazzle, drazzle, die, time for this one to come alive
and hold my life until I’m ready to use it
But then I listened to The Replacements and never have seen any Tooter Turtle since it left the air 5 months or so before my birth
If you look at the original “column,” almost all of the comments mentioned that Poulous a)can’t write worth a damn and/or b)is full of shit. So, yeah, central to his point.
This is the most jaw-dropping of all Poulos articles — the one in which he links the decline of Western civilization to the rise of “zany” type fonts and the use of the spelling “kidz” on children’s menus.
It’ll take a second for it to load from the Wayback Machine; trust me, it’s worth it.
Aside from the temptation to labor through what he meant by “nihilist emotional craving” — I read the second excerpt because it was shorter and because I couldn’t make it past “uttered forth” in the first — and then, I suspect, 30 or 40 minutes trying to formulate a response that expresses my gut feeling that “nihilist emotional craving” is just three-word bullshit, I will offer that I think it was really “Drizzle, drazzle, drozzle, drome; time for zis one to come home.”
I hate reading self-filibusters. It’s like crossing a 19th century academic with a four-year-old telling a story.
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one offended by that title. Jesus Christ, shut up!
I think I’m mentally in great shape. I didn’t understand a word that either said.
He does answer his own question though. Top of the sixth paragraph. “tits for tats”.
I think only males should be allowed to opine about females. It’s only fair, after all.
Two points for “Flowers for Algernon” and five points for “Mr. Wizard”
Half of the the country wouldn’t know either of those.
As for Poulos, the “soul of twit” pretty much sums up his article.
I hope I’m allowed to go off topic but this is hilarious! Wonderful, unbiased, accurate
Fox “News”Politico ran a story about how Obama replaced the Wisconsin flag with a local union flag so everybody knows “whose side (he’s) on in Wisconsin”. The trouble is, it IS the Wisconsin state flag! It’s got “Wisconsin” on the top and the year they entered the union. My favorite line from the Politico story? Check this out:Let the hilarity ensue!
I’m snorting cream of mushroom soup out of my nose, and I haven’t even read his piece yet. Thanks, T, just what I needed this evening.
While I despise him as an ‘actor’, I believe this movie clip is the correct response…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/50leg/2r/bills/hb2838p.pdf
Arizona House Bill 2838. Currently held in committee – but no one knows for how long. Effectively eliminates a woman’s ability or right to speak for her own body. Prosecutes and imprisons a physician who performs an abortion if that abortion took place 20 weeks + 1 minute after conception.
Why the hell do I want to stay in Arizona?
Exactly….I clearly did not have time for this whatever….
Yes, they’ve done such a great job with the world, economy, justice, you name it…As the La Code used to say: Head and Master. At least the Supremes undid that language; hell, the south really may rise again and need a Head and Master. We’ll just have to see.
That’s very strange. Most of the abortions that take place after 20 weeks are for serious medical complications. Are there any exclusions in the law – rape, incest, life of the mother?
And it slyly is compliant with Roe v. Wade. Some legislator is grandstanding. It looks tailored to be overturned in court.
Reading Terrorism in the Name of God by Jessica Stern, pub around 2003. Focused on monotheisms (well, assuming the trinity qualifies anyhow). Worship of the father figure, like calling husband Lord (protestant group in AL) big part of the extremism.
Where do they find these women. (Rhetorical Q.)
Q I often ask these days: what’s so pro-survival about alpha male societies. Doesn’t seem to have done the chimps much good.
Ahem. Overturning misogyny in courts is not guaranteed, and in any event requires deep pockets. So attacks on women continue relentlessly until males win.
I admit it. I spend too much time reading online. But is has given me the ability to read half a sentence and know I need not read further. This little voice in my head says, “nope” and I move on.
Alot of that discussion is behind the inclusive/feminine language for God; i.e. if God is male, male is God outlook. The materal image is very powerful esp. where a woman has been abused by the male/priest/church power figure.
Hey, Your’re the alpha male expert; I’d like to hear your answer to your question.;)
One of my faves is catching 1/2 sentence and knowing a great deal about person’s life.
Example: Along a redeveloped Hudson waterfront in Newburgh, NY, summer 2009 or 2010. Walked past woman on cell phone and overheard: “Yes, we were surprised too.” Turned around, and sure enough, there was a 40-something woman, preggers.
You young whippersnappers – you mean you never watched Tooter Turtle?
You.should.take.over.Bill.Mahar’s.spot.when.he’s.on.a.binge….
As an alternative koan to muse on, how can an empty vessel be full of s#$t?
Can’t answer your Q about my opinion. If I did, Kelly Canfield would assign me to the far reaches of hell for whining about the difficulty of being female while having outearned many males.
And who’s gonna take over my spot when I’m on a binge. Increasingly these days, as misogyny rampages.
Thank you, drmyk! I had read that text before but never knew its origin. I think I will memorize that little clip for the next time someone spouts dumbass conservative talking points in my direction.
(Snorts.gin.n.tonic)
(Hand.shoots.up.in.the.air)
ME!…HÄ!
That’s a valid point. I just found the legislation very curious for an anti-abortion bill. Like it was court bait.
Oh, find a code….May not be Kelly’s area of expertise…imho.
A. It helps the anthropologists and ethologists writing about alpha-male societies survive quite well.
Well, gin’n tonic is too precious to snort.
Other than that, though I don’t know you, we could try double teaming the oppo & see how it works.
I favor experiments, esp including failed ones. Nothing ventured….
It sounds like he went to the reverend falwell and dobson scool of intelechewel thinking. You know the school where watching a sponge opine about his pineapple home with a starfish turns people gay and a show where a purple creature with an antenna on it’s head carrying a bag is also a plot to turn people gay.
It has come to my attention that the GOP has alot of paranoid people in it. They see evil plots everywhere.
Of course, the left is only marginally better. Sigh
I loved Flowers for Algernon. Such a good book even though it was sad.
Afraid it’s not so isolated. http://firedoglake.com/2010/04/11/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-arnold-ludwig-king-of-the-mountain-the-nature-of-political-leadership/
Most leaders of most countries in 20C were alpha males and that accounts for a lot of total incompetence. Evidence is evidence. Not just keeping anthros in power.
What’s the contrary case?
Ensued: That’s that radical union group #….Be careful. Thanks.
There was a similar line of arguement as more women were going into ministry; along the lines of men have done enough to mess up the church…somewhat apparent to some people ;) not to make toooo broad a generalization, also lest I sound whiny.
TBogg, I think you should run for office. Anyone who can talk about “rhetorical flatulence” would surely be able to dazzle the uninformed. Then, we could take over the country.
A wag more droll than I once quipped, “Ten dollar words for ten cent ideas.” It fits that ass-hat’s word salad.
My answer was to your question about what’s so pro-survival about alpha-male societies. And the best I could come up with was it allows the writers of that claptrap to survive.
If leaders of the 20C were incompetent, that doesn’t point to being pro-survival, does it?
yeppers.
Us whiny wimmin.
Geez why don’t the guys just STFU.
Not sad. Keen insight into the journey of human consciousness. When I first saw it as the original TV drama back in the day, I thought it was sad..tragic. But it has stuck with me and it sure fits my life experience.
Aww, ‘cuz wimmin are the big talkers, dontcha know? Wow, past the shelf life on that one….
Exactly my point.
But some here have taken great offense that I typed that I can’t wait until the human race becomes extinct.
Granted that’s bloviating, but only marginally so, considering all the damage humans have wrought on this planet.
Have you read The World Without Us? It’s totally absorbing – I thoroughly enjoyed it.
I’m sure this has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Republicans fund and run the Politico.
Meanwhile, be afraid… James G. Poulos had a band. And it has a Myspace page.
I don’t know that I’d blame incompetence on a faulty y chromosome though.
;)
I’m more inclined to believe it was more about the alpha behavior than a masculinity problem. Sadly, I’ve known females that have displayed the same types of behavior. They are poor team players and are risk takers as long as its other peoples’ necks that they are risking. Granted, the behavior is more prevalent in the male half of the species.
No, will check it out.
Someone should come up with a trite “What are men for?” response. Let them be tasked with explaining their existence.
Men are here to save us wimmens from ourselves. Who knows what we might do if left alone. Peace might break out and kindness would prevail. Nah, too scary. s/
Maureen Dowd would be a great date for John Poulos.
I’m always amused by THOSE type of men. The ones that underestimate the abilities of women are usually the worst type of incompetent and the least able to read people. It’s be funny if it weren’t so tragic.
The purpose of men is to facilitate a quicker and more efficient dissemination of genetic variance in a population than can be achieved through random mutation and parthenogenesis. Assuming your species is capable of parthenogenesis.
Otherwise, men are for standing atop an artificial patriarchal hierarchy over the half of the population that doesn’t happen to have a penis.
So, either or, really.
So it’s okay for the gubbmit to impose invasive and onerous conditions on citizens that wish to exercise a legal “choice” that the rest of us find morally objectionable?
Okay dokie: From now on, each year someone wishes to claim the “carried interest” deduction, first they have to get naked, stick a plunger handle up their butt, and parade down Wall Street between the hours of 9AM and 4PM while playing “It’s a Small World” on a kazoo. Proving their eligibility requires getting a video of their parade and posting it on YouTube.
Hey, it’s a *choice*. They don’t have to take the deduction.
Despite what others have said, I view women’s and gay people’s rights intertwined – can’t have progress ultimately without both, which I’ve said time and time again.
But detractors will carry on as they will. Really don’t care what they say – just a note for the record to keep it real.
I decided against a career in academia to avoid reading self-important dreck like that. And that was about things I was interested in. Word salad doesn’t become tastier because it has more syllables.
Sigh, HST would likely read yer critical analyses of media Boggs.
N smile.
Well done, again.
I could try and get half way there but, you take us all, all the way.
So why should I bother.
Thanks, ya save me a lot of agonizing and editing on my part.
;-)
LOVE IT!!!
Exactly.
DAMN YOU!
I clicked. I read. And now my brains are oozing out of my eardrums and I may not be able to speak proper English again.
I know I should be offended at an essay entitled “What are Women For”, but I don’t read Gobbledygook so I came away confused and disoriented…
After all the oversized useless words are filtered out, it boils down to “don’t have a frikkin’ clue what I’m talking about.”
People — you know who you are — should take care not to mention others who aren’t on the thread. Especially incorrectly, and in a way that casts aspersions. It’s the worst kind of bad blog manners.
Sometimes I wonder who people think they are.
Poulos’ effort is gibberish of positively Brooksian quality, except that he has to work a lot harder at it than Bobo does.
The wave of anger and condemnation that has come from the Normandy invasion is dramatic evidence that Hitler’s central contention is right….
I know this from authority; I was raised by conservative wolves. There is one and only one translation of wingnut rants about liberals; “liberals have peepees too so they are hypocrits hehe hehe”
Make it fancy smancy, call it “self reliance”, reverse it for the wimminfolk, whateva. Its the same thing; I unnerstand liberals cuz I am a selfish jerk so therefore they have to be selfish jerks too.
I believe the correct reference he was trying to tie to was
“Romper Bomper Stomper Bo
Tell me tell me tell me true
Have all my little Do Bees
Been good today”
Miss Susan of Romper Room.
So I think we may possibly have discovered the tentative beginning of a hint toward a start of essaying an answer to the truly important question: What are women against?
Misogyny & gynophobia are all the rage right now. This
scared little weenie who’s probably never “gotten lucky” in his dreary lifechauvanist is just cashing in on it, is all. tooters w00ters.Hysterical…the manners patrol…;)
Empedocles????? Really?
I’m not sure Empedocles and a certain someone’s ass should be on the same blog at the same time!
James Poulos learned everthing he knows about women from Tarnsman of Gor.
Which is, btw, a stellar example of Conservative Values in Literature.
why are conservatives so clueless about culture?
which is, btw, a great example of Conservative Values in Literature.
…
Why are conservatives so clueless about contemporary culture?
“what you might expect if you were to dump two scoops of over-educated rhetorical flatulence, a half-cup of undercooked thought experiments, a few overly-ripe bon mots, and a soupçon of undeserved self regard into a blender set at ‘blather’.”
Dad-gummit, that’s _my_ schtick! Of course you realize, this means war..
Also, replying to kwires @ 66:
One of my many and varied claims to fame was that I was actually once on Romper Room at WBAL with Miss Nancy. I don’t remember too much of that, but astonishingly, my mother tells me I wasn’t kicked out early. She seems even more amazed than I was.