ASSHOLE!!!

Asshole asshole asshole!

Just keep fuckin that corndog, assrocket, you sociopath, goddam monster! Jesus these fuckers are SICK!

Not getting out of the boat for Assrockets dribblings. Had enough nihilism for one week, thanks.

Only change I’d make on the graphic above would be to add that Ms. Lanza was also the lawful owner of the weapons used. Gun owner killed by own weapon, which is then used in subsequent crimes. Very common tale.

Thanks for fighting the good fight against idiots on twitter.
I got into a shouting match with my gun nut daughter last night about this because of her 4 year old daughter, my only grandchild. I guess she didn’t like what I had to say.
This is madness.

All for the sake of guns and the second amendment, we should all live in an armed camp. You know because that will make us safer, just like in Israel and Afghanistan. Also too, shut up, shhhhh!

I’ve been barely functional since Friday. As some of you know, I’m a teacher myself. Like some of you, I know some people who know of people involved with Sandy Hook Elementary. I don’t know what the hell to say.

But I do know this: arming us (remember, teacher speaking) is not the answer. I work with colleagues who I would literally take a bullet for (along with my students) and there isn’t one that I would trust to walk around campus with a gun. Hell, I don’t trust myself with a gun. The idea of open or concealed weapons on campus is, quite literally insane. It is an open invitation to shootings accidental or otherwise.

I suppose I was fortunate that duckin under our school desk was the order of the day, my teacher was not decked out like Vic Morrow in Combat, with her M-1 propped against her desk and gunfights were all on Gunsmoke and only Black Hat got hurt.

Why stop at teachers? Let’s give all the tots semi-automatic weapons, so they can protect themselves the next time an insane guy who shouldn’t have had access to weapons opens fire in their classroom.

Dear, Mr. Assrocket,

Haven’t we learned that Semi-Automatic Assault Rifles Are Not Healthy For Children And Other Living Things? Contrary to the wet dreams of the members of the 101st Fighting Keyboarders and others of your ilk who infest the intertubes, these weapons are hardly the affirmations of MachoHeManManliness that you imagine them to be.

Also too, fuck you very much.

With UTMOST Sincerity,
Enfant

Oh god, I have the same wingnut relatives. “This would never happen if people carried concealed weapons”. Dumbshits.

4. Blame liberals for not turning kindergarten into an armed revival meeting because that’s what Jesus would want and that’s why we all send 6 year-olds to school.

Hate is too kind of an emotion I feel for these monsters. I wish I could believe in hell.

Not just Assrocket. Louie Gohmert (that idjit) thinks arming teachers would be a wonderful idea.
And apparently none of the senators who are so fond of ‘gun rights’ were willing to go on MTP this morning and face the music answer questions.

The Hinderaker’s need to ask themselves in what kind of society they want to live: one in which we all armed to the teeth and live in fear of our neighbors, our co-workers, our own children or one in which the threat of violence and death from guns is kept to its barest minimum?

It is telling, isn’t it, how the NRA’s mouthpieces won’t appear in public? They know that theirs is a losing argument, although that won’t stop them from raising it at an “appropriate” time when the victims have “had time to grieve.”

Rest in Peace, innocents, rest in peace.

These people have Rambo fantasies that they can no longer distinguish from reality. Everyone who makes this argument has this image in his head of coolly drawing his 9mm and putting two rounds clean through the gunman’s heart. In our reality, the first thing they teach to people who carry guns for a living is that this sort of competence in the face of mortal danger is not going to happen. My grandfather was an Army scout and a sheriff, and he parted company with the NRA over just this sort of nonsense. He’d been shot at; he knew.

We’ve conducted that experiment. During the expansion of the western frontier most households contained firearms and many citizens carried loaded weapons. We called it the wild west.

To combat the rise of accidental and intentional shootings several jurisdictions banned the carrying of arms in town. Clint Eastwood took flack from gun nuts for depicting this in his film Unforgiven but his portrayal was historically accurate. Yes, there’s a reason why civilized towns in the old west had strict gun control laws and why society as a whole moved away from an armed citizenry.

Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, responded to the tragedy saying, “Gun control supporters have the blood of little children on their hands. Federal and state laws combined to insure that no teacher, no administrator, no adult had a gun at the Newtown school where the children were murdered. This tragedy underscores the urgency of getting rid of gun bans in school zones. The only thing accomplished by gun free zones is to insure that mass murderers can slay more before they are finally confronted by someone with a gun.”

I was noticing the tag for this, and it brings to mind a line in ‘Narcotics Anonymous’ Basic Text- ‘One way or another we went out and bought our destruction on the time payment plan!…we seek our destruction a bag at a time, a few pills at a time, or a bottle at a time until we die. This is at least part of the insanity of addiction….Insanity is repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results.’

At least, stopping the use of the chemicals that are killing us and seeking a path to avoid conntinuance of the madness is what is offered by recovery from addiction. This obsession with, and compulsion to possess (and use) firearms parallels drug addiction- and the results are the same- jails, institutions and death!

I’ve told my gun-nut, 2nd Amendment hard-core defenders that unless they can honestly admit that they are willing to accept the regular, on-going tragedies that occur as a result of our ineffective, inadequate and inane firearms laws- and that they believe that this view should be forced on everyone else, they are part of the problem. I get derided, but, they have to live with the fact that they hold those opinions. The internal conflict is theirs to deal with. I am no longer a gun owner, I haven’t been for over thirty years- I was an NRA member, avid collector and competitive shooter and hunter, and saw the real insanity of the ‘gun nuts’ as counterproductive to firearm ownership rights. The misery we reap today is the result of those attitudes, and the application of them in our legal system to ‘insure gun rights’.

I believe a system of firearms licensure, similar to a DOT driving certification process would sort out a lot of the nonsense and miscreants. Anyone could apply, and if they exhibit the ability to comprehend and accept the responsibilities of gun ownership- liabilities and benefits alike, then perhaps some sanity and sense would change things. Unlike a driver’s license, it would be a right, but unlike a driving permit, it would demand rigorous adherence to the restrictions and requirements of such permits. Periodic reviews could cull out the mentally deteriorating, and irresponsible permit holders, in a manner more involved than a simple driver’s license renewal. It is time that the responsibility to own and the right to bear arms are made mutually necessary. At least, it’s a step in a direction much different that the path we’ve been on for far too long.

I agree with you about Unforgiven, but I have a very specific memory of seeing that at a movie theater with a friend.* While Clint was up there on the screen blowing away the bad guys, some guy behind us was quietly but enthusiastically muttering ‘kill him …kill him’. That happened at least a couple times, and was VERY creepy. I’ll wager he was a gun fetishist.

In any event, I don’t think he took the same lesson from that movie that you and I did. And I think that’s the huge problem we’re going to have in getting any serious firearms legislation approved – there are a LOT of those folks out there, and they look at the same thing we do, but draw a completely different and (IMO) insane conclusion.

[*My friend had told me that Pulp Fiction made her nauseous, so I should have known better than taking her to this movie, despite the favorable reviews, which also noted the graphic violence.]

That advertisement detailing the beauties of the Bushmaster rifle has been scrubbed from the Daily Caller website.
It was a bit too enlightening to read the information on how easy it was to kill varmints and other little creatures with it.
I worked on gun control after the deaths of JFK and Bobby Kennedy, and after the attack on Reagaon…these people have no shame. They are like energizer robots, plodding on, muttering about the second amendment and gun freedom and freedom to kill–oops, they don’t lose control that much very often.

In a civilised society, there is no justification for the individual ownership of hand guns.

The gun lobby and gun fetishists have to be made personas non grata to news establishments so that they get no forum to spew their garbage. I hear that no gun apologists made it to the Sunday talk shows today. Might they have shame? I doubt it. But our media must learn that there will be consequences for their hosting them and their ‘views’. That the NRA is as welcome as the tobacco lobby. Do you think any Network would have a back-and-forth with the CEO of major tobacco company about the positive aspects of smoking? No. And they were just as big as the NRA at one time. It’s time for a concerted advertising push…bodies piled up in the street a la anti-smoking ads….pushing back. We have to shame these people. Make them look like wimps and pussies for loving their guns. No more intimidation. They’re essentially 7th grade bullies. Time to punch them in the nose.

that’s just it, they already live in a world in which they’re afraid of everybody. The thing is, they think that they have a realistic view of reality and not a twisted one.

“…and tiny caskets….”

I hear Wal-Mart is entering the casket business. One family’s tragedy is another family’s business opportunity. No wonder the Waltons have built a secret fortified bunker to hide in, should the need arise before the end times come.

I believe a system of firearms licensure, similar to a DOT driving certification process would sort out a lot of the nonsense and miscreants.

I’ve been thinking something along those lines also. Gun owners should be required to bring all registered non-hunting weapons in yearly to a) prove they have those weapons in their possession*, b) prove they know how to safely use those weapons and c) prove they are nut fucking nuts.

*If a weapon is unaccounted for (and not reported missing, at which point they should lose ownership privileges and be fined) and used in a crime then they should be charged with the crime.

At the very least the dress code should be full body armor…

Yes, and gun control is responsile for 9/11. If responsible citizens were allowed to carry man-portable SAMs, they could have shot down the planes before they hit the Twin Towers.

Makes as much sense as this.

Oops…

And the fines could go toward defraying the national debt–so maybe we won’t have to raise taxes on people who actually OBEY the laws.

Wonder how Momma Bushmaster Griz will justify this slaughter…

And I would levy a stiff tax on guns, ammunition and licenses and require them to purchase liability insurance. We tax cigarettes and gasoline after all.

Absolute fucking madness.

I would be willing to watch these shitbags continue their policy of sticking their fingers in their ears and going “LALALALALALALALA”, if by fingers you mean C-4, and by going “LALALALA” you mean squeezing the clacker a bunch of times.

From watching the typical Republican/Conservative/Teabagger political voter/sycophant/paid operaative over the past 40 years, I’m amazed at the amount of limitless energy needed to apologize/defend the consequences of their current political philosophy. Nixon, W.,Cheney, Rice, Brown,Palin, McCain, Romney…they all have glaring deficiencies that are obvious to sane people, but Teapublicans – not so much. They are clueless and without any real moral foundation. Really, do they want to stand against the idea of reformable gun policy, given the accelerating problems with a gun fetish culture?

We could have a voluntary turn-in-your-assault-weapon program – but turn it into a good thing; make it a contest as to which badd-ass gang can round up and turn in the most weapons, with buy-back money going to a charity of their choice. Have mariachi, bagpipe, anything, make it a carnival.

Thanks for bringing her up in this conversation. Come to think of it, she usually shoots her mouth off about everything. Today….silence.

The NRA’s paymasters are fapping themselves silly over the idea of selling little kevlar undershirts, because kids will grow out of them every year. Back To School Special: pencils, paper, body armour.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/how-the-nra-communications-twitter-handles-a-mass

Shaming the tobacco industry was a two-pronged movement – depicting the product as deadly and casting the execs as predators. With the gun lobby, the first is easy but the second is tricky. They’ve done a good job of muddying the waters with their “responsible gun owner” talk. The clearest sign is the availability of semi-automatic rifles that have no legitimate non-homicidal use. The gun lobby has 20 years of arguments on behalf of assault weapons, but most of it was based upon the scarcity of crimes committed with rifles. Making that argument now is going to be downright sociopathic – not that someone won’t try it anyway.

Really, do they want to stand against the idea of reformable gun policy, given the accelerating problems with a gun fetish culture?

The Newtown massacre hit pretty close to home for me, but, I’d like to toss out an informal poll to see if it’s just me, or the average American, that has this shit happen nearby or nearby to where you’ve lived.

1) I went to HS 30 minutes from Newtown, CT (27 + 1 dead), our school played sports against their township and I went to school with relatives of these victims
2) I lived in Gabby Gifford’s district for years and worked about 5 minutes from where that shooting scene was/still have relatives there (6 dead, 13 wounded)
3) Born less than an hour away from Blacksburg, Virginia (home of Virginia Tech)(32 dead, 17 wounded)
4) Went to college outside Denver and have many relatives in Aurora, Colorado (12 dead, 58 wounded)
5) Lived 20 minutes away when Kip Kinkel’s murder spree’d (4 dead, 24 wounded)
6) Clackamas, OR mall shooting last week (2 dead) is about 70 minutes away.
7) I’m sure there’s more…

83 dead. At least 112 wounded. I hear the news and look at the pictures and go ‘yeah, that looks familiar. those Newtown people look just like my friends’ families’.

As someone who was attacked and came within a trigger pull of being murdered in Tucson by a fucking psycho with his 9mm handgun stuck in my mouth, I’d like to know what the fuck is going on. Is this the average American’s experience? If so, holy fucking shit…

Pratt must love his paycheck more than his children.

You know I’ve been writing on this issue for a long time, and one of the things that strikes me is just how jaded the “experts” are on what will happen after a tragedy. I’m also often annoyed at how often people who want change will throw up their hands at the “power” of the NRA.

It’s as if they are a force that can have no opposing force. AS Saintmars mentioned people did make changes after some Gun Tragedies. Ronald Reagan’s shooting lead to the Brady Campaign. What would St. Ronny say today about guns, would he support his buddy Brady or not?

The way the gun lobby works is that in works in the background doing the ground work for guns everywhere. And when these kind of events happen they know they can count on people like your a gun nut brother in law to call their congress person or state law maker and complain.

Where are the public safety enthusiasts? The people who will call up people at the state level to get laws pasts that will protect people from future tragedies? Will they help stick by the congress people during the long boring meetings to write laws. People who will say, “Hey I’m going to make sure you get contributions for your support of public safety laws.”

This can extend to making sure people who have violent mental problem get help and get added to the list to not get legal weapons. (This answers the whole, “Crazy people could kill with a knife or a car are you going to ban cars!?)

I actually talked to some teachers about this exact topic and I talked to a fairly rational person here at FDL.

What would the class room look like with Armed teachers?
Who would pay for the guns?
Where would they be kept? In a holster, in a locked box?
Who would pay for training?
What kind of insurance would the school district need to take on now that they have armed teachers who might make a mistake?

We often focus on the one school in thousands that has an incident after decades of no problems. Say that we arm all teachers in the thousands of schools we have now, How does that change the “learning atmospher” during the years of of no incidents?

apparently they like the idea of their kids growing up in an armed camp environment.

BTW I’ve talked to Larry Pratt. Nice guy. Sounds very reasonable on the phone.

There are various reasons that the people at these organizations do NOT speak after a event like this. That is the smart thing to do. What gets me is that the media LET THEM. They don’t hang out at their building demanding a statement right after a tragedy. Instead the media go after the survivors in the class rooms.
I suggested to some of my friends in the public safety movement when talking to the press to ask, “So the NRA isn’t talking, could you please call someone else to talk, because that’s pretty convenient that they don’t have to say anything. Why not call some 2nd tier spokesperson?”

The reason for this tactic is that I WANT the 2nd tier or 3rd tier spokespeople in front of the world standing up for their guns. In fact I’d like to have them explain these views to the parents of the dead kids.
Live on camera.
Why not? It would make great TV.

What kind of insurance would the school district NRA/gun manufacturers need to take on now that they have armed teachers who might make a mistake?

According to the CDC, 11,493 of the 16,799 homicides in this country in 2009 were firearm deaths. The actual CDC data are here:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr6

How many teachers have a mental illness lurking beneath a facade of sanity? What is the ratio of healthy to mentally ill people? So, if you put guns in teachers’ hands, how many might snap and kill children? 1%? .5% How many dead children would that make?

Walmart sells the Bushmaster used in the killings: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Bushmaster-M4A3-.223-REM-16-Patrol-Carbine/19235996

You could ask them a question about the gun on that website. I may have asked some question or other.

About the same as the percentage for everyone else, I’d think.
The problem seems to be mothly males in their late teens and early 20s, who are already having problems of one or another kind and need more help, or at least a different kind than they may already be getting.

(Having a parent who is a collapse-of-civilization type doesn’t help at all.)

I honestly believe these wingers think they are Chow Yun Fat’s character in Hard Boiled. They are slidin’ down the bannister with a pistol in each hand dealing death to the baddies. It’s a fabulous scene and because of it, I agree, arming teachers is the obvious solution.

One well-trained citizen can stop a massacre. And what if every thug belonging to the teachers’ union was well-trained? From my understanding of the timeline the teachers knew something was up since the principal and school psychologist were the first to be murdered at the school. Therefore our armed teachers hearing the gunfire would have instinctively pulled their pieces and used their magic Hong Kong skills to stop an intruder wearing body armor. I’ll grant it’s possible, but these armed citizens (as the NRA dubs them) would have had to have some Chow Yun Fat skills to knock down Adam Lanza before being shot dead.

Well, then, it’s obvious. Equip our teachers with body armor, helmets, trauma plates, throat protectors, etc. Then they can stop intruders. All those In Service trainings (boring), the yearly teachers’ Conventions (useless), the required continuing education credits (why bother?). NO. Time and and money wasted. What we need is weapons training and subsidized body armor for all teachers. Then and only then will our children be safe.

Where o where is the Instapundit of old, with his prescient futuristic visions of ROBOTS in our hour of need?

Obviously the True Libertarian answer is to immediately begin an urgent Manhattan Project-scale national effort to arm every American kindergartener with tiny personal defense drones to provide air cover with eensy weensy Hellfire missiles while they smack talk each other in Angry Birds voices. Only thus can we safely preserve our desperate infantile need to clutch our precious precious baby-killing substitute-penis assault weaponry closely.

First, the vast majority of teachers would not pack a gun or accede to having one readily available. They’d sue the school district for having a requirement like that. And if the teacher didn’t sue, parents would. That we are even having this discussion shows the level of insanity in this country. There must be negative consequences for politicians and the media for giving space, time or a platform to anyone who defends owning automatic weapons. I’m sure there are plenty of ex-military who would be glad to make PSAs against owning these weapons of mass destruction. Make these phony patriots look like the fools they are. A Vote Vets type group. We have to fight the keyboard soldiers with real ones in order to out-macho these jerks.

“I believe a system of firearms licensure, similar to a DOT driving certification process would sort out a lot of the nonsense and miscreants.”

Oh, you mean the WELL REGULATED part of the 2nd Amendment!

Remember when ignorant cowards were shunned? Now they have a political party, and people like John Hinderaker arrogantly leading by example.

The entire premise of Conservatives ‘defense’ of the 2nd Amendment is Ignorance and Cowardice.

Stupid Chickenshit thy name is Republican…

Yes, implied, but not stated directly. It doesn’t seem that the ‘Holy Order of the Redneck Urban Militia & Freedom Fighters’ is a really good example of a ‘well-regulated militia’. At least, it has not been demonstrated as such, thus far.

I went to the link you gave and got a “resource not available” reply. I then went to the index link they give and there was no entry for firearms. I then did a search and the best I could find was http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr59/nvsr59_04_tables.pdf
where firearms info is buried under a truckload of data.

I seem to remember something about congress ordering the CDC not to carry firearms data any longer, but I am not young and that may be a quirk of faulty memory.
Mancini wants to bring in the NRA on this. Which means the NRA wants to mold their own bill…

well, if Reagan had been president in the 50s/60s, your teacher would have had her own ICBM nuke and red button to defend you…

Conservatives in the NH legislature made a point to carry guns into the legislative meetings and sessions, with many dropping their guns or misplacing them, and secretly abandoning carrying them – don’t tell anyone I’m not carrying anymore, I want them to think I am, but it was just too much hassle and too uncomfortable to always carry a weapon.