Internet Magic-Math Wizard Nate Silver currently blesses President Obama with a 83.7 % chance of winning on Tuesday and this distresses Mike Flynn (who writes for Breitbart these days because he was too stupid and sociopathic to continue on at Reason — if that is possible) who thinks that Silver has been intentionally making shit up this election season in an effort to influence the future and keep “leftists” fat, sassy, and to Flynn’s point of view, overconfident:
There is still a necessary discussion of how meaningful even an objective polling model would be in estimating American elections. But, that will have to be another day. It was a great disservice to our understanding of elections when someone decided that politics was a “science.” There is a certain hubris inherent in leftists like Silver, believing with determinist fervor that if we simply can get the right mathematical equation and perhaps calculate out another few decimal points, we can predict with 100% accuracy the outcome of an election.
When the history of the 2012 election is written, Silver deserves prominent attention. In the aftermath of Obama’s debate debacle, Silver has been the left’s oracle, reassuring them that everything is fine. His influence has been such that the Obama campaign didn’t make any real course corrections in response to Romney’s momentum. When the left wakes up on Wednesday, surveying the electoral wreckage around them, they may regret allowing themselves to be lulled into such a false sense of security.
Silver ‘splains stuff that Flynn will likely dismiss as mathematical hoo-hah, bushwa, folderol, and mumbledygooky:
Although the fact that Mr. Obama held the lead in so many polls is partly coincidental — there weren’t any polls of North Carolina on Friday, for instance, which is Mr. Romney’s strongest battleground state — they nevertheless represent powerful evidence against the idea that the race is a “tossup.” A tossup race isn’t likely to produce 19 leads for one candidate and one for the other — any more than a fair coin is likely to come up heads 19 times and tails just once in 20 tosses. (The probability of a fair coin doing so is about 1 chance in 50,000.)
Instead, Mr. Romney will have to hope that the coin isn’t fair, and instead has been weighted to Mr. Obama’s advantage. In other words, he’ll have to hope that the polls have been biased in Mr. Obama’s favor.
[...]
To be exceptionally clear: I do not mean to imply that the polls are biased in Mr. Obama’s favor. But there is the chance that they could be biased in either direction. If they are biased in Mr. Obama’s favor, then Mr. Romney could still win; the race is close enough. If they are biased in Mr. Romney’s favor, then Mr. Obama will win by a wider-than-expected margin, but since Mr. Obama is the favorite anyway, this will not change who sleeps in the White House on Jan. 20.
My argument, rather, is this: we’ve about reached the point where if Mr. Romney wins, it can only be because the polls have been biased against him. Almost all of the chance that Mr. Romney has in the FiveThirtyEight forecast, about 16 percent to win the Electoral College, reflects this possibility.
Yes, of course: most of the arguments that the polls are necessarily biased against Mr. Romney reflect little more than wishful thinking.
Nevertheless, these arguments are potentially more intellectually coherent than the ones that propose that the race is “too close to call.” It isn’t. If the state polls are right, then Mr. Obama will win the Electoral College. If you can’t acknowledge that after a day when Mr. Obama leads 19 out of 20 swing-state polls, then you should abandon the pretense that your goal is to inform rather than entertain the public.
But the state polls may not be right. They could be biased. Based on the historical reliability of polls, we put the chance that they will be biased enough to elect Mr. Romney at 16 percent.
I predict that should Nate Silver be anything less than 95% correct about this race, there is a 100% chance that conservatives will declare him to a big fat failure, albeit a thin one of small stature, but a failure nonetheless.




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In some ways, even more than the re-election of President Obama, I’m going to enjoy pointing out to any and all innumerate rightwingers that they are now faggy Nate Silver’s bitch.
“Army Group Steiner will save us- erm, the state polls could be wrong!”
What I find funny is how they keep harping on his alleged non-masculine appearance, implying that he’s gay because they can’t use their preferred attack involving anti-Semitic slurs – that would upset Bibi Netanyahu, Sheldon Adelson and the rest of the Likud Party.
He forgot “jiggery-pokery.” And Poland. Heh.
Ah, but they have the canned response all ready for you: “Voter Fraud!” (Which they commit the most of, but they’ll never admit that.)
Because let’s face it, if it turns out that Nate Silver has The Math, that would mean the little gonif stole it from Karl Rove…
Well, Karl never figured out how to use it.
About half the trolls I see on newspaper sites get their information from Breitbart (who’s still dead) and a bunch more are being fed by Forbes.
Why they think those are reliable sources of information is outside my knowledge.
Have they considered the possibility that Nate Silver himself might have biased the polls in favour of Obama? It would explain everything.
Gosh it’s just so difficult determining who has more credibility: Joe Scarborough? or Nate Silver?
Not.
And the Jets would win the Super Bowl if they would only let TEBOW play. I have the math to prove it,
So he’s going to accuse Silver of thinking he can predict the outcome of the election with 100% certainty because Silver says Obama has an 83% chance of winning?
That makes sense.
Sam Wang would make their little heads explode.
Nate’s biggest failure is thinking that polls are used to determine which candidate’s campaign is more popular with the electorate and forgetting they are merely clubs used to intimidate people into voting for the one who looks like he is going to win.
Loser!
Maybe this has already been covered, but if Nate Silver was making up statistics that predicted an almost certain victory, wouldn’t that depress the voter turnout of Democrats and actually help R-money?
Why the fuck would anybody listen to an effeminate, four eyed, pencil necked geek? Who cares about his “math” and his oh, so liberal “science”? Those things are irrelevant compared to his perceived lack of manly man qualities! Give me a drug addled blowhard who busts Viagra scrips’ opinion any time!
/Dean Chambers
Certainly seems to be having that effect on Portland.
Multnomah County
Ballots sent out 453,039
Ballots returned as of 11/2 164,471
36.3%
One more thing: Hari Seldon is a (fictional) man. Harry Potter is a (fictional) boy. Trying to make fundie heads explode then, are we? ;)
You know, if I looked like Dean Chambers, I might think twice before making remarks about other people’s looks. I’m just sayin’.
Nate Silver is actually The Mule, who can see into the minds of voters and manipulate the emotions of Republicans, playing them like a two-credit visi-sonor.
This all fits in with The Quantum Theory of Mitt Romney.
Uncertainty. The rules of quantum campaigning dictate that no human being can ever simultaneously know both what Mitt Romney’s lead in the polls is and what that lead will be at some future date. This is known as the “poll uncertainty principle.”
Tunneling bitches. Get some!
If I was a betting woman, which I’m mostly not, I’d guess he’s somewhere on the Asphgerger’s Spectrum. Details, details, details.
Not that it matters what he is, except correct. :)
This is the funniest part of that curiously well-named theory:
Mathematics and science have well-known liberal biases. Don’t believe them.
I don’t like Obama, whom I consider to be a fascist and a closet Republican. However, I will take pleasure in the shit storm that erupts among angry, white, deluded conservatives who have been fooled into thinking that Obama is a socialist. It will be interesting and entertaining. I look forward to hearing the word secession used with flecks of spittle from bug-eyed, red faces.
Right-wingers don’t even know what a socialist is. They see no difference between socialism and communism.
Wednesday morning: pop, pop, pop. What’s that, you say? The sound of tiny little heads ‘sploding, Lucy.
I am hoping it will be enough to scare the Republicans away from the “Grand Bargain.” It’s about the only hope I have left.
…determinist fervor
…hand me them entrails, JimBob
That would be Mr. Silver, if you don’t mind. This is the NYTimes and the proprieties will be maintained. Second, why would the Wingnuts give a shit about what a left-wing commie who writes for that Socialist rag has to say? He’s obviously a shill for Bammerz, so what’s the big problem? Could it be that his reasoning is sound and he has been shown to be extremely accurate with his predictions? Is this a set-up for a Diebold Ohio surprise? If Husted pulls a Ken Blackwell there will be hell to pay. I don’t want to be a left-wing conspiracist, but Husted has been blatant and I wouldn’t put anything past him. Other than those musings I’ll go with the effite lefty with Aspergers (which I accused him of 4 years ago…not that there’s anything wrong with that).
What with all the Objectivist-worshipping on the right wing, you’d think they’d LOVE Nate and all his math.
Mathematically and theologically speaking, I think this is evidence that they don’t love Objectivism per se, but simply love a theology that proclaims selfishness to be a virtue.
It has not been covered to my knowledge. I, too have wondered what the advantage is of overstating the chances of your candidate. It could very well depress the vote for Obama.
Where is the former economics editor of the Atlantic to ‘splain all these maths and such to us when we need it (if only for sh!ts & giggles)??
Great. 80%. You a gamer? How many time have you rolled a 1d6 and gotten a “1″ instead of a 2 through 6? That’s 83%. But if that happens, everyone will say “Silver’s a fool”. BS.
The formal theory name for this would be “Romney’s Cat”. However, since we KNOW what happened to his dog, I think we really do know what the future holds. I hope they can hose Romney down after the campaign bus makes its last stop.
PDX here. Haven’t voted yet. A lot of people I know haven’t either. There’s a couple of measures people seem uncertain about, and the mayoral race.
Huh-uh, huh, huh, he said “Wang”. (/butthead)
Absolutely. Not to mention that Hari Seldon is a fictional scientist and Harry Potter is a fictional wizard. The latter in a series of seven books which have made the author a billionairess and which don’t mention God even once.
If that’s not evidence of a conspiracy I don’t know what is.
This is why Obama’s been quite content to allow the “it’s too close to call” meme to be pushed; they don’t want to leave anything to chance.
Now I’m imagining Harry, Hari and Nate settling down in a bar in the Adams-Morgan neighborhood, talking tradecraft.
Now there’s an image I’ll treasure. See, the conspiracy runs deep, even to Our Nation’s Capital, also known as Sodom on the Potomac.
Oh, and Harry will have probably brought Hermione along as she’s the only one of his close friends who could hold her own talking with either Nate Silver or Hari Seldon.
Portland has the worst time choosing a mayor. Good luck with that choice. :)
The fact that you don’t comprehend the math used by Silver tells everything. Go back to Fox News and hope your mommy fills your bottle.
Events continue to fully support the conspiracy theorists. Obama maintains a nice lead in the swing states–i.e., right where he needs it–and nowhere else. That’s just so incredibly convenient–like the good job numbers, right when Obama needed them. Maybe it just proves there’s a God, huh?
and THAT is a big ef’fin’ DingDingDing
Or, it’s akin to the phenomenon which occurs when someone aims their shots at 10 targets, rather than 50. If they have any skill, the bullet holes tend to be spaced more closely around the ten they aimed at. Of course he also shows leads in New England states, mid-Atlantic states, and California (which, I guess, are not “right were he needs them), and no chance whatsoever in the Confederacy.
The job numbers, although erratic, have tended to be on a gradual upward climb since appliction of the insufficiently Keynesian stimulus. The recent numbers require no great leap of faith based on the prior trajectory.
Don’t tell them that he also holds leads in all of those other states that aren’t swing states, California, New York, etc, that he leads in fact everywhere except deep red Republican states, or it will blow their whole theory. Shhhhh.
Strictly speaking, he does actually need them, I mean if he lost California and New York then Ohio wouldn’t even matter. Just saying.
Yes. I was attempting a little sarcasm to make the point you make in 44.
I mean 47.
Nate Silver was invented by Spike Jonze && Charlie Kaufman for entertainment purposes only … please, no wagers and bring your popcorn … Being Nate Silver has gotten into their heads …
btw, the x-factor inflection point mover for this election will be the reinstatement of leftist teat sucking ‘standard time’ over job-creator ‘daylight saving time’ … this is also under the control of one Nate Silver (Jonze && Kaufman) …
For those who appreciate their Twittertainment, there is at least one Nate Silver parody account. I kinda like it – it’s reminiscent of the fine work by Kim Kierkegaardashian – but of course in all matters of aesthetic taste, YMMV.
The parody account has attracted at least a couple denizens of Team Drool-cup – who I suspect don’t realize they’re twitter-yelling at a fakey 538 – so there is that.
Liberals and Democrats in general are lazy, shiftless moochers. The extra hour of sloth will give them a temporary advantage lasting several days. This will invigorate and energize their loins to craete an insurmountable edge on Tuesday.
I take umbrage at that comment. Hai Seldon was not a scientist, he was a mathmetician. Hari Seldon is not a fictional character. I use that nom de plume as my internet alias.
First time I’ve ever seen it on a political/satire blog.
WOO! WOO!