
Kansas, a state that is so Gawd-awful that Kansas City has been sneaking its own bad self into Missouri (which is no Garden of Eden despite what the Mormons say) for years, is thinking about turning itself into a Paul Ryan petri dish because, hey, why not? It’s Kansas.
Not that they won’t try to fuck it up even more:
Fiscal conservatives in Kansas have turned their state into a laboratory to test reforms similar to the “Ryan plan” for massive tax cuts at the national level — and the result has been a Republican civil war.
Backers of recent state tax cuts argue they will create jobs and boost the economy to partially offset lost revenue, with budget cuts solving the remaining shortfall. The tax cuts go into effect in January, and the Kansas Legislative Research Department calculates the lost revenue will amount to the equivalent of 36 percent of the state budget within five years.
Republican Governor Sam Brownback has described the reforms as a “real live experiment” that proponents want to see implemented at the national level.
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Moderate Republicans, who control the Kansas state Senate with Democratic help, argue that a tax-cut-fueled boom is a pipe dream and lost tax revenue will devastate schools, roads and basic services for the poor, as well as lead to the release of convicted felons.
“The tax cuts will do huge damage to Kansas over the next few years,” said Republican state Senate Vice President John Vratil, who is retiring and refers to conservatives as “ultra right wingers.” “It’s pretty clear that unless something changes we will see dramatic cuts to public services like education.”
So what kind of cuts are we talking about here?
According to a Kansas Legislative Research Department analysis, in fiscal year 2018 (beginning July 2017) the revenue loss would exceed $900 million and the cumulative hole from previous years in the projected $6.8 billion state budget would amount to nearly $2.5 billion. A June 14 Moody’s Investors Service report said tax revenue losses would be “dramatic,” adding that “inaction or the use of unsustainable budgetary measures to offset the loss could lead to a (rating) downgrade.”
Moderate Republicans say dramatic revenue losses will hit public services hard, especially public education, which accounts for 62.4 percent of the current annual state budget.
“Unless jobs come flooding to Kansas, the first place to cut is education,” said Republican Senate majority whip Jean Schodorf, who faces a conservative primary challenger. “We have to hope this (tax cut package) is a success, or a lot of people are going to get hurt. This is barebones, Libertarian government.”
Guess we’ll be able to settle that debate over social Darwinism after all, in a state that already has a complicated relationship with Chuck.
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Kansas, the meth lab of democracy.
I am very curious as to what will happen with this ‘fiscally responsible’ policy.
Actually, we could slice around the edges of Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas and Arizona and create a new nation called, oh, I dunno, Assholistan, and let it be what it wants to be. This new Kansas law sounds like a great start for them.
Yeesh, didn’t realize Kansas had gone so wingnut that the moderate republicans have allied themselves with the democrats to form a block. And guess which teachers will get the axe when they chop away at public education funding? If you said the new wave of creationist/jesus-rode-a-dinosaur science bible beaters, guess again.
The only future these kids will be qualified for is to not grow corn and collect the subsidies like their fathers.
If these crazy assholes have to try their theory somewhere, thank goodness it’s Kansas (although Texas would be a better possibility).
I think very soon the people of Kansas will realize what economic evolution is all about.
I love how a state so largely dependent on farm subsidies (cause, really, that IS their primary source of revenue) considers itself oh-so-libertarian.
As for decimating education—I doubt cuts like that will go over at all well in areas like the US 3rd congressional district (Kansas City, MO suburbs). The third is urban, educated, affluent and (for Kansas) liberal (R+3 swing district). Their schools are actually really good. And the people there tend to view themselves VERRRRRRRRYYYYYYY differently than the rest of the state.
Sounds like what the Tea Baggers want, doesn’t it?
Get rid of all taxes, and hey presto! All problems are solved.
How that works out is beyond me, but anyway, at least some
brownpoor person doesn’t get to drive on good roads fixed bywhite-sheetedTea Bagger tax money. WWJD? Certainly NOT *pay* for instructure that some dirty messican (or worse) drives on. After all, Jay-sus road around on a dino, much like Fred Flinstone did.I say: let it happen. Let these dimwits find out just how fucking fantastic it is to live in the equivalent of Somalia. frankly, I don’t see any other “solution,” because certainly Facts, Logic, Statistics, Information, whatever does absolutely fuck-all to lead such beings to, you know, “see the light.”
And when it fails, as it surely will, they’ll (a) blame Obama, and (b) demand bailouts, inevitably paid for by the blue states, who they will continue to revile as commie slackers. Once they get the bailout, they’ll change the story to “it worked!!” and Oklahoma will try it too.
…lost tax revenue will devastate schools, roads and basic services for the poor, as well as lead to the release of convicted felons.
Not all convicted felons, of course. The potheads will stay in stir. One must have priorities, after all.
Please. Don’t exaggerate. It’s only 36% more hellholish.
I disagree, onitgoes, there are a lot of people who are going to be in a world of hurt, through no fault of their own, if this “experiment” is allowed to play out.
But I can predict the outcome of the experiment: when infrastructure completely crumbles, the lack of skilled labor, and social problems (high school dropout rates, crime, etc.) mount to astronomical levels, businesses will flee the state in droves. Bye-bye, “job creators.” Bye-bye, tax revenues. Bye-bye, middle class.
Of course, the President should have seen this coming 4 years ago. I blame Obama.
muffaroo: great minds…heh!
Where may I send your beverage of choice?
Yes, you’re right. A lot of otherwise “innocent” citizens will be in a world of hurt bc of this ridiculousness.
That said, I’m not sure what else is going to “work” in terms of proving the point that doing away with all taxes just isn’t the “fix” that Tea Baggers think it is. I’m sorry for those who don’t deserve it getting hurt by such measures. Sadly I think the reality is: sooner or later it’s going to happen.
JMHO, of course.
We’ve been calling ourselves Brownbackistan since he and his fellow assholes took office.
If they go bankrupt and have to come to the Federal Government (the other 49 states) for a bailout, I say they have to revert to TerrItory status and give up Federal Representation in the Congress until they pay back the bailout. ’cause otherwise it’s just people voting themselves’ “free stuff”.
Emergency Manager Financial Overseer, Also Too.
Oh well, on the upside it’s possible some Republicans will be killed and rendered for oil once Kansas goes all ThunderDomey.
Carry on, my wayward sons, all you are is dust in the wind
Of course Spain (and others) is already doing this, with Krugman’s predicted disastrous results. But since that is Europe, it might as well be Oz as far as Kansas is concerned.
25% unemployment here we come! And they will still vote for Brownback.
I see what you did there.
Mitt says let them go bankrupt, because free hand of the something something.
Nah.
IfWhen the experiment inevitably fails, the conservatives will just insist that the people who implemented and oversaw it were “too liberal” to succeed.wow, it looks pretty dry. kansas is pretty fucked up.
Precisely! It’s never the theory. It’s the people who don’t live up to it. Practical Calvinism.
Ironic that they hate Mexicans so much, since they’re hellbent on turning their state into Mexico North, with a corrupt, rich, very-lightly-taxed oligarchy presiding over masses of desperate people suffering crumbling infrastructure.
And thousands of poor Repukes will follow them right over the economic cliff, proudly poor and stupid, but sated by aggressive pandering to their Jeebus-prejudices.
That’s mighty nice of you to name the new nation after Rick Perry.
Ironic, isn’t it, that they treat the often and always confirmed theories of evolution and anthropogenic climate change as hokum but they look at their frequently and always discredited economic theories as the axiomatic truth?
Letting Kansans reap the, ahem, benefits of their electoral actions is very tempting. And in many ways, highly appropriate.
If there are any sane Kansans left, they do have remedies. At the ballot box and in the courts. But the opeative word there is “sane.”
Yes, I can see pople flocking in to create jobs in Kansas.
They’ll all live in Kansas City, MO, and commute.
look people, politics is not important when we are talking about planetary extinction.
This is so sad for me personally because I have loved Kansas and and its good hearted people. Even though I have had friends and relatives in its moderate, even liberal Republican history, it now reminds me of the same thing on the Democrat side here in the deep south. These Republicans still calling themselves moderate and bringing with them the votes of moderates siding with the fascists on the basis of party loyalty. They are similar to the as bad Blue Dogs.
In many ways the Milquetoasts of both sides fanatically seeking compromise and afraid of finding the Devil if they look too hard at the “middle ground” are the ones who have sold out the country. Folks there is a devil out there that cannot be compromised with.
In any event I mourn for the center of the country who deserve better.
You just don’t see the wisdom and foresightedness of this approach. They are driving folks out of te state ahead of the climatic disasters that are looming due to shifting weather patterns(can’t say global warming, donchaknow!) They are actually SAVING lives, being in line with their prolifey stance…..
Great tag line.
What will not be experimented with (i.e. cut) under Brownback and his ilk is law enforcement. One of the very first things Brownback did when he got in office was to make sure cops (typically Republicans) got paid. One of his next moves was to cut $50 million from schools. These folks aren’t Libertarians. They’re Fascists who prefer prisons to schools. If I am wrong and they are in fact Libertarians, then let them refuse federal funds.
The irony to all this nonsense about cutting back on government spending is that Kansas is a welfare state. That is to say, it receives more federal money than it pays in federal taxes. The state could not survive without government agricultural subsidy. In fact, the town where I live has weathered the recent depression quite well because the largest employers in the county–the school districts, Kansas State University and Ft. Riley military base–all benefit from government money. If this weren’t here, the town would likely be just another shrinking small town in Kansas. No conservatives that I have heard admit this, of course.
However, all this follows a pattern in Kansas of which Brownback is just the most recent agent. Ever since the failures of the New Deal and Great Society to adequately improve the quality of life in Kansas, folks from Phelps to Brownback to those chronicled in “What’s the Matter with Kansas,” seem to want to self destruct. Lots of people leave the state to avoid the declining quality of life that results. There have been books written about this Kansas brain drain (a decent article here: http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2009/10/29/doughnut-hole-country.html ).
And then there is this insanity: http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20120525/NEWS02/705259824
look people. we are headed toward extinction. please wake up.
The terrorists have won.
Natural selection, it’s a bitch.
hum, let me say, people we need to stop burninging fosil fuels yesterday.
Might do better with the nearest U-Haul franchise.
May I modestly propose this?
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_pjYfCAFgAuA/SlPcre2oS6I/AAAAAAAAAGI/HkS8NMwlJEU/s1600-h/Jesusland.jpg
There are actually some stories and experimentation in planning for the heating and drought — as though you really could without including stopping the dumping into the air — by turning the land back to more native crops and the bison. There is an article in Harpers a couple of months ago about a wheat that is self seeding and more soil friendly, similar to some of the grasses of the past.
I grew up in Oklahoma and we always said these plains were never proper for human habitation.
so what planet are you headed for?
I think their loyalty to the Republican Party is like the fundamentalist Christians to anyone who calls himself Christian. If he is Republican (or Christian) he has to be good.
“I think very soon the people of Kansas will realize what economic evolution is all about.”
As long as they keep believing in the fear-mongered boogeymen that Christians and conservatives keep offering up to explain away poor quality of life, I wouldn’t bet on it. If turning the state into a dust bowl in the early 20th century (despite available contemporary knowledge that would have prevented it) couldn’t teach folks not to plant crops that take more than two feet of precipitation a year to grow without draining the Ogalalla Aquifer to do it, then it will likely take more than the Fascist policies of Brownback for a paradigm shift to occur.
;-)
I’ve always thought Canada would be a nice place to live. Soon it’ll have Kansas’ climate, too!
as climate change evolves, you may have won.
From the standpoint of the GWOT mythology, that is exactly right. Muslims make up about 1% of the population in Kansas, and yet these brave, freedom-loving folks like Brownback need to legislate against the imagined agenda of–at its delusional best–a very tiny minority. But then again, this sort of fear-mongering and irrelevant demonization is what keeps Fascist sociopaths like Brownback in power. The price Kansans will pay for going along with these abstractions and distractions will be the tangible decline of their standard of living. And Lord, that’s a high price to pay.
On the other hand, my loathsome US Representative, Denny Rehberg (R-Hell on Earth), has decided to crank the Republican War on Women up to 11.
Indeed. The problem is much deeper than can be remedied by the ballot box.
Renting a U-Haul is very often what happens. Several shrinking towns in Kansas have taken to offering free (yes, FREE) land in order to attract new residents. I am personally familiar with these efforts in Coffeyville (a place that reeks of refinery fumes, poverty and racism). Even free land has failed to reverse the downward population trajectories in these towns. You literally can’t give the place away.
I stay because my wife won’t leave the country, and the Flint Hills are gorgeous and the hunting is good. Whether or not that is sane, I’m not sure.
Bin Laden’s goal was to sow fear in the hearts of those who see anything or anyone as “different.” As a result, the right has squandered a government surplus on two wars, tax breaks for the wealthy and corporations, and whipped up fear by legislating against foreigners. Anyone who opposes the right is branded anti-American. Bringing down the towers was nothing compared to bin Laden’s achieving his long-term goals. I guess you could say he’s enjoying those 72 virgins now.
But back to Kansas…sharia law, really? Farmers in pickup trucks are going to pull off to the side of the road to pray to Mecca now? Really?
I expect Lawrence and its folk are about the only sane collective left. I was thrown out of Ft. Leavenworth (idiot me – I coulda lived in Atchison!), but as for Kansas?
Keep it.
What? No Florida? Why do you hate Florida?
The people who will be hurt the most are the same people who voted in the wingnuts…..the uninformed voters.
Can I build a slaughter house on my free land? That’ll create lots of
greatwage slave jobs….Can I build a shanty town and company store on my free land too?
Somebody needs to tell Brownback, in a public setting, that he is not a scientist. And even sociological experiments are unethical if they effect people. Plus, he didn’t run on this ‘experimental’ thesis, so he needs to explain why he’s doing it in the middle of a recession. Never mind that giving empty, unreasonable platitudes in response to his critics who are actual economists and government officials in his party who predict the calamity that befalls us as of Jan 2013 if Brownie’s ‘policies’ are allowed to go forward.
The worst part is that most people don’t realize their ‘leader’ wants to treat them like lab rats.
Brownback is not a scientist.
Yep. The gov is far more interested in banning all abortions, for whatever reasons, because wimmens who have sex should just have the baby, dammit! I can’t bear living here anymore.
I’m not so sure. I work for a state university, one of the small ones nobody outside of the state has ever heard of, and we’re likely to rely even more heavily on tuition dollars. Tuition goes up, fewer people can afford college, even at my cut-rate institution.
This is all very sad. But I gotta hand it to you folks, you give great gallows humor.
If the “moderate Republicans” and Democrats are allied as a block in the KS Senate, and if that block controls the majority of seats, then how did this ‘dont collect any taxes’ bill which those moderate Republicans are complaining about ever pass? Are they complaining about a bill for which they voted?
In carrying out the Koch brothers’ social experiments, did it never come up that the Koch brothers obviously don’t want to live anywhere near their company, and did anyone ask if there might be a reason why?
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Was it Bin Laden’s goal to sow fear? It seems to be a pretty good recipe for the owning class. I’m always struck by the similarity of the goals of OBL and the US owning class. I suspect OBL was far less real than the insidious Commie menace of years ago. But I know what you mean.
And yes, sharia law is imagined to be enough of a threat to legislate against it. Phenomenal. If only they were as vigilant when it comes to Christian law. In that respect, they behave in the opposite fashion without a whiff of cognitive dissonance, as Brownback’s self-righteous and power-abusing foot washing demonstrates:
“U.S. Sen. Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) washed the feet of a retiring aide in 1998, according to a Topeka-based political newsletter. Recent calls to his office were not returned, but Brownback told the New York Times this fall that the action was a “biblical model of what servant leadership is.”" http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/01/AR2006040100617_pf.html
When forcing an employee to submit to your religious nut-casery is not only OK, but also somehow indicative of your virtue, the sky is the fucking limit.
Well, I have enough lefty and conservative populist working class friends in Kansas to keep me happy. But they are indeed a distinct minority.
Children?
Why, indeed you can. Coffeyville is a company town dominated by the Coffeyville Resources oil refinery. http://www.enarco.com/refinery.htm and http://www.enarco.com/crefin.htm
However, you won’t want to live there for the reasons I already mentioned and then some. Namely, it has a very high rate of cancer as the city decided in the 1980s that they could raise revenues by burning PCBs (cancer is the only thing growing in Coffeyville) ( http://www.cpsr.cs.uchicago.edu/countermedia/briefings/incin.html and http://lists.essential.org/1997/dioxin-l/msg00187.html ). It was a hotbed of Klan activity up through the middle of the last century. And the combined flood and oil leak several years ago resulted in the east side of town being largely condemned ( http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/07/03/us-coffeyville-refinery-flood-idUSN0343078420070703 ). The downtown “business district” is nearly a ghost town.
For slaughter houses you will need to move west of Coffeyville to the Liberal and Garden City areas (there was a Tyson processing plant to the north in Emporia, but they left town). You will be able to exploit near-slavery labor conditions. And if one of your slaughter house workers gets hurt, it is de rigueur to kick them out the door without compensation.
Enjoy!
The president of Kansas State just announced yet another tuition increase. Taxes amount to only 22% of the institution’s operating budget, and this percentage has fallen by about half a point a year since I have been here. It will dip into the single digits soon. You are right, this will mean no college education for a whole lot of Kansans. Which is fine with Brownback and his ilk because, so far as I can tell, they hate learning.
Why thank you!
It hadn’t crossed my mind to actually live near my new slaughter house/shanty town.
I figure Jackson Hole, WY will be close enough to manage-from-afar my new slave camp. Dick Cheney has a compound thereabouts and if I need advice on avoiding responsibility with an injured (preferably dead, for insurance reasons) worker I hope he’ll drop a little tidbit of advice…
My apologies. Your living arrangements were a poor assumption on my part.
Jackson Hole should be just fine. I’m sure Cheney will be a wealth of proper management information and the correct attitude to take toward your serfs. If he’s not in, you can always ask his wife ( at about 3:00 http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-october-10-2007/lynne-cheney-pt–2 ).
I have cousins in that part of Kansas, but most of my relatives there are in cemeteries.
Why, yes, I have been there. My mother and I went up for a few days, in the mid-90s when we were still in west Texas. It is pretty country, and they really shouldn’t vote for the know-nothings, even if their daddies and granddaddies were Republicans (mostly because it was still Lincoln’s party back then).
Kansas is an embarrassment to the Union, which by the way, won the Civil War. Let them secede along with Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska and Wyoming. And maybe Arizona.
With all due respect, politics is exactly how we can prevent “planetary extinction,” as you term it.
To be more realistic, what we’re threatening with our mucking around isn’t planetary extinction, but the drastic reduction in our population. This has happened before.
Not sure if anyone has pointed this out yet, but Kansas City (the big one) has been in Missouri for … well, practically ever. At least since the invention of the steam engine.
So, yeah, fuck Kansas. We Missourians have our own issues with which to deal, thankyouverymuch.
Since I don’t live in Kansas:
JUMP FUCKERS!
Wingnuts say their policies haven’t worked because they weren’t tried hard enough. I say use Kansas as an experiment & let them go whole hog!
We need a control state to provide a baseline for comparison, a state where Libertarianism has been eradicated.
I volunteer California.
I drove a UHaul out of Kansas 21 years ago from my hometown of Overland Park to points less topographically challenged to the west. I miss the big tornadoes and crickets at night. Once upon a time it was called Bleeding Kansas, when it suffered the consequences for wanting to be a free state not a slave state in 1861. Nicodemus, KS was settled by freed slaves and worth the trip to see it. How sad it has all turned out.
Brownback washing feet? Not surprised. It happened to my Christian roommates when I was at KU. They literally washed each other’s footsies. I
crawledran away–the horrah. It’s just not something dudes do.West Texas is great too. I’d live in the Davis Mountains if I ever thought about raising sheep for a living.
What’s that line about behind every fascism is a failed revolution? Progressive populism is about dead in Kansas. The Freedmen and Exoduster communities have been gone for almost 100 years. We’ve got two Tea Baggers on our city council now.
Hell, it’s not something sane people do. It’s a messiah complex ritual. Jesus was the washer not the washee. If theses people are going to emulate their messiah, could they please start with the love your enemies bit, or at least try to feed the poor? Eh, the only thing they ever seem to get out of the Bible is the control and punishment stuff.
In any event I mourn for the center of the country who deserve better.
Why, exactly, do they deserve better. They voted for the assholes. Its not like the TeaHadis sneaked up on them, or something. Elections have consequences.
Yeah, a few years ago ESU actually had to give money back to the state so it could meet its budget shortfall. Unbelievable.