
Gabby Giffords and her husband are taking the lead in calling for more gun laws and that has our favorite twitchy with a finger constructing a separate reality (no links because we are not an enabler) much like this one:
Yup. I have a streamlight TLR-2s with a disorienting strobe at like 200 lumens and a laser, and I have a Trijicon amber dot site, to go with 45 APC rounds. Provided I’m not hit before I know what’s happening, I guarantee he’d have felt what it’s like to be shot — likely 12-15 times, depending on which firearm I had with me.
…but a bit less boner-inducing:
“Giffords and Kelly Launch Their Own Anti-Gun Lobby” – ironic, given that it was private citizens who jumped in and prevented Jared Loughner from reloading, then subdued him. And who knows, maybe had he been hit by a concealed .40 JHP rather than a folding chair, the carnage would have been even less severe.
But even though private citizens likely saved her life, Giffords believes now is the time to turn many of them into potential felons.
No good deed goes unpunished, I guess.
Let’s roll the tape, Johnny:
Zamudio was in a nearby drug store when the shooting began, and he was armed. He ran to the scene and helped subdue the killer. Television interviewers are celebrating his courage, and pro-gun blogs are touting his equipment. “Bystander Says Carrying Gun Prompted Him to Help,” says the headline in the Wall Street Journal.
But before we embrace Zamudio’s brave intervention as proof of the value of being armed, let’s hear the whole story. “I came out of that store, I clicked the safety off, and I was ready,” he explained on Fox and Friends. “I had my hand on my gun. I had it in my jacket pocket here. And I came around the corner like this.” Zamudio demonstrated how his shooting hand was wrapped around the weapon, poised to draw and fire. As he rounded the corner, he saw a man holding a gun. “And that’s who I at first thought was the shooter,” Zamudio recalled. “I told him to ‘Drop it, drop it!’ ”
But the man with the gun wasn’t the shooter. He had wrested the gun away from the shooter. “Had you shot that guy, it would have been a big, fat mess,” the interviewer pointed out.
Zamudio agreed:
I was very lucky. Honestly, it was a matter of seconds. Two, maybe three seconds between when I came through the doorway and when I was laying on top of [the real shooter], holding him down. So, I mean, in that short amount of time I made a lot of really big decisions really fast. … I was really lucky.
[...]
The Arizona Daily Star, based on its interview with Zamudio, adds two details to the story. First, upon seeing the man with the gun, Zamudio “grabbed his arm and shoved him into a wall” before realizing he wasn’t the shooter. And second, one reason why Zamudio didn’t pull out his own weapon was that “he didn’t want to be confused as a second gunman.”
This is a much more dangerous picture than has generally been reported. Zamudio had released his safety and was poised to fire when he saw what he thought was the killer still holding his weapon. Zamudio had a split second to decide whether to shoot. He was sufficiently convinced of the killer’s identity to shove the man into a wall. But Zamudio didn’t use his gun. That’s how close he came to killing an innocent man. He was, as he acknowledges, “very lucky.”
I imagine the perpetually anxious and high-strung Godlestein’s little fantasy would have played out a bit more like this:
…but with him shouting ‘Outlaw!” as he went out in a haze of testosterone and a blaze of glory.




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So, if I understand the timeline here, the killer was already disarmed before our heavily armed local hero shows up, ready to shoot it out with…someone.
Seriously, gun folks, we could clear this whole thing up in no time. Just publish a list of the documented cases in, say, the last 25 years where a legally armed civilian stopped or prevented a violent crime.
‘Cause so far I just see you guys making shit up…
All jacked up on their own badass fantasies of being the second-coming hybrid child of Audie Murphy and The Lone Ranger, but none of them joins law enforcement or volunteers to walk a beat in Kabul with the Marines.
Twats.
Whereupon Gretchen Carlson experienced multiple orgasms before fainting dead away, even as the long-repressed desire between Doocy and Kilmeade could no longer be contained.
Hoverounds crashing all over the country. Cut to commercial.
Good times…
Speaking of Mr. TLR-2s, I wonder if he has weighed in yet on the batshit insanity that was Alex Jones on Piers Morgan’s show last night. On the one hand, rabid gun nut defending his right to own semi-autos with 50-round clips THAT ARE NOT ASSAULT WEAPONS THANK YOU VERY MUCH LIBTARDS. On the other hand, unhinged ranter blaming mass shootings on some of the very same SSRI-reuptake-inhibiting “murder pills” that Mr. TLR-2s himself has very publicly admitted to taking. If we’re lucky, the cognitive dissonance will cause an incapacitating stroke and we’ll never have to hear from him again.
Couldn’t the Ole Perfesser be put to better, uh, “use” wanking out jeremiads aimed at gun-nut fetishist fap-pr0n?? Seriously!
P.S. Goldurn, TBogg, now you’ve gone ‘n ruint one of my fave songs. Where’s the rewind button on this thingamadoodle??
From Giffords’ statement at your link
So I guess the wingnuts are concerned “Giffords believes now is the time to turn (private citizens with concealed folding chairs) into potential felons”?
My cousin Gaylor is a big gun owner (as are pretty much all my cousins in Tennessee). One night someone broke into his house. He pushed the family into the back of the house, grabbed his gun and went out to confront the intruder.
He said it was the stupidest thing he ever did in his life. He got the guy down on the floor and held a gun on him, but suddenly it occurred to him that the guy might not be alone, and that an accomplice could show up at any minute before the cops arrived. And at that point, Gaylor would have to shoot the guy lying on the floor.
Which he firmly believed at that moment he could not do. It had never occurred to him him he would feel that way.
When I read the story of big Mr. Pistol Packin’ Poppa on Fox News, I imagined the same thing might have happened to him, although unlike Gaylor he probably wouldn’t want to admit it.
If Gaylor didn’t think he could shoot an intruder in his own home, with his family there, I have deep reservations that any of these ersatz Dirty Harry’s could do so just because they’ve seen it happen on TV.
What a wonderful nation we have! Ms. Giffords calls for more responsible gun ownership, and the gun nuts call for a ‘Gun Appreciation Day’ on January 19th. A homeowner in Colorado Springs (right next to, but not in, Galt’s Gulch) shot 2 of the 3 home invaders (wounded them, didn’t kill ‘em- what’s the score now- innocents versus alleged/guilty/non-white) and some tenured associate professor at FAU clains that the Newtown shootings were a botched training excersize that has been covered up and used to further Obama the Happy PissedOff Hawaiian’s secret agenda of gun and mind control. The prof also doubts the Kennedy shooting, the Oklahoma City bombing, 911 (of course!), the Aurora, CO theater shootings and the moon landing.
So I learned that associate professors can be tenured. Everything else is just background noise.
He could, but the subject of this piece is J**f G*ldst**n, suburban survivalist.
Yeah, the Alex Jones’ of the world are a model for the even-keeled, stable type of person I want gun owners in my neighborhood to be. And they wonder why they’re called gun nuts.
In the meantime, Steve Winwood makes us happy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT4-iBuDw0Q
You can tell that none of these gun fantasists has ever seen actual violence. When all you know is what you’ve seen on TV and in the movies, it’s really easy to imagine yourself a combination of John Wayne and Rambo. Especially when the theatrical bad guys always have terrible aim and die instantly from flesh wounds.
Real life is a very different story, and I’d say it’s probable that Godlstein and the rest of them would end up killing or wounding lots of innocent bystanders before being brought down themselves by responding law enforcement who can’t tell he’s not the bad guy.
Yes, thanks; appreciate your helpful help even though I can & do read & have good comprehension skills.
The Ole Perfesser was the subject of the prior post about teh eeevuls of wanking, aka being teh gheyz. Figured there is a tie-in with gun pr0n fapping that’s going on here….
You found another picture of Russell Brand’s bald, fat brother. He’s awesome.
A Safeway in Arizona
I’m pretty sure that the Zamudio testimony is the only thing that accurately reflects the reality of concealed carry by non-insane people. Mr. Zamudio is not representative, unfortunately.
PS – In Tucson, the magazine jammed. That was it. That was the only reason that another thirty people in the Safeway weren’t murdered. Technology fail.
Your cousin Gaylor is not unusual at all. This happens to soldiers in combat all the time, including soldiers quite experienced in combat. It is, generally, very hard for human beings to overcome their aversion to harming other human beings. Military training and procedures take this into account — along with the fact that even very well trained people can use very poor judgment in highly stressful situations.
Could someone translate that from MMORPG-speak for me?
He has a really, really tiny penis.
TLR-2s = flashlight
Trijicon = scope
So, as far as I can tell he’d have fer-sure, in a school at throwing chalkboard eraser ranges, have used his scope to acquire a target that he was shining his flashlight at in broad daylight, and put more than a dozen rounds on target.
And I’m the Czar of all the Russias. I am.
Really
FTW. Where would you like all the internets you’ve won delivered?
I like Gifford’s approach with “calls for more responsible gun ownership”. A very nice strategy to consistently paint the extended-clippers as mindless supporters of irresponsible gun ownership, putting and end to their delusional claim to be somehow upholding the 2nd Amendment with their scopes and flashlights and shit.
so, just how many guns do you have to have to keep you from being killed?
Your reply is full of win.
Yes, and that picture seems to confirm this. Myself, I think he’s actually advertising for a good dominatrix. I’d chip in, especially if she’s packing.
Fell off my chair. Poifect.
Awesome indeed. He’s got to be better than Russell Brand.
We have to remember that these yokels live most of their lives in a fantasyland in which all the bad guys wear either black hats or primary-colored spandex costumes, or are obscene racial/sexual stereotypes.
Then they turn the corner one day and come face-to-face with a “shooter” who is just another cracker doofus with a crazy look in his eyes and a gun, and it’s like looking into a mirror and the world comes crashing down and OH MY GOD WHAT DO I DO NOW
It’s why they masturbate so furiously over the murder of Treyvon Martin, endlessly screaming that he “must be guilty of sumpin’;” it just better fits the script the act out in their skulls every day.
FYI, I am a complete pacifist; no guns, no hunting, no nothing. Never been a problem.
HOWEVER, if I DID decide to own a gun, it’d be something to put this idiot’s penis extention to shame: The Metal Storm pistol. Fires a burst of three rounds about two feet apart:
Geek Out!
Uh, link fail. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqW5bG2M3x4
Greeting from Hollywood.
The biggest irony of course, Jane, is that the right despises “Hollywood,” and yet the film industry is the sole source of fantasies about a single man, with nothing more than an impressive armory and guts and determination, able to bring down a number of daunting evildoers. He’s a cop that plays by his own rules [yawn], and no innnocent person is ever hurt, it never backfires on him, and it’s only in tinseltown that it doesn’t.
In the latest perpetually twisting turn, popular entertainment is being given the blame for the violence at Sandy Hook.
Think we oughta tell Clint Eastwood?
Pete from CA gives the ol’ Streamlight TLR-2s with Strobe a 5/5 rating and this unsolicited recommendation:
“Streamlight TLR-2 Weapon mountable tactical light with laser. If you are reading this, you already know this is the best light for the money out there. Yes, Streamlights are expensive but you’re getting what you pay for. You also know that Streamlight’s customer service is over the top and their products are guaranteed for life (limited). You bought the exact gun you wanted, now buy the exact light you need. Because when you need it, you need it to work 100% correctly the first time and every time! Don’t jeopardize you or, your family’s life with a cheap, Chinese knock-off of this American designed and made tactical light.”
Alex Jones is stunningly certifiable, and his appearance on Piers Morgan’s show served to cement that, I think, so a good thing in the aggregate. There are those that say igonore them, but, in this case at least, I appreciated seeing this particular cockroach scuttling out from under the baseboard into the light.
Robin of Berkeley– anyone remember her?– wrote to me on the value of Alex Jones in early 2011:
Do you know Alex Jones’ work? He’s controversial, and I don’t agree with everything he says. But he detests both the left and the right. He despised Bush. Jones feels that we are all dupes, puppets on a string, fighting with each other in a way that totally distracts from the big picture. The big picture is the mega money at play here, the Federal Reserve, the globalists and the international bankers — more money and a blood-thirsty power grab more than our wildest imagination– or nightmares. It distresses me that we are all playing right into their hands by expending energy fighting with each other. If you are open to it, watch one of his movies on You Tube.
No, thanks.
By way of reminder, Robin used to call herself a licensed psychotherapist, and what she’s doing here is saying ignore the parts where he’s obviously insane that she disagrees with idealogically and instead pay more attention to the wild-eyed claims she’s inclined to agree with, which may be why Robin doesn’t claim to be a licensed psychotherepist any more.
I’m with you. I’ll follow, strewing rose petals like in the Mr. Peabody parade.
A little off-topic: my favorite story about the movie star. Friend was in some little town in Spain, some years back, where the single cinema marquee read “Cunt Eastwood.” He went to the manager and pointed out the misspelling and the fact of it being a bad word in English; the manager agreed to change the marquee that very day. And he did — to “Clit Eastwood.”
Streamlight TLR-2 Weapon mountable tactical light with laser. If you are reading this, you already know this is the best light for the money out there. Yes, Streamlights are expensive but you’re getting what you pay for.
A small flashlight with frickin lasers on it.
You bought the exact gun you wanted, now buy the exact light you need. Because when you need it, you need it to work 100% correctly the first time and every time!
You said fuck it when it came time to paying the Electricity Bill. You said fuck no when it came time to pay for Heating.
Let ‘em repo your wife’s car and those brats can find their own fucking food! You need this flashlight! NOW!! It’s not called a “Tactical Light” for nothing buddy!
But lest we forget, that tiny penis is magically transformed into a mighty rod by the inclusion of a scriptural reference.
Trijicon
And Streamlight is the light of the Sweet Baby Jeebus
Heros, Oregon-style! I blame The Hobbit.
Saw that picture and the first thing that flashed through my mind were the cartoons from the ’50s. You know, the ones with a Neanderthal, club over this shoulder, dragging a woman by her hair back to his cave.
Far as I can tell, that’s pretty much the mindset here. As a female, everything about that pic just screams lethal levels of looney.
Alternate post title (Traffic edition)
The Low Spark of Erectile Need Boys
Here via Twitter. It depresses me that a column I might otherwise agree with is using that picture with no understanding of it’s history. Your gun fantasy poster child is actually a gun control advocate. The photos were taken as a private joke that made their way to the Internet & became a decade plus meme. He used to do interviews & respond on message boards defending himself and explaining the context but it never, ever stops.
I hope he doesn’t end up seeing this latest Poster Child For Gun Nuts example of a private life going viral. Dude may not be Ridiculously Photogenic Guy but he’s not a crazy lethal gun freak either. Those words are not his and I hope no casual reader assumes they are.
The thing that bothers me about the Giffords is that she had to be shot before they saw the sense in some gun registration, they were big gun rights people before this. It shouldn’t take someone in your own family getting shot to see that we’re going off a cliff on this shit, but if you wait another twenty years with the right-wing nutbags, everyone will probably have someone in their own family shot, even if it is self-inflicted. Then these douchebags with notches out of there eyebrows and ears are going to say, “It didn’t count! I shot myself!”
Thanks for that information. I thought I remembered reading that his photos were some kind of performance art, but I never knew that other stuff about him, or even where (or if) he posted anything online other than those photos.
It’s too bad there was never any explanation or disclaimer accompanying his photos, which went viral long, long ago – I think I first saw them at the long-defunct site for The Poor Man.
It’s a bit reminiscent of that photo of the guy holding a very angry-looking cat, with both wearing aluminum foil “hats”. Apparently a great many people grabbed that photo and used it without attribution, then others took from the first takers, until one day, the guy who actually uploaded the original photo was getting complaints that he stole “their” photo.
It’s a good argument in favor of labeling one’s work, e.g., by imbedding at least a reference URL in the photo itself, where people can go to learn more, and where (most) misunderstandings can be headed off from the get-go.
I’d rather not blame the victims of these memes by talking about how they might have protected themselves, I’d rather people considered that they are using a photo of an actual person and ask themselves if they know enough about that person to do so. Take it as proof that any photo you ever take can be put in the wrong hands, I suppose.
He’s a funny guy who likes guns and gun control and has bigger things to deal with than trying to stop the (now) unstoppable. I reacted from the photo being next to words he’d never say and the judgements in the comments. (I don’t think he’d argue with the Russell Brand bit). Hope this doesn’t post repeatedly, I’m getting a database error response.
I don’t even know how to describe the fundamental errors in this post.
Fuck that shit, I wants me one o’ them Weiner Dog Lasers!
Jesus, this stuff reads like those ridiculous high-end accessory ads for easily bamboozled audiophiles, and I’m looking at you, Monster Cable.
But the top of the pops has gotta be these clowns, who sell a common AC receptacle as “audio grade” for $150. Cryogenically treated!
See also Amazon reviews for the Wattgate 381 Audio Grade AC Receptacle, which are every bit as funny as you might expect.
Not “ridiculously photogenic”? Depends on what floats ones boat. I’ve always preferred ‘bearishly rugged’ to ‘twinky sleek’ myself.