I blame God. Guns are the only way for men to have multiple orgasms.

Every spring, we drive my 11 and 8 year old boys the 25 minutes down the road to Sandy Hook School for a soccer tournament. I know the road where all those parents are waiting in dread suspense.

How the fuck…..?

How?

Fuck Tucker Carlson. Fuck the NRA. That’s all I got.

What can anybody say?

I wonder what the wing-gun-nut argument will be this time? That if only all the teachers in the school had been carrying, this would never have happened?

Were they legitimate shootings? Childrens’ bodies have a way of shutting down forcible shootings. If a kid doesn’t want to be shot, his or her body will reject the bullet. So technically, what happened in Connecticut today wasn’t a shooting massacre.

Dead children are the legacy of a bunch of fucked up people in a country with a fucked up culture that worships guns, tough guys and violence perpetrated by heros and gods.

Dead. Fucking. Children. You own it, you craven, shameless sons of bitches. You fucking know who you are.

Rather than respond with hate and rage, I think I’ll just go home tonight and hug my kids extra tight.

And money….don’t forget the worship of money. Hooray for Capitalism !

X2

Wayne Lapierre should have to stand naked in front of the Capitol while listening to the parents of dead children. I can’t imagine the horror and pain of the grieving. May they find some small bit of peace.

do both-they are not mutually exclusive

Didn’t take you very long to turn this into a political issue. Jeezuz, doesn’t either side have the decency to let the grief sink in before soap boxing it? For the love of whatever you consider holy…

You know what? The majority of people in this country are just fine with the occasional kindergarten slaughter, as long as their right to bear as many arms as they fucking feel like bearing is not infringed. So fuck all the sanctimony and handwringing. Deep down inside people are OK with this, because if they weren’t, something would have been done about it a long time ago.

Fuck you.

Yes, fuck you.

As Pierce said the last time this happened, where are all the responsible gun owners? Shouldn’t they be the ones demanding laws that regulate the possession of firearms? Shouldn’t they be the ones outragde that this kind of massacre takes place in our country over and over?

Until that happens, it will just be the “commie liberals” who want to take our guns away. And that’s exactly what the NRA is counting on because it will shut down any debate about gun control.

The time has come for real leaders of this country to come together and say in one voice to the NRA and all their ilk, “FUCK YOU.”

(As if it hadn’t come already.)

God damn.

And yes, add me to the list with commie atheist @14 and Knox @15. This IS political – specifically, the totally unsurprising consequence of a certain type of horribly toxic U.S. politics in action. Own it, bitchez!

the right wing will never care about shoouting until right wingers are the victims. How many conservative politicians have been killed since JFK-ZERO

The NRA’s hold on our political leaders is obscene. It will require much more work than a collective “fuck you.”

I feel the hate and rage just as much as anybody around here, but it has to be channelled into the hard work of changing the surreal cultural fascination with firearms.

They may not be mutually exclusive but they are not equally productive. Reacting with hate and rage will only perpetuate the cycle.

I consider children holy.

I do not consider guns holy, and I’m tired of presiding at the funerals of people killed by gun violence.

As for waiting . . . If it’s raining and my roof is leaking, I want it fixed now, not next month after my grief over the damage to my house has sunk in. If the power goes out, I want it fixed now. If the river is rising, I want the levee reinforced now. If it’s snowing, I want the street plowed now, not when the temps get above 50 degrees.

And if my country is seeing gun violence day after day after day, I want to talk about maybe perhaps possibly trying to somehow address it.

In the past men used their cars as their ego. Now it’s guns. They act as if they would wither away and die if they didn’t have those military style guns. The shooting today is most certainly political – only politicians with some sanity can make laws that will stop this. Too many children have died, not to mention adults. And it’s getting worse.

Yes.

NYT says shooter’s mother was a teacher at the school and he killed her first and then continued shooting. No one has said if he killed himself or was shot by police.

And may I say, Sir, fuck you.

The NRA argues that if you have gun control, crazies will still try to kill people with other means. Today twenty-two people (including a lot of children) were stabbed by a psycho at a school in China, but no one has yet died.

Yes. I should spend the day saying my “thoughts and prayers” are with families. That is always helpful as opposed to pointing out the coming push back against anything that might keep more kids from being slaughtered.

Thank you for your wise counsel…

The more details come out, the more horrifying it becomes.

I don’t know where you’ve been, but it’s been a political issue for years. You want to use current grief as a shield for your point of view. That’s sick.

If only all those kids had their own Glocks, this could have been avoided. Christmas is coming, it’s not too late to get one for your child. PS Fuck the NRA

Please will everyone at least e-mail or write to the President. We need to get people stirred up about this tragic nonsense…..we don’t all need guns.

Fuck you.

Thanks Tbogg, this needs to be said and it needs to be said as harshly and as brutally as you said it. This country’s fascination with guns is a mental illness, period.

Yesterday my Gov (Colorado) said that the time has come to discuss gun regulation in the upcoming legislature. My thought yesterday was “wow, I guess he’s not interested in ever getting elected again”; my thought today is YES IT IS GODDAMNED TIME!

Fuck you.

You’re going to have to shout louder. I can’t hear you over the pile of dead bodies!

This seems like another chance for you to praise Obama for his tireless crusade to help the meek. Or is he powerless this week, I forget?
I have trouble keeping up with all the cognitive dissonance repression techniques and what tortured logic is necessary to support the lesser evils.
Lets see.
Repbulicans, NRA, still bad. Red States like Connecticut with no gun control laws, bad. Killing American children, still bad? ohh, I mean unless Obama signs off on it… Killing American children without the proper permissions, still bad. Lack of decent mental health services, still ok. whew, that was a close one.

Lets all hold a rally for the Democrats so these Republicans murderers can be stopped. We not going to take this killing of children any more. Well, American, Connecticut children with all the proper skin tones and religions
afflictions that aren’t “in the wrong place, at the wrong time”, or weren’t deemed valid military targets.

Its nice to see Dems stand up for their principles.

Why aren’t you using YOUR magic wand to fix things?

This seems like another chance for you to write another entry into your diary about how Obama, your (imaginary) boyfriend just totally ignores you and hangs out with all those pretty cheerleaders instead of focusing on the important issues — YOUR FEELINGS.

I mean, fuck the very real fact the president doesn’t wave around a magic wand and immediately address and then change this cruel, cold world so that you can FINALLY feel vindicated and smugly declare you were right all along and that if people just heeded your deep insights and profound wisdom we’d all be merrily dancing and singing and loving one another because the real world just needs some magic!

I echo the sentiments sent to the shithead earlier, fuck you.

Between fritter and darkcycle, who is the good troll and who is the bad?

I have no interest in getting between tweedledumb and tweedledumber.

When all you have is a hammer, Obama always looks like the nail.

Oh, and I echo the sentiments of comments 14, 15, 26, 33, 35, 39 and probably more.

And the usual argument that if schoolteachers were armed, this would have ended much sooner. Ignoring the fact that the average citizen’s care and attention to driving a car vary widely and we can extrapolate how much worse it would if every road rage incident involved guns, how do first responders feels about scenes like this with multiple shooters, none of whom are trained or in communication with each other?

The NRA is a manufacturers lobby. They make money on every tragedy like this. Any argument against commonsense legislation, be it about guns, drugs, alcohol, marriage rights, stems from a threat to someone’s revenue stream. The TeaParty sent out an email today urging its followers to send them $45 to bombard congressional offices with FAX spam. It’s all about money with these people, little Tucker Carlson included.

George Lincoln Rockwell. that’s one..

there will be absolutely no progress mad eon this issue. The RW has become a cult, and guns are one of their saints. We might as well try to convince a Scientologist that that L. Ron Hubbard was a conman as convince any reichwinger that maybe, just maybe, easy access to guns is a problem in this country.

Oh, and fritter and darkcycle can fuck each other in very pleasant ways…

Let me put an Amen to this and what puravida, Owl and most the rest of you have said and said much better than I could. I’m having a hard time getting past raging and Fuck Fuck Fuck! right now. I want to show respect and grief for these poor children but I want to hear today asshats like Hannity, Beck and Limbaugh come out and try to make a defense of this.God damn every fucker that supported every effort to have sanity in our regulations, god damn every fucker who has made money and found positions of power off it and god damn everyone of us who has let it happen just for good measure.

Until Wayne LaPierre or his family IS MURDERED BY SOMEONE WITH A GUN, nothing will happen. Maybe that should include Tucker and his family TOO!!!!

I like it that the “White House declines comment on gun policy…”. In practically all of Obama’s commiserative speeches about the rash of massacres following the one in Arizona in which several people were killed and Gabby Giffords was maimed, the word “gun” did not appear.

It is very, very, important that president Obama hang onto the political clout which he came in with…the second time…instead of squandering it by aggravating the american right and particularly, the chicken-dicks in the NRA, by specifically talking about guns and the ease with which they can be obtained and used.

He just “called for action”…presumably that means…calling for action…without any specifics as to what action we need to take.

Of course, to be fair, “gun” is a very complicated word. It’s difficult to define and hard to pronounce. He’s probably wise to avoid using it in his quarterly expressions of condolences to the families and loved ones of slaughtered innocent people.

I believe that it’s safe to say that Barack Obama isn’t going to “soap box it”.

I mean, we’ve had…what? 3 separate massacres during his 4 plus years as president, and while the tears and sympathy flow copiously, the idea of using the pulpit for anything other than tepid and meaningless grousing about the fact that the american right is taking advantage of the huge leadership vacuum with which he’s gifted them, is clearly anathema to him. In fact, he’s still busy, building bridges to the republican party.

Just curious here, but do you figure anyone else in the US should be doing anything. You know people like state governors and legislatures and congress?

Thanks, peterr. With some people, it’s never “a good time” to talk about it.

And fuck you, darkcycle.

Fuck you.

Fuck you, too.

Love the sexy gun ads. “DPMS Tac-2, 500 rounds, six different loads, bullet weights of 55 to 75 grains, without a single failure.”

Yep, DPMS Tac-2. The very best there is. When you absolutely, positively got to kill every motherfucker in the kindergarten, accept no substitutes.

You mean to say that no wingers are seeing Obama’s hand in this as part of a plot to ban guns and throw gun owners into re-education camps? Didn’t he cause hurricane Sandy in order to get elected?

Stop making sense. You are clearly upsetting the Democratic Party, latte’ liberal hypocrites here.

And another great big Fuck You, Motherfucker.

In its wisdom, the Michigan Legislature, the most radical right wing legislature in America, has just approved a bill that will allow patriots to carry guns in churches, malls, stadiums, and yes, schools.

It will certainly be signed by our NERD governor Rick Snyder. It’s just a matter of time before Sandy Hook Elementary is overshadowed here in the Wolverine state.

I was an assistant principal for over ten years and what happened in Connecticut today was easily my worst fear. I never contemplated having to deal with an irate parent carrying a Glock.

Maybe it’s time for all of us sensible people to join the NRA and make a change in that organization.

Madness, simply madness!

And you can have a big, steaming cup of his fuck you for yourself and pass some along to good ol’ tanbark whose sole response to anything bigger than a mouse fart is that the president hasn’t acted.

In fact, take all these fuck yous and go have a merry motherfucking fuck you party together, you collection of fuck knuckles.

As much as he irritates me on other issues, Mayor Bloomberg of NY is the only sane politician in the country when it comes to guns. And it hasn’t hurt him politically at all. Call the fucking NRA’s bluff, President Obama!

Congrats, TBogg. You have unleashed a disgusting display of vitriol. Blaming the NRA and by implication the Republicans won’t do a damned bit of good. Why not look for the real causes of the insanity that permeates our American culture?

Oh, yeah. You yourself PROFIT from it. It’s all just a political game to you and those like you who slam the one decently humane post on this thread.

You’re as sickening to me as the gun nuts you criticize, maybe even more so, because you should know better.

OK, I’m done. All you latte’ liberals can say “fuck you” to me now. I won’t respond here. But I do look forward to the day when all of you reap the whirlwind that is coming.

Hypocrites.

Did you read what that asshole said? Just let the grief sink in before saying you have a mouthful of shit. Fuck you too.

OK, so I lied. One response. You are pathetic. Hope you can find your way from mommy’s basement to the bathroom to pleasure yourself.

Bah! Some of us can when we find the right woman. Obviously, you ain’t her.

So much fuck you, so little time.

18 kids were murdered! 27 people all in all! We’d better blame us some… DEMOCRATS AND BLOG COMMENTERS!

…As a writer hobbyist, I really dislike these people, not just for the obvious reason, but because I couldn’t write them without people saying “come on, no one’s that cartoonishly evil”. To quote Wodehouse, “I’m not allowed to make money from it, but it is dashed well allowed to inconvenience my life!”

What I meant is that real leaders need to step up and collectively say “fuck you” to them. We don’t need more groups working hard to create change. We need leaders taking leadership and doing what has to be done.

As Dday wrote in the post that was published immediately after this one by TBogg:

The political leadership of the country long ago turned over gun policy to a trade group called the NRA which is primarily concerned with profits from the sale of guns and ammunition.

It’s time for our leaders to take gun policy back and lead.

Blaming the NRA and by implication the Republicans won’t do a damned bit of good.

Yes, it will. Of course, it’s just a start. I wouldn’t leave out blaming the Democrats who failed to stand up to the assholes.

As I said, you NRA defending bitch, fuck you. You’re the shit on our shoes and your stink is recognized by every decent human being in this nation, so, as I said, fuck you.

Good God. I hope Michigan is lost to the Republicans forever. And the rest of the world looks at us in horror. I look at Michigan in horror (in the same way Granholm does). I love that woman. We’ve gone insane.

Everyone takes a little piece of this but, sorry, the assholes at the NRA and the Republicans get a special fuck you from me. Look at what they just did in Michigan.

A lot of fuck yous due to several in this thread, but a very special fuck you goes out to darkcycle. I suppose it’s not occured to him/her that these events have become so frequent that if we “take the time out to let it sink in and grieve,” there will NEVER be a good time to address it, because by the time we’ve processed the last mass shooting, another one has occured. Just this year: Aurora, Sikh Temple in Wisconsin, shopping mall in Oregon, now this school in Connecticut, and I’m sure I’ve already forgotten at least one or two horrendous mass slayings that have happened since Jan. 1, 2012.

So, bitch, when IS the right time to talk about the mass shooting last month, without being disrespectful to the victims and survivors of the mass shooting last week?

Republican guvs and state leglislators have been very busy pushing through carry laws for just about any sentient being and also concealed carry so we can’t tell who might produce their guns and start shooting in a restaurant, bar, or place of workship. Don’t forget schools….

I really don’t understand what was so terrible about what that poster said. “Let the grief sink in?” Or maybe it was the “holy” part that triggered the kneejerk fanatical atheist reaction? I don’t know.

I do know that we don’t even know most of the facts about this horror at an elementary school yet. And I see you all and, if I go to a rightwing website, “they all,” as the target of TBogg’s original post did, using the death of CHILDREN to make political hay.

Don’t you see that’s just sick? What’s WRONG with you people? Oh, yeah. Cmaukonen already pegged it.

You are an ignorant idiot. I was not defending the NRA. When was the last time you peeked out of mommy’s basement, trust fund baby?

Fuck you, and darkcycle, too.

I’m multitasking, sorry if I’m a bit brief in fonts.

So you’re saying that spending the day making a great show of having a sad about the today’s events is a very effective strategy for hopefully making sure this won’t happen again.

Who knew?

Electoral genius.

Look, Bogg’s, Obama has a proven record of failing everything we proggies want and stand for, so your defense of him is, palpable at best.

But yes, invoking the prez on this one is just plain butt pluggin schtoopid, and we can’t fix the schtoopid.

I’m STILL not sure what to do with you and your DIM faith . . . given all the evidence it’s corporate fascism that owns Obama, and all of them.

Someday, maybe we can tawk about this lil facet of reality you never comment about.

;-)

Unfortunately, the Wingnuts own most of the guns….

Ohio Barbarian, you are such a true Contrare Warrior.

Tan, Tan, Tan, Tan, Tan.

I miss yer fonts. The only proggy in a reddest of red states.

And you pick, too.

We good.

In fact, he’s still busy, building bridges to the republican part corporate fascists.

Ya had a typo, I tried to fix it for yas, seein’s how we’re such good buddies and all . . . wouldn’t want other folks to get the wrong impression of yas, ya know.

*G*

I’m lookin at an audio disc for dobro, G tuning, music theory and the Nashville Numbers. Two things I JUST improve upon to get taken seriously.

Shoot me an email, hoss, lemme know what sorts of carvings and builds and tone rings yer into! Miss ya.

I won’t answer for Tan, but I’ll chime in.

There will BE no other responses or replies or actions by any other actors that were either erected or annointed.

They don’t represent us, we the people, by any means and you know this.

They all DO represent the interests who paid for their erections and annointments, in full and such, and as that goes, there will BE NO FURTHER ACTIONS OF MEAINGFUL CHANGE wrt to the status quo of gunz, crazzies, killingz, or such.

N you know this, so I’m sorry I had to retype it all. ;-)

Ahhh yes, another one of the “we have wisdom you mere tools could only dream of ” crowd comes in a-chortling and a hawing about the evil Obama.

Yet another firebagger who only wishes others could see how evil the evil monster Obama, who refuses to do anything about anything or anyone because … I don’t know, cheese?

He’s a fucking politician and damned skilled politician who works with other skilled politicians ruling a wildly diverse and fractious nation, but again, until he manages to do something that fits YOUR narrative, well, he’s just a failure and we’re just refusing to discuss your take on it.

Join Tan, Dark, that Ohio fumbledick and enjoy your cup of fuck you as well.

WTF is sick about wanting this to stop?

“Maybe it’s time for all of us sensible people to join the NRA and make a change in that organization.”

Sadly, there’s no place for sensible people in the NRA. And the only way you could hope to make an impression on the MI Legislature is if every mother of a school-aged child swore an oath to knock off the local politicians if anything like this ever happened in her kid’s school, then bought a Glock and went to target practice every week until attaining sharpshooter status. That would definitely get their attention. Of course so would voting them out; but shooting the bastards is cheaper.

On this we disagree hoss.

That idjit is stirring up shit in a Fox Faux way that all good Xtian’s do, tears and all, while turning the knife embedded into yer backside to ensure a mortal wound.

Swaggart et al would be crying at the money this fuck could pull in with his shit.

Lets trot out the shit about Obama now. Can we talk about the real problem instead of your fetish about fascism and Obama?

Again, you blithering sack of shit, fuck you. You have nothing to offer and I don’t need time to grieve I need time to vent about motherfucking shits like you who think that attacking one of the most dangerous elements of our society — nearly unfettered access to weapons and ammunition — at the time another motherfucker has taken advantage of that nearly unfettered access to murder 18 children. Their families need time to grieve, I don’t, I have the time to take on fucksticks like you.

Wow, hit a nerve did I?

N you fail in every aspect to address my comment, but you EXCEL in every extant to besmirch and misconstrue and misrepresent my actual words.

So, as it’s in vogue this diary, despite it not being an OFFICLAL FDL Fuck Thread:

Fuck you, you fucking fuck.

Why has your concern suddenly switched from Obama to the that of the dead children?

Yer funny like that, so are most of yer ilk.

Um, you need to tell Karl, your talking points don’t work no mo.

Oh, Karl, yeah, even Faux News booted his ass.

So, yer working for Koch or Peterson? By the reply, or by the font character?

I read your comment after assembling what is below. While I agree with you that politicians need to ultimately take a major leadership role in this, they need to know that people like us have their backs, and in a serious way, given all the money that the NRA will be using against them. If I were a politician, no-way/no-how would I go into a campaign unarmed and alone.

I listened to former (one-term) Congressman Tom Perriello (VA-5) today on Kojo Nnamdi’s show, and was reminded why I like him so much; he’s the only self-declared pro-life person I’ve ever donated to, who actually compromised on his personal views to vote for Health Care Reform, and he paid dearly for it. Someone like that could play a really valuable leadership role in an anti-NRA campaign, which is a true pro-life stance that all REASONABLE people could get behind.

OK, having inserted some extra bloviation, my original comment draft follows…
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We need an initial political victory against the NRA and its pals along the lines of the Battle of Midway (wildly optimistic), or perhaps more realistically, the Battle of Manzikert. I wonder if some carefully selected “off-year” (non-Presidential) local elections might be a good way to start; in fact, a BETTER way to start than a Prez election?

For example, I’m thinking along the lines of Virginia’s elections next year, where the odious Ken Cuccinelli (also too) will be running for Governor in 2013. Virginia has seen its share of gun-related tragedy (example), and has a strong base of (mostly) non-insane voters in its northern region (suburbs of DC, basically).

Colorado might be another good choice for similar reasons (Aurora shooting, and a fair amount of Dems as I understand), though I don’t know their voting schedule or political demographics quite as well.

If the remnants of Hussein Obummer’s campaign machine are willing to pitch in on this, so much the better. But their original senior leadership cannot be expected to take charge like Moses and lead everyone to the Promised Land. I’m pretty sure that ain’t gonna happen (for one, a number of those folks will be in the next Administration). Needs to be more grass roots – coordinated nationally and statewide, certainly, but with minimal central control. Needs to be local people who know the local politics and players. Nationwide efforts can concentrate on phone banking and carefully targeted media buys (we ain’t Sheldon Adelson, thus the need for proceeding with stone cold analytical determination).

The wingnut contingent made slow-but-steady progress over the years at the Statehouse level, culminating in a disastrous 2010 election that allowed them to gerrymander a bunch of House districts and keep the USHoR, despite the fact that there were three MILLION more votes for Democratic USHoR candidates in the total nationwide popular vote. I think this ‘act locally’ approach has to be the way to go here as well.

My fetish, my reality, about corporate fascism, is well spent.

That Obama is part of it all, should be of NO news to you, who posture yerself as knowledgable and forensic in all matters.

And ya took my Obama mentions totally out of context with respect to the themes of this thread and diary.

So, open eyes wide, Blue, see the big pic.

Yer killin me, I think it’s been proven that when we the people galvanize around ANY issue that threatens the political funding of any politicians bent, we lose.

I’m saying, there IS no way for your Unicorn Plan to work, it fails from the reality before us. But, nice painting, flowers, love the horn on the pony, and the rainbow sparkle glitter out its ass, but it’s not REAL.

And I for one, am NOT stepping up for any policy that will fail, or will support the status quo as is, which is what you are pitching like another bottle of Dr. Feel Good from the carney wagon side.

Please.

“Humboldtblue you ignorant slut, how could you be so stupid.”

Still one of my all time fav SNL lines, evah.

To satisfy your curiosity, the governors and state legislatures are generally even more shit-their-pants scared of conservatives, and particularly, gun-nut conservatives, than is Obama.

BUT! He IS the preznint, and if he wants to raise an issue, then goddammit, it gets raised.

So far, he’s helped bury any serious discussion of more regulation of guns, about 6 feet down. As with most substantive and hot-button issues, he’d rather drink an ebola-virus margarita than risk one micron of political clout. For him, it’s much better to have Boehner and the rest of the assholes steadily peeling the flesh off his bi-partisan ass, one strip at a time, than it is to bring something to the point where he will fight for it.

About a year ago, someone on here posted a little bit of laser-truth:

“Obama is the most risk-averse president since Rutherford B. Hayes.”

(I think that was the preznint he was compared with…)

Sweet christ, you’re insufferable.

“When all you have is a hammer, Obama always looks like the nail.”

Well, for 4 years the republicans have been hammering the living shit out of him, and I’m still waiting for you to tell us how this is going to change in the next 4 years.

New drinking game:

Everyone knocks back a couple of shots of Jack Daniels on the evening of every day that goes by without Barack Obama uttering the word “gun”.

Both him and the Ohio guy. Both out to troll on the tail of this atrocity. To quote Jed: “Pitiful”

I still have tears fall down my face, I do not even have the snark right now.

I’m so glad that we have a politician “skilled” enough to avoid talking about the fact that it’s a piece of cake for a crazy son of a bitch to walk into a school and start slaughtering children with a weapon whose only purpose is to kill human beings.

Your bar for presidential leadership is so fucking low a goddamn cockroach could crawl over it.

And, figuratively speaking, 4 years of this lame-duck reacher-outer from now, the republicans will be able to dig up Ronald Reagan’s mummified carcass and run it….and win.

Fuck off, Tan. You repeat the same lam-ass shit over and over again, you have no grasp of political reality and you assume you have something profound to say all the while you’re just beating up a keyboard with plaintive wails about effective government.

You’re fucking understanding of national politics is so fucking shallow a cockroach couldn’t drown in it and your concern trolling is as tired as a teabagger bromide.

Run for fucking office, present me with any form of political accomplishment and then maybe I’ll pay attention to you.

Figures your nonsensical bullshit is highlighted by a shitty line parroted from a shitty comedy show. You’re a fucking parody of a firebagger, only denser and sillier, sort of like Tanbark with a stutter and a propensity to type out meaningless platitudes about the woeful state of political theater.

How about you have a nice bag of salty dicks to go with your cup of fuck you?

The fap-fap-fapping of the purity trolls about their purity and something-about-Obama, when there is an actual, you know human tragedy that happened is just…predictable.

It’s why I call ‘em “purity trolls.”

Some of them even have that under-the-bridge/old-cave smell too.

There is nothing wrong with wanting all this shit to stop. But I don’t understand the vitriol. Somehow, I don’t think even the NRA would defend blowing away a bunch of schoolchildren with a gun.

Look. We don’t know why this 20 year old, last I heard, killed his mother and then a bunch of kids. I don’t even know if he had legal access to the weapons he used. It doesn’t matter. You can figure out why a screwup created the mess he did, and then somebody else has to still clean up the mess.

I submit that it is the basis of our socioeconomic system itself, capitalism, combined with gods know what, that somehow caused this shit. You usually don’t find this type of behavior in more “primitive” cultures, because the first duty is the survival of the group or the tribe. Capitalism relies upon individualism.

What happened here was an individual going off the reservation, so to speak. And this happens a LOT in America. There’s something really, really wrong going on, but I don’t think it’s the weapons themselves or even those who think they have the right to possess them.

It’s something else.

I agree with you. There IS an actual, human tragedy here. It is the Democratic apologists and Obamabots trying to make political hay out of it whom I find disgusting in this context, not Obama himself.

You’re Emo Dad, aren’t you? Man, I thought I was a glass-half-empty kind of guy; you DEFINITELY have me beat in the Surrender & Despair category. But hey, having been in these parts long enough, I kind of knew your views in such matters, which is why I would never engage in the futility of addressing such an inquiry to you. [Freedom to respond is yours regardless, though, at least until Obomber comes to kill you.]

I am curious, though: Do you have some prototype for a national leader to which we should aspire, one that would work in this fucked up Empire that considers itself an adorable li’l Republic? I’m curious, since you’ve been walking the planet for awhile, and (IMO) seem to generally be more thoughtful than the Purity Pony squad.

For my part, I do not have such a single prototype. Even our best leaders were flawed – yeah, humans suck – and Teh Founders especially: what a collection of drunks, slaveowners, and all-around jerks they were!

I always choose the leader who offers the promise of less Evil. Yeah, I know, I settle, but gosh darn it, there are so few other options, so gotta go for what you can get. On this matter, I’m mostly with commenter MBouffant in this exchange with another commenter here back in June:

Orig. Commenter: But why do you support Obama then? I don’t get it. The guy’s a mass murderer like Bush and a tool of the corporations.????

MBouffant: That’s the job description for U.S. President. Until you get HR to change the job requirements, we won’t see any better candidates.

Yours for down-scale cynicism …

And like MBouffant, I too sign off –

Yours for down-scale cynicism,
Meepmeep09

That doesn’t even make sense, it’s so snarky. Come on, man, you can do better that THAT. Don’t insult my intelligence. I’m not one of your followers who is deficient in that category, and you know it.

Your original post wasn’t so bad. You justly slammed Tucker Carlson. That’s never such a bad thing, IMHO. It’s the swarm of insectile minds that follow you that make me want to break out the Raid.

Motherfucker, nobody told you to come in here with your oh-so-serious-head-shaking-poo-poohing of the “latte” liberal hypocrites.

What’s your motherfucking point? You don’t have one and that makes you dull, so why don’t you adhere to your earlier statement that you were leaving and go wherever it is you go to shake your head an bemoan the liberal hypocrite commenters on a snark site. You’re about as useful as tits on a hog.

I see, I have to be an office-holder, or runner, to comment on things.

Well, that sort of narrows it down, doesn’t it. :o)

As for the rest of your bullshit, I’m wondering just what Obama would have to do to make you bail on him?

I still think he hasn’t publicly used the word “gun” relative to any of the massacres that we’ve had in his 4 years.
I’d be delighted to be shown differently.

Understand, I’m not blaming him for them happening, but I sure as hell blame him for not talking directly and honestly about the problem.

I guess your mileage varies…a lot.

And the impurity trolls like you, Kelly, are just as happy as clams that Barack Obama can’t bring himself to say that we need much stronger gun regulation.

Which is about all I need to say about you kiss-ups.

Definite “old cave” smell.

With a hint of fromunda, and a soupçon of diaper, generally overwhelmed with a large dollop of fail.

No, Tbogg: spending the day having a “sad” about the day’s events is NOT effective for hopefully not having this happen again.

It’s a lame-ass cop-out.

And since you brought it up, and used that particular description, I now call your attention to the president of the United States DOING PRECISELY FUCKING THAT.

It’s like this; you’re right to be angry and scornful at Carlson and the rest of the assholes, but we need to have some of that anger from the guy in the Oval Office (he has a little more influence than you do…) and he needs to speak specifically about it, not as if the children were killed by some time-warp alien with a damn semi-automatic crossbow.

Cognitive dissonant much?

Naaah, Kelly, none of that, we’re just taking a reality dump in all you tinkerbelle’s Obama-chiffon-congeal.

Hey, how do YOU feel when Obama cries and sympathizes and won’t even speak the word “gun”?

Does that bother you at all?

Enquiring purity trolls want to know. :o)

tanbark, we get it. Obama will never ever ever ever have what it takes to make you happy. Nothing he will ever do, ever, will satisfy you. We Get It.

Your hiding behind “Liberalism” as the reason is disgusting tho…

No, Tan, it’s that you play the tired-ass role of jilted lover and it’s fucking tiresome. Just like the teabaggers and the Malkinites you construct these phantasms of what we think and why we think the way we do and then you pretend to have a deeper and more thoughtful take on national politics and it’s complete and utter bullshit.

You don’t know what Obama is thinking, planning or aiming for and I claim no inside knowledge either, I just don’t pretend that my blinkered and very narrow view of what he SHOULD do is some sort of motherfucking gospel and when it’s failed to be met it’s somehow important.

I’m sorry the president has disappointed you, really I am and I hope that one day you’ll be able to talk it out with your therapist and feel better about it, just stop with the pretense that you and you alone have answers and that those who find you tiresome and repetitive should really just learn better.

It’s TBogg, not the floor of the motherfucking Senate and you’re not changing a fucking thing and you damn sure aren’t teaching we unlucky few just how wrong we are, you’re just beating that same damn dead horse that Obama let you down — no one fucking cares.

I don’t need YOUR permission to do anything. Is that clear?

You are still an ignorant idiot. Besides, my reply was directed at TBogg. He does not need you, you pathetic sycophant, to reply for himself. Show some respect.

How old are you, anyway?

HAHAHAHA

Or we could always knock back a drink whenever someone on an FDL comment thread manages to blame something … anything on Obama.

We’d all be drunk drunk by 10AM.

Jesus. I wish the mods would put up a post with Obama’s name in the title so the disappointed kids would have a place to play…

Ah. Someone challenges your political position and you question their sanity. That’s an old trick perfected by Josef Stalin and poorly imitated by you.

Be ashamed. But you won’t be. Because you’re either too stupid or too ignorant. Take your pick.

Why don’t you try posting on Redstate? There you can meet your intellectual equals.

Fool.

New promotional photo for the NRA.

Hey, how do YOU feel when Obama cries and sympathizes and won’t even speak the word “gun”?

You’re as much an idiot as the right wing nuts who wring their hands and claim that he doesn’t use the word ‘terrorist.’

fuck off. No one needs the word police.

Obama’s unwillingness to lead on gun control is important. Please don’t make our disappointment with Obama’s unwillingness to fight on other issues and deliver results in the past the issue.

Fetish? There you go again. Someone disagrees with you, and you imply mental illness.

That’s an old Stalinist trick. But you don’t even know that, do you?

Another pathetic trust fund fool. You may go cry into your beer or smoke another joint, now. By Jesus, Buddha, and the Goddess, you O-bots are pathetic. Bluedot, as in insignificant speck of ink.

Indeed.

Been out for awhile, but I see I haven’t missed much. You are still trolling the thread with “I hate obamaisms.” Yeah I want him to step up. But, as I said before, you have to spread your hate around a little. Obama has talked about an assault rifle ban and better regs. But you seem to completely ignore the republicans at both national and local levels. They are the ones who are primarily holding up any real regulation. Shit, when Bob Costas decried the violence related to guns, Fox News jumped all over his ass. And Michigan, fully under the control of the republicans, passed a law relaxing the rules for the use of guns. I think you will find it is primarily on that side of the aisle where the push back of gun control comes from. Hell they even think Obama is going to take their guns away. So all you say is Obama this and Obama that. That is bullshit. It most certainly is not fair and balanced, to borrow a phrase. I would rather you just say you like guns than to play,this line of crap you are running here. Are you really trying to change anyone’s mind or just fucking around? I’m gonna go with fucking around, no purpose.

Fuck you on Stalinist trick. When you and others keep on with this fascist shit, what else would you call it than fetish?

That image makes the point pretty well. Unfortunately – and fwiw I’m not a lawyer, intellectual property-type or otherwise – I’m guessing the NRA logo is trademark or copyright protected, so they’d probably issue a take-down demand to hosting ISPs if that image ever became popular. Damn shame, because yours is the kind of image that needs to get wider distribution.

Happy to see I’m not,the only one using Stalinist tricks here., we know you are just fucking brilliant and so we are all not your equals. So go off and play where they appreciate,you.

Clear to me now who I’m dealing with. You people don’t care one whit for the victims. You can’t even wait for the bodies to get cold, or the parents to be notified. You have an agenda (JUST like the NRA whackos doing the same on the other side), and screw sensibilities or decent periods of grief, you’re gonna jump right on them. You people are no better than the Gun nuts. Shame.

Hey Dark?

Fuck you.

And a hearty fuck you to everybody here. Won’t make the mistake of stopping by TBoggs steaming outhouse again.

Lecturing a pastor who has had to console grieving next-of-kin of crime victims.
That’s impressive! Incredibly perverse, but impressive.

ETA: Oh, and fuck you… again.

Fuck you again on ” decent periods of grief”. Has it occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, we are all really upset by this and we want to stop the violence. How long shall we wait, one,day, two weeks. Yeah we have an agenda. It’s called stop the,gun violence.

And yet you keep coming back.

all possible healing for the families of the slain children.

peas!

You’re all over the map, coherency-wise. You’ve been drinking all day, haven’t you? Get some sleep and come back tomorrow.

Whose decent period of grief am I trampling on? The families? Do you think they’re going “I need to make funeral arrangements for my kid… but first I need to check out TBogg”?

Your grief? Was one of the kids yours?

Sitting around till you’re done wallowing in your despair, once removed I might add, is going to accomplish exactly what when we’re dealing with a plague of gun death.

I’m pissed off and I don’t have time for your symbolic period of mourning. Sorry.

Maybe it’s time for all of us sensible people to join the NRA and make a change in that organization.

Surveys of NRA members consistently show a majority supporting sensible gun control laws, such as closing the gun show loophole and requiring criminal background checks on all gun sales.

It’s the NRA leadership, which gets buckets of money from the gun and ammo manufacturers, who in turn spend tons of money to ensure none of that happens.

Funny how the trolls only crawl out around here to trash Obama and defend the NRA.

NRA loving Obama-haters. Now where have I seen that before…?

Yeah, everyone here is morally equivalent to the NRA. You can tell by what we want.

What do we want? No more dead children.

What do they want? To keep their guns.

Yeah, we’re all just the same.

Yeah, I have an agenda.

I’m a pastor, and I’ve done too many funerals where bullets figured prominently in the cause of death. You can call me lazy, but I’d rather not have so many funerals like that.

Don’t lecture me about how one “appropriately” grieves. I’ve worked with grieving families for over 25 years. I’ve sat with them in their homes, sung and lamented with them in their churches, and walked with them in cemeteries. I’ve grieved with them at the time of death, a week later, and years later. You can keep your sanctimonious “sensibilities and decent period of grief” to yourself.

There is nothing decent about these deaths, nor in refusing to talk about how the number of similar violent deaths might be minimized in the future.

Nothing decent at all.

I have no problem with having an anti-violence agenda, or an agenda that seeks to protect the most vulnerable in our society. I think my Boss might be pleased at that.

“You people don’t care one whit for the victims.”

I keep thinking about the last child to be murdered in that classroom, how he or she had to witness what was happening to her/is classmates, that that was the last thing that s/he saw in this life. I keep thinking about the randomness of these shootings-schools, malls, theaters, and how it could easily happen in my town, to my kids. I ask, who deserves that horror?

You come here and make assumptions about people you don’t know. You make unfounded accusations and feign anger at how you’re being treated on a blog. On the internet. Will you take that supposed outrage six months or a year from now, when legislation is hopefully making its way to the President and turn it into meaningful action? I sure hope so.

Otherwise, you richly deserve the “Fuck Yous” hurled your way.

I see, I have to be an office-holder, or runner, to comment on things.

Well, that sort of narrows it down, doesn’t it. :o)

As for the rest of your bullshit, I’m wondering just what Obama would have to do to make you bail on him?

I still think he hasn’t publicly used the word “gun” relative to any of the massacres that we’ve had in his 4 years.
I’d be delighted to be shown differently.

Understand, I’m not blaming him for them happening, but I sure as hell blame him for not talking directly and honestly about the problem.

I guess your mileage varies…a lot.

You understand there is nothing that Obama could do to make them bail on him right? To the weekend-progressive, latte-liberal, lesser-evil crowd it is always about team blue WINNING over team red. The details about team blue and team red don’t actually matter.

It’s about plugging their ears and screaming about “purity troll”, “sparkle pony”, and “perfect…enemy…good” until you go away.

You can’t really expect them to be reminded of their cowardice and culpability for the next 4 years…

didn’t take you very long to regurgitate the standard nra lying point.
god forbid we should discuss this while it is still fresh in our minds. we might actually DO something. and that would cut into the gunsellers’ profits.

Not a troll, but …. IMO, “Sensible people” don’t continue to pay dues to support an organizational leadership that ignores them. When the ABA began ignoring practitioner’s requests, I stopped supporting them financially. When my State Bar refused to provide an accounting of how they were spending the charitable portion of my dues, I stopped giving. I know how to shoot a gun, and believe in safe shooting and reasonable gun laws. But given their past performance, I can’t see any reason to donate to the NRA, because the leadership’s goals are almost entirely political.

I don’t see how getting Romney elected would have helped those kids, but then I’m not a narcissistic little purity troll. :)

Probably won’t be seen, but…

I agree. I haven’t paid membership dues to the NRA for close to 30 years, at least. I was just responding to the “sensible people should join the NRA and steer it” comment by pointing out that there are plenty of “sensible gun owners” in the NRA _now_, it’s just that the leadership apparently pays them no more mind than they would to a jackrabbit (as my grandmother used to say).