So… in an interview with the HuffPo, Harry Reid accuses Mitt Romney of possibly not paying any taxes for the past ten years based upon a conversation with a Bain investor. Conservatives lose their shit. Reid repeats his statement on the Senate floor. More shit is lost. Romney butches up and comes back with “put up or shut up” which is laughable under the circumstances coming as it is from someone who was forthcoming enough to share a snapshot of his personal finances from the last year and a half that he has officially been running for President but now crosses his legs and won’t give up the goods for the ten years that preceded them. Then Dana Bash reports that Reid’s source is a credible person. A tsunami of shit is waiting to be lost.
Are we having fun yet?
Yup.
So lets game this out a little further.
Fox News will deploy their in-house “Democrats” and “liberals” to deplore the ugliness of the Reid “smears”. Expect to see Kirsten Powers looking like she is in the process of passing a kidney stone while Juan Williams says that he thinks that Mitt Romney should release his tax returns … but that he also thinks that Reid should not be involved. Evan Bayh will also make his usual cameo appearance as a brighter than usual mannequin, but will have nothing to add, perking up only when he receives his check. Also, Jon Stewart will be cited many times (“Even Jon Stewart says…”) because he is the Get Out Of Jail card of last resort when it comes to Republican panic.
Pat Caddell and Doug Schoen will pen an editorial for either the Wall Street Journal or the Washington Post urging Harry Reid to step down for the good of the country. The ole Perfesser will link to it pointing out that Caddell is a “Democratic pollster”.
The Romney campaign is already squealing like a stuck pig and they will blame the White House of conspiring with Reid on the story, calling it “unseemly” and “undignified”. In an effort to illustrate this unholy alliance between Barack Obama and a sitting senator of the same party, the Romney campaign will deploy Senators Rubio, Ayotte, and Portman, as well as Governors Jindahl and Christie and also sad sack unemployable intern Tim Pawlenty to dispense rage burgers made up of equal parts disgust, anger, and denial.
Harry Reid is the honey badger; he doesn’t give a shit. He has the advantages of being the Senate Majority Leader which comes with a bully pulpit that can’t be ignored, he’s not some bomb-throwing back bencher, and he is a fellow Mormon who, like Jon Huntsman, seems to harbor a white-hot hatred of all things Mitt. Reid is most likely serving his last term in the senate and he’s is plainly tired of fucking around with Republicans and fully intends to bury their standard bearer which can have down ticket implications if depressed Republicans decide to stay home on election day because their top of the ticket prospects look like they are deader than Bob Dole’s dick.
Republicans have to be in a panic (see above). They haven’t even nominated their guy, they don’t trust him, he’s a terrible campaigner, his wife may be worse, everyone hates him, his campaign staff is a clown car chock full o’ bumblers, stumblers and maladroits, his foreign tour was a disaster, the media (which he ignores) is growing to loathe him more than the general public does, and the Republican convention is only four weeks away at which time Republicans are expected to formally tie the knot with him despite the fact that his unreleased tax returns are undoubtedly a ticking time bomb loaded with tax avoidance maneuvers, overseas accounts, and financial 3-card monte.
And this is all so unfair because Democrats aren’t supposed to punch back.
How’s that sound so far?
Still having fun?
Yup.




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“Democrats aren’t supposed to fight back.”
Looks like Harry got in touch with his inner Ralphie.
Hell, Reid used to box for a living. It’s about time he remembered that.
I’m loving it. What can they do to him, besides whine and bitch and moan about how uncivil he is?
And reporters only have to say, “Well, Governor Romney could release his tax returns and resolve the issue, couldn’t he?”
Oh, wait. I forgot. We don’t have real reporters any more.
A man can dream, I suppose.
Every day the nation discusses Reids comments, every day the gop candidate refuses to release his tax returns, causing further speculation, is yet one more day we are not discussing the economy. This is a very, very wonderful thang.
does this mean we can talk shit about obama again?
Thanks for starting my morning with a laugh.
It’s so sad when the honey badger chases you into the Wait-a-Bit tree. The calculus seems to be that there are things so toxic in the returns that they’re worse than tanking his presidential bid.
Has anyone connected the dots between Mitt’s pranks of giving forced haircuts to suspected gay students and the haircuts that employees, retirees, and creditors got from Bain’s predatory takeovers? Cue the soundtrack to Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street . . .
Brilliantly written. Best paragraph ever. Thank you.
Mitt is on my radio from Denver where he is promising all the things he is going to do for us….Don’t bet the house…Very big promises, job, et al
Well, shit Bogg, when you put it that way…..
I agree.
After putting up with years of Democrats not fighting back, its refreshing to see the turnaround.
All in all this should shape up to be a pretty good fall. Pass the popcorn…….
Normally, I’m staid.
But this made me wee myself!
Just a bit, you know.
Great to see it. Hey Mittens, it’s easy to refute this: just release your tax returns. Gotta believe where there’s smoke……. FU Mittens.
Sort of OT, but the woman on the right in the picture looks like a young Hillary Clinton.
Thanks, T. I hope this is the last straw. Mitt is a fucking fuck, with and w/o magic underwear.
So what will Jon Stewart do now? Fuck over Harry again or maybe go after that asshole running for pres under the thug ticket?
Yup I was thinking the same thing. Now if only the Dems would actually pass some progressive policy . . .
Ten years. No taxes. If true. . . could be his bumpersticker/epitaph.
This is the best post ever. I always did like Harry, for stuff like this, when he’s just like, “yeah, I look like your middle school science teacher, bring it, pussy” because you know what’s going to happen then.
It’s about time some of these powerful people started acting like they have some power.
Also, if it’s TRUE? Dying. Just dying.
A.
I don’t know what I’d do without Tbogg’s commentary to start my days
Salon this morning:
Harry Reid’s dirty work
The Senate majority leader lowers himself by trafficking in hearsay. But maybe he doesn’t care
Steve Kornacki
Hee!
Boy, Thanks for the laughs!
This columns made me laugh out loud as it is so well written and so true!
I don’t know how Romney can even continue his bumbling campaign. Jeeze, it’s from one bumble to the next, isn’t it?
A cuppa joe and a brilliant TBogg post. Good morning, Friday!!
We should make it a bumper sticker. I’ll buy one. Let’s see if this guy is hiding something.
” they will blame the White House of conspiring with Reid on the story”
I think the Romney camp already linked Reid’s allegations to the WH–saw it on TPM.
Great post, and the goggie pix in the next link make me very happy.
“You lie, Mittens.” /s
Has Ed Rendell or Cory Booker been sought for their requisite ‘Leave Mitt alooone’ response yet?
I also like Alan Grayson and who’s the dumb ass with the photos of hisself?
I agree with everything except this:
These guys couldn’t cook up a bowl of oatmeal, let alone a burger of rage.
At least Mitt isn’t President; he’d have to attack someplace to divert attention this sequence from developing as described….
Anthony Weiner, or as we call him in Casa Athenae, Tony Schlong. Because you can’t NOT be a stupid manwhore with a name like that.
He also seemed to be a perfectly fine Congressman, despite being a pretty spectacularly shitty husband.
A.
Or worse yet, William Jefferson Clinton will chime in with a “leave Mitt alone” plea.
Few Democrats seem to have learned anything from Willie Horton and the Swift Boat attacks.
The thing is, Harry could be making an actual true statement.
Just like “I think Mitt has invested in internet gay porn syndicates” could be true.
I think the statement “Romney did business with bin Laden LLC” could be true.
“Romney made millions off the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan” is also something I believe could be true.
The fact that some people believe “Mitt Romney shorted Bear Stearns, made millions and crashed the economy” doesn’t mean it couldn’t be true.
Although Harry Reid hasn’t said it, I think Romney is afraid to hear anyone say “Mitt made millions as a no-show partner in firms that got contracts for the SLC Olympics.”
I believe he would be upset if someone said “Romney was a silent partner in a scheme to harvest kidneys from the world’s poor.”
This could go on and on, but really? Do you think Mitt wants to hear anyone say “Mitt Romney- funder of sorrow, agent of despair, purveyor of misery and death.”
Hmm, I was thinking the one on the left looks like a young Antonin Scalia.
I liked Jesse Taylor’s tweet last night: “Harry Reid has collected all the fucks in Washington and refuses to give any of them to anyone.”
Mitt Romney made millions off the recession/bail out/housing bubble/health care reform…..oh, use that last one. Yeah, Mitt made consulting fees of writing the health care legislation. Damn this reckless speculation is fun! Good thing stuff like this has no consequences…oh, wait.
I’ve made my comments on Harry and the usual liberal “we don’t lower ourselves” [and therefore we keep losing to these idiots who do].
Just wanna say about the photo – I’m so old, these girls could have stepped right out of my yearbook. dark cardigan, check, jumper, check, shaped, teased and sprayed hair, check. Damn, clothes were boring then!
The Senate majority leader lowers himself by trafficking in hearsay. But maybe he doesn’t care
This from the guys who are busy telling us they really DO believe the president was born in Hawaii, at least, that’s what they’ve heard him say…..
Excellent list, more please, maybe a diary?
Best single post you’ve ever written, T. (at least during the couple years I’ve been coming here.) Can someone break down these predictions in easy-to-read list form, and check them off as they come to pass?
I was also about to say that maybe Reid should save it for the third quarter or the start of the fourth, like in mid-October. But better to act now, while Willard is still sitting on the tax returns.
Who’s tougher: The Harry Badger or the Romney Badger?
Hey, Athenae!
Mitt Romney’s general election slogan should be as follows.
“I’LL RAISE YOUR TAXES WHILE I CUT MINE.
VOTE FOR ME CUZ AT LEAST I’M WHITE.”
Too blatantly true. Needs to be wrapped in moar flags and carry moar crosses.
I’m pretty sure his master, Lord Sauron, would be glad to hear it.
Except he’s not, since as has been noted Dana Bash is claiming Reid is right. Also, Kornacki sounds like he’d rather write at Slate.
I’m not sure what to think about this. Maybe David F., NA will deign to way in with his profound insights.
T, This post needs to be seen around the internets. Linked to it over at my place. I have dubbed Mitt3PO’s tax follies Mittendödgentaxengate,which allows me to indulge in a rare usage of the umlaut.
Agree with the sentiment that this is one of your best ever.
let’s play follow the leaker! Dana Bash does a lot of reporting on Republican inter-party politics and obviously has a lot of connections there, but she is more in tune with the dwindling “mainstream” Hill Republicans rather than the teabaggers. So if she knows someone who 1) is a Bain investor and 2) has inside knowledge of this issue, my money is on someone who was fairly high up in the McCain campaign and who had either direct access to or credible second-hand knowledge of Mitt’s tax returns. And I’m also betting that the full charge – not paying anything for ten years – isn’t true, but the kernal of truth is probably something along the lines of, didn’t pay diddly for several years, took a lot of questionable deductions/dodges and it looks really bad, which is why McCain passed Mitt up and why he’s NEVER gonna release those returns. And if I’m correct, then harry Reid is the smartest person in Washington because Mitt will never be able to refute anything Reid says, and Reid might as well say Mitt took out a tax dedection for funding a combination abortion/pet euthenasia clinic ’cause Mitt won’t be able to prove he didn’t.
Gorgeous and most likely super accurate assessment, cmo3p.
I have excoriated Rethugs in the recent past for being more than willing to burn the country down economically in order to deny Obama a second term. Tax Dodge-gate (start a meme, it’s fun!) shows they are such hate-filled individuals that they are willing to do it to each other if they detest the other guy enough, and wow, do a lot of them detest the Mittster!
Righteous rant, TBogg, and exceeding your already high standards. Kudos.
That said, and no disrespect intended, perhaps a Shorter might be:
Conservatives are whining about dastardly liberals who’ve done something dastardly. How dare they??!!11!!
Willard Romney; douchebag photobomber.
I love the smell of Waterloo in the morning…
“Give a guy enough rope and he’ll hang himself”
O photo caption, wouldt that you were true…
Best article I have read in a long time.
This was the perfect opportunity to elect a republican, the right has obama derangement syndrome and they choose Mitt.
this guy has run for POTUS how many times and has millions of dollars and this was the best staff he could come up with?
I think the question now should be, “Why do republicans hate America so much that they would try and elect Mitt?”
Oh, and show your damn tax forms!!!!
In a court of law this would be shouted down immediately as hearsay, and it’s worse: the source of the hearsay is not identified.
There’s a lot wrong with Mitt Romney, and I’d prefer to concentrate on that mountain instead of an unsubstantiated claim about his tax liability.
I’m with Jon Stewert on this one, Tom. Harry Reid should put up or shut up.
Then you’re bringing a featherduster to a gunfight.
I should also add that Romney has played this exact card himself.
I rest my case…
Feather Duster…
Okay, you asked for it, Tom.
One of the things that differentiates us from the Ann Coulters, Glenn Becks, Sean Hannitys, Andrew Breitbarts, Tucker Carlsons of this world is that we don’t do this. You may argue that we must fight fire with fire but I disagree.
To do so is to abandon the soul; to do so is to abandon every thing that defines what it is to call yourself “liberal”.
This isn’t a court of law, it’s a court of Public Opinion. Your Milquetoast response is what’s been wrong with the Democratic Party for years.
Within a court of law, it’s called hearsay, and outside of a court of law it’s called slander. Senators are protected from this charge if they make such statement on the floor.
I disagree with your contention that my party needs bigger assholes.
Bullshit tends to snowball.
and if Romney did pay taxes over the last ten years then Romney is “truly a victim of a Liberal Conspiracy” and all the bullshit loopholes he used won’t mean anything because Mitt is “just a victim of the Eye-leet ME-dee-ah and Chicago politics”.
So let us hope Reid has accurate information…
Well given that you got a response from TBogg, I presume you are not the normal Concern Troll.
But the hypocrisy of saying that Democrats have to be more civilized, and therefore TBogg, is dumb to the third power.
This is politics, and Harry (and TBogg)is playing it as it should be played.
When it looks like they should be thrown a life preserver, one must put that anvil out there instead.
Think of it as how Romney can demonstrate his mettle in his responses.
Yeah, the most awkward person in the world showing his mettle.
Chris, I know that you’re not one of the “I blame Obama” loons so I’ll just say that I respect your opinion. I understand that we’re supposed to be better than that but I would rather get down in the gutter and win in order to be in the position to do things that are better for people in the real world.
After watching what they did to Bill Clinton for 8 years and what they did to John Kerry with the Swiftboating I have no qualms about taking the low road.
Besides… it’s more fun.
and if Romney did pay taxes over the last ten years then
He’d be an appalling choice for President. See, that’s why I’m kind of trying to get past this, it simply doesn’t matter that much.
Let me just say that if you are judging a candidate by his tax returns, you’re not trying hard enough. Democracy is, as Andrew Shepherd counsels, advanced citizenship, and requires due diligence. Lotta work.
or Obama.
I don’t know, sounds like your saying if someone kicks you in the balls for the last 30 years, your wrong if you kick him in the balls back.
I agree, gentlemen don’t kick people in their balls, but if balls are going to be kicked anyway, you might as well get some in.
we’re judging him on a plethera of items.
we’re kicking him in is balls over his tax returns.
Hear dat, Tom, and apologies for the crankiness. Call me a feather duster again, I triple dog dare ya.
Come up to L.A. and I’ll stand you a drink.
If Mitt Romney went to great lengths to avoid paying taxes I really think that says a lot about how much he has invested in seeing to the United States’ best interest versus Mitt Romney’s best interests.
If Harry Reid is correct, I guess we know who Mitt is looking out for.
Appalling choice for president if he did pay taxes? Was that a typo?
Thanks again, Ralph!
If Mitt Romney went to great lengths to avoid paying taxes I really think that says a lot about how much he has invested in seeing to the United States’ best interest versus Mitt Romney’s best interests
Everyone [laughing] in this country does their very best to pay the least possible amount of federal income taxes.
Are you actually saying that you are more of a patriot if you don’t?
Why is this even a question?
Christ!
When your opponent looks the wrong way, or his boxing glove is loose, or he’s miraculously ineffective in his attempts to pummel you, well, gee, only a roughneck would think of hitting him then — or ever! What you do is wait for him to collect himself, and then offer your chin to him. To do otherwise would be to risk not being a gentleman!
No Chris, not everyone.
And yes I am.
Arthur would like everyone to not use the term ‘attack dog’. As a Shar-pei, it offends.
‘Enkew.
Turing the other cheek is getting tiresome. It’s about time the Democrats fought back and Harry’s doing so. Republicans have been knocking us down, then kicking us in the throat for years and all we can do is say it’s not fair and it won’t stand up in a court of law?
Fuck that.
‘Show us your Worth Certificate’!!!1!!one!
Damn straight! Which, by the by, I’ve seen christians devolve into people who argue Jeebus was all about discrimination and turn the other cheek meant to show your disdain for the other fellow.
Maybe you’re willing to lose in order to fulfill your abstract view of yourself, but I hope the Obama team is not. There’s just too much at stake this time.
Millions of people will suffer in very real ways if Romney wins. If making the bastard puke up his tax returns is going too far then maybe everything the conservatives say about the gutlessness of liberals is true and we deserve a future that resembles the world of “Rollerball.”
Thank you, Harry Reid.
Unless it’s true.
You’re proceeding on the assumption that Harry Reid made this up, or was grievously misled. But what if it’s true? What if Mitt Romney did not, in fact, pay taxes for ten years?
What then?
OMG, Harry Reid would never have started this “he said-she said” unless he knew there was “smoke”. Romney wants to be KING, and to rule the subjects who have no right to question. Or in other words, he wants to enhance his resume by adding “served as President of the United States from XX to XX”. What is frightening is to think of what the bullet points under that tenor would be.
He’s a WITCH! BURN HIM!!!
But I guess if you’re a muslim or a Kenyan or a socialist or we suppose you are we can all scream it at the top of our lungs. Fuck that. Romney can get out of jail free with the release of his tax returns. This guy makes specious and spurious arguments all the time and no one ever calls him on it or seldom holds him to it for very long. A little medicine is good for the soul. And I really, really agree with what someone else said. If this fuck gets elected we are all in for a very bad time. And I say that not being particularly enthralled with Obama. It’s just that romney is resident evil. Fuck him. Swiftboat is what he deserves along with his tea party friends.
At this rate, I halfway expect Romney to announce any day now that he’s quitting the campaign to spend more time with his money.
Where do I send that royalty check?
Heh!
Sorry Switzerland/Cayman Isles/etc.
You fuckers have been licking his naughty bits. He’s all yours.
I’ve seen one piece where the headline uses the word ‘unfounded’ do describe Reid’s remarks. Somehow I don’t think so.
I figure that anything Romney is supporting at any given time is either supposed to get a teapartier to vote for him, or it’s something that he’ll get money from, somehow.
He does meet the minimum requirements for president, but he’s about as qualified in real-world terms as the half-term governor of Alaska.
True. When one of the presumed RageMasters is frickin’ Kenneth the Page, the rage potential is somewhat limited.
T, this is one of the best things you ever did (so far, for me). The discussion is even better. It’s easy to sit back and call the other guy, Rmoney, in this case, a simpleton, thieving, lizard-brain greedhead. Or take the high road, and call him esteemed opponent.
But this is politics, and there are only two rules- Get Elected; Get Re-elected. Our man Barack is trying to get re-elected, and he’s going up against, not just Mittzy, but the whole fucking crackpot apparatus that is today’s Republikkanz. Damned straight we’ll bring a howitzer to the gunfight. We’re going to need it.
Such is the state of our Empire. How bad can it get, under the jackboots of Mitt & Co., Inc? A helluva lot worse than under Barack & Crew.
This attack has legs. The establishment press was going to be nice to Romney and try to ignore it, but Romney himself is keeping the attack alive by his own dipshit responses to it.
Are you so numb from the neck down that you don’t pay attention to what is going on in this country?
People are seriously hurting due to the economy, which has been ravaged by a pack of amoral high finance hyenas. Romney is one of those hyenas.
You can say everyone does whatever they can to avoid taxes, but that sounds like bullshit to a normal person. And someone like Romney has extraordinary measures he can resort to in order to avoid paying taxes. These measures are probably only available to a few thousand people in the entire country. He’s been using them while enriching himself by playing games with thousands of lives. You’re damned fucking right it’s okay to question the bastard’s patriotism.
And now you come along with your bloodless, high-minded argument about how it’s unconscionable to ask His Lordship about such things.
Why not just grant him the “right” of prima nocta for your (hypothetical) daughters? If you’re going to grovel before him just get it over with, chuckles. Maybe he’ll let you have the high honor of laundering the sheets after the (hypothetical) blessed events.
You’re starting to make me sick over here.
The high road in a swamp is still a swamp. Pretending they’re too good for politics makes people bad politicians.
A.
Oh for God’s sake. We’re saying the guy should make his tax returns public, which is something every serious presidential candidate has done since 1968, and you think this is some sort of political soul-selling? Exactly how gently must we treat Lord Mitt so that we maintain some bullshit moral high ground?
And every politician in this country does their very best to crush their opponent. Are you actually saying that you are a better human if you don’t?
You seem to be making the case that Romney’s use of every legal (and questionably legal) means of tax avoidance is perfectly ethical while Reid’s use of every legal means of political warfare is disgustingly immoral. I don’t buy that at all.
I appreciate your desire for a more polite and kind society but we don’t live in one, never have, and never will. Read the book “The 48 Laws of Power” and you’ll understand what makes people like Romney and Reid tick and why they are wealthy and powerful and we are not.
Oh, Chris, please!
Now, you’ve made me soil my hankie!
What Reid is doing is brilliant. What a many good parents and all good lawyers do. He knows his accusation is true. He going to get Romney to back himself into a corner, with a firm, unequivocal answer. He is going to get Romney to lie, or to release. If Romney lies, Reid has gotten Romney to doubly damned himself. If not Romney simply releases. It’s a win-win or a win situation.
Now it’s about timing. Can’t do it too soon or the Republicans will have time to regroup. Too late and it won’t have time to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. Again Reid has the advantage, knowing his source is willing to come forward. His source can just come forward at the optimum moment, claiming that he could just no longer live with keeping the information secret.
Lyndon Johnson once accused a political opponent of bestiality. Supposedly, Johnson said “Hell, I don’t actually think he’s a pig fucker, I just want to make him have to deny it.”
Not to mention that,even as he was calling Reid out, he followed it up with his own little spurious attack “We’ll probably find it came from the White House.”
Maybe there’s a deduction for retro-baptizing the feti his investment Stericycle incinerated.
Yes, but Chris, not everyone in this country thinks they should be president.
Here’s a guy who’s been running for president for 5 years. Prior to that, he was a governor and he ran for the Senate. In other words, he’s had high political ambitions during the entire time for which he allegedly paid no taxes.
Now, your average human being, which the Mittbot is not, would have realized that using dodges, loopholes, and various other tricks (hiding money offshore, etc) to escape ALL taxation on a quarter-billion dollar fortune creates what’s known in politics as a “bad optic.” Yet Lord Romney, as he’s made clear over and over again, follows the Leona Helmsley principle, that only the “little people” pay taxes, or apparently, follow the rules. There’s something in his character so deeply flawed that he felt like he deserved to not only get away without paying any taxes on his income (and why should he? They would only go to help all of us undeserving poors.) but that he should also be rewarded by being awarded the presidency, which would prove once and for all the only principle Romney really holds – which is that Mitt Romney is better than you and me.
I feel the same way about this as I did about Martha Stewart getting caught at insider trading: yes, Martha was the victim of a political prosecution – had she been a Republican supporter, she probably never would have been investigated. But you have to ask what the fuck is WRONG with a billionaire who is so fucking greedy that they would break the law and risk prison for the sake of a measly $250,000, which is what Martha did. Would Martha’s lifestyle have suffered in any way without that $250K? No. In much the same way that Mitt’s lifestyle would not have suffered in any way had he paid taxes.
I see this whole episode as an opportunity to open up a discussion about what the fuck is wrong with the obscenely wealthy. As I noted at roy’s, we as a society are treated to TV shows which feature mentally ill people who are unable to let go of physical objects. We all tsk-tsk these poor souls, most of whom seem to be clinging to things to compensate for losses in other parts of their lives. But what about a billionaire who’s willing to risk prison to hang on to .025% of their total wealth? Isn’t THAT an illness as well, to be so obsessed with piling up money, even after you have more than you could ever possibly spend, that you’d risk giving up your freedom and all the niceties your wealth provides you, in order to hang on to something you’ll never even miss – particularly when you can look around and see people in real need on all sides? And yet we’re supposed to idolize THESE mentally ill people, because instead of hanging on to things, they’re hanging on to something they can use to trade for things. What’s the difference? I don’t think there is one, at root. Both are a form of mental illness. In Mitt’s case, the illness caused him to avoid taxation on his fortune, which he had to know would pose problems for his desire to become president and prove once and for all that he’s better than all “you people.” How else can you explain away a guy who’s “earning” probably $12 – $20 million per year, without so much as lifting a finger, in investment returns off his huge stash of money, feeling that he should do everything humanly possible to avoid paying taxes on ANY of it?
It’s a sickness, I tell you, and it would be a good thing if everyone recognized it as such.
Asking questions isn’t slander. In truth, there’s a little rule in the corporate documents which ensures that doing such things by members of the fourth estate (or ‘whichever estate’) is authorised….
It’s only slander if it isn’t true. All Mitt has to do to refute it is release his returns.
I agree with cmo3p @ 49. Harry knows something, something really bad for Mitt. And that it may all be perfectly legal will only make it worse. Win-win.
FDR was a rich motherf*cker, too, and appeared at an even worse moment in our history. The difference is FDR didn’t abandon his family’s progressive record, and he had had enough personal tragedy to know money can’t buy you immunity from anything. Romney is a spoiled rich kid, he wants the presidency and he’s going to buy it.
What a silly phuckin discussion this is about what “we” should do or not do. Harry Reid should do what Harry Reid want to do. Everyone else go do whatevery you want to do. Reid is a former boxer. And a good one. He knows how to fight a ‘clean’ opponent, and how to rabbit punch or headbutt a dirty one. I trust his judgement on the type of opponent he is facing. Save the cries for Marquis of Queensbury Rules for the opposition.
Here is why Harry Reid is doing the right thing:
Got it, folks? Hiding the tax returns hides the ins and outs of how Romney set up that humongous IRA — an IRA that is much, much bigger than what the law allows.
So – he’s putting more than $2000 a year into it?
This seems to me to be a sign of the desperation of the Dem faithful because it is having little effect on Willard’s supporters. The election is still a dead heat even after all of this and his foreign gaffs.
The Dems can’t elect a dogcatcher on their own without the help of Independents and many of them seem to think not paying taxes is the Amerikan Way and should be admired.
The Obama camp has nothing positive to run on so they are trying the negative attack which works for the Repubs but never has been effective for them because they are usually guilty of the same crimes.
My, this thread has gone on a long time…thus proving Phoenix woman’s assertion that the story “has legs.” I’m on the side of using whatever will keep Romney from being elected.
JennofArk – love your comment.For me, the implication is that although, for some unknown reason he wants badly to be president, he wants every damn penny he can squeeze by whatever means he can far more than he wants to be president. Otherwise, he’d have assumed he’d be releasing the returns and been a good boy all these years he’s been running.
I missed the part on Rachel Maddow’s show where she revealed his “tell” for lying…but if you ask me, it’s that simpering heh-heh-heh nervous laugh that precedes all his answers to questions about taxes, quotes of his lying, wealth, destroying jobs, etc. etc. It’s not only obnoxious, it happens whenever he’s about to tell a whopper.
You sound like a concern troll.
The election is not “a dead heat”; at this point, the president has 290 electoral votes in his pocket compared to Willard’s 191. The only states that look to be up for grabs at this point are Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida. Even if Romney wins all of those, he still doesn’t win the election.
You may be correct that “many” of the Independents think not paying taxes is the American way. That would leave “many” who think otherwise. I’m pretty sure that a lot of folks out there do not look kindly on a rich dude who doesn’t even work using tricks to get out of paying taxes that they, themselves, pay on every penny of income they EARN through working. And if they don’t, it’s up to the Dems to point out to them why they should.
Here you’ve got this guy who wouldn’t miss the money if he had paid the taxes who’s spouting off about increasing military spending and all this other pie in the sky bullshit while at the same time promising tax relief for America’s beleaguered multi-millionaires and billionaires, with a tax plan that will shift even more of the burden onto people who are barely getting by as is. In other words, he’s big on the patriotic idea of spending more on the military as long as he’s not the one picking up the tab. And it wouldn’t be all that hard to get a true Independent to see that. Mitt Romney: He’s a patriot with your money. Hands off his.
As for Obama having “nothing positive” to run on, just 3 days ago millions of women in this country for the first time qualified for birth control without a co-pay. Millions of other Americans just got refund checks in the mail from their insurance providers, and millions more are able to get insurance despite a pre-existing condition, keep their kids on their policies, & etc. Millions of gay people for the first time have a true ally in the White House – one who has unequivocally stated that they aren’t second-class citizens and he doesn’t believe they should be treated as such.
By and large, the guy has delivered on the big promises he made when he ran 4 years ago. If that’s not “positive,” it’s because you didn’t agree with any of those promises in the first place. You shouldn’t make the mistake of believing that the people who voted for him then agree with you.
She pointed out that when he’s challenged on something like this, he wants the challenger to ‘put up or shut up’, while he does nothing to refute the actual charges.
There’s a transcript with video clips here.
Fixed.
But we’re not judging him by his tax returns. We’re (or we’re hoping the electorate is) judging him by his hypocrisy and mendacity.
This is not a principle debate between Horace and Plato [picked at random - sit down, classics majors!] Its politics of the “ain’t beanbag” school, which has been the case in the US since the country was founded.
You rock Jen, round of snaps for you.
Two links for our concern troll:
President Obama at 237, Willard the Tax Dodger at 206 with 95 in play…
Nate Silver: 300 to 238 for the President as of 8/3…
This is one of the best comments I’ve read anywhere in a long time, front to back, and considering the usual solid level of comments here in the first place, that’s saying a lot. Well said, Jenn, as is #107.
Most of us would settle for paying the same tax rate as Rmoney does, instead of subsidizing his car elevators and disco ponies.
Go get ‘em, Rachel!
I think what Mitt is really worried about revealing is the thousands of loopholes he and the other Leeches are using to scam the rest of America. I wonder if they’ll kick him out of the club house?
“Trust Me”, you say Mitt? Fuck off, Leech. Please spare us your grunts of innocence. You aren’t trustworthy!
I wouldn’t trust Willard as far as I could throw Chris Christie.
I’m afraid that Mittens believes that success in business is calculated on the numbers of peoples’ lives ruined.
OT, but HippyTrackTownUSA alum Galen Rupp wins first medal for US in 10K since 1964.
Each time Galen’s blown past me on one of Eugene’s running trails I’ve thought “Hey, he runs just like me except he’s not clumsy and slow and, hold on, where’d he go”!
I take normal deductions. I’d be happy if it was just easier to understand. I do my best to avoid getting an audit or penalties. But then, I’m just a schmoe, not a galtian MOTU.
A couple of points:
1) Dana Bash didn’t quote her own source about Romney not paying taxes; she cited a source who vouched for REID’s source. It’s still hearsay, but in going on the attack, Reid has forced Romney to abandon his “none of your fucking beeswax” defense of his secrecy and go back to his even weaker “I paid the taxes I was supposed to pay” line. Reid has forced Romney to “put up or shut up.”
2) Stewart mostly took Reid to task for invoking George Romney and claiming he would know what George Romney would think of his son. Besides it being quite possible that Reid knew George Romney well enough to make the statement, Stewart then indulged in exactly the same speculation by contending Papa Romney would probably be proud of his son. Not Jon’s best work. His show has propped up numerous examples of forced balancing lately. And who knows? Maybe George thought Willard was an asshole.
3) Judging a candidate by his tax returns might in itself be shallow criteria for making an overall judgment of his worth, but since he has released one year of returns and one *estimated* return he is inviting speculation — and getting it. His privileged wealth and his selfishness are totally germane to the election.
4) The idea that Romney’s economic plans haven’t been brought up by the Obama campaign is counter to the facts. The campaign has jumped on Romney’s economic vision from the start and has made it the keystone of the campaign.
Right.
“Many” independents hate getting nickeled-and-dimed by the tax laws, but I would bet a nickel and a dime that “most” independents hate the idea of a guy dodging tens of MILLIONS in taxes even more.
Much more eloquently, you have raised a point I’ve always wondered about regarding mobsters, gangsters instead of banksters. The popular depiction of these guys — and I give the popular depiction credence — is a bunch of mopes sitting in crummy restaurants and warehouses figuring out who they need to kill to bring in even more money than the money they’ve got that they don’t seem to enjoy much beyond the Ba-Da Bing freebies and free mortadella sandwiches (which will prematurely end their mopey lives.) After you’re set, what the hell is the point? And then I quote “Key Largo.”
Johnny Rocco: There’s only one Johnny Rocco.
James Temple: How do you account for it?
Frank McCloud: He knows what he wants. Don’t you, Rocco?
Johnny Rocco: Sure.
James Temple: What’s that?
Frank McCloud: Tell him, Rocco.
Johnny Rocco: Well, I want uh …
Frank McCloud: He wants more, don’t you, Rocco?
Johnny Rocco: Yeah. That’s it. More. That’s right! I want more!
James Temple: Will you ever get enough?
Frank McCloud: Will you, Rocco?
Johnny Rocco: Well, I never have. No, I guess I won’t. You, do you know what you want?
Frank McCloud: Yes, I had hopes once, but I gave them up.
Johnny Rocco: Hopes for what?
Frank McCloud: A world in which there’s no place for Johnny Rocco.
Crazy Galen?
Way to go!
Out running and out kicking the Ethiopians and Kenyons is crazy wild!
Bring on the dancing horses!
There’s gold and silver involved so it’s a story almost like Mitt’s except entirely different…
A superb post, Mr. Bogg.
You be the judge:
Watch for the news around mid-August–shortly after the Rethugs anoint Mitt. April may be cruel; but August is the slowest news month….
A very wealthy Hamptons dweller who made his millions in real estate, and who has supported both parties, agrees with you. As a matter of fact, he seems to be of the opinion that after OWS, which was the first time the wealthy in Manhattan actually were forced to face people daily who were suffering, the conservative 1% are scared shitless of “the poors.” He advocates that the rich buy themselves some “insurance” by supporting a tax hike on the richest 1%.
Of course as someone pointed out on another site, private security is cheaper. But really, when the world starts going to hell, do you really think that armed security guard who lives in a 1BR apt. on the wrong side of the tracks–real-estate-wise–is going to cover your monolithic rich white whale-butt?
I think not.
Statistically, the election will be close to a dead heat until the very end. There are approximately the same number of people who plan to vote R as D. It’s estimated that there are only 1-3% of the voters who are undecided AND who will bother showing up at the polls on election day. The Rs and Ds are fighting for as little as 1% of the vote from this point on. And possibly to see how many of the other side will be disgusted enough to stay home.
And your point was?
What you said.
Weird Andy is live twittering before today’s race. Dude’s got butterflies! Go Weird Andy!
If the Mittster sent McCain twenty-odd years of his tax returns back in ’08 there must be dozens of copies all over D. C. by now. Harry’s probably had the goods for years now.
Yeah, Mitt put those returns on the table next to Harry’s and Nancy’s returns. And leave room for Obama’s birth certificate and college applications.Harry keep the focus off of the Kenyan’s accomplishments.
One spent some of his childhood in Kenya, the other in a kennel.
And nice Gerald Seymour ref in the headline, Mr. Bogg.
Egggzacktly.
FDR essentially told his fellow one-percenters “Look here: Either you go along with the New Deal or the masses are putting your heads on pikes.” Most fell into line, but the hardcore holdouts formed far-right groups like the Birchers and invested heavily into Edward Bernays’ PR to lull Americans into passivity. But it looks like even the most refined PR campaigns won’t save the Hamptons folk when society collapses.
Huh?